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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Betty Boo on Wednesday 21 June 06 17:28 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I am trying to find my family relatives from Dundee. Does anyone have the names Dye, Ferguson, Carney or Sullivan in their family tree?.
Elizabeth1
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Hi Elizabeth
The name Carney is in my family, though it changes each time it re-appears in a census. Variations include: Cairnie (my mother's maiden name) Kearney, and Karney. My mother attended St John's Lawside but I don't know which (Catholic) primary school. Finlay Cairnie, my grandfather, has the surname Kearney on his birth cert. He was one of 6 sons, Charles, John, Patrick, Stephen and Hugh. I've traced 4 generations of Carnie/Carney etc who lived and died in Dundee. James Kearney c 1790, we think came over from Tyrone.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for your reply, my grandmothers name was Carney but as you say sometime Carnie and various other spellings of the name.
This is the marriage of my gran and grandfather in Dundee in 1903, I havent got back far when I found they all came from Ireland. I don't know if they are connected in anyway with your family or not, maybe you can let my know.
Elizabeth
27 July 1903 - St Andrews the Cathedral - Dundee
Groom: Thomas Ferguson - Jute Batcher - bachelor
Bride: Mary Carney - Jute Spinner - spinster
Both from Smalls Lane,Dundee
Grooms father: John Ferguson - Jute Mill Mechanic (deceased)
Grooms mother: Elizabeth (nee. Solomon) (deceased)
Brides father: John Carney - hairdresser
Brides mother: Mary (nee Kennedy)
Witnesses: John Ferguson & Mary Carnie?
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hi wonder if my margaret ferguson could be one of your fergusons - she lived in brechin augus - she was a cousin of my mum's side of the tree
seemingly they were the johnstones Thomas Johnstone and his wife elizabeth cullen their children - one married a ferguson - somewhere down the line or a caird - if this makes sense to you would love to hear from you - regards bambie
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Hello Bambie,
I don't know if my grandfather is any relative of your Ferguson's, they lived in Dundee.
All I know is in the 1881 census the Ferguson's lived at 147 Scouringburn Dundee.
There was:-
John Ferguson aged 44 who came from Ireland
Elizabeth Ferguson aged 36 who also came from Ireland (Maiden name Soloman)
Catherine Ferguson daugter aged 8
John Ferguson son aged 11 months
Marsella Ferguson daughter aged 6 (The name Marsella is Mueella on census)
Thomas Ferguson aged 11 months
I don't know if this helps any.
Elizabeth
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thanks for your reply elizabeth - gosh I do not know - for when my mum died I got her book of notes and addresses
wrote to everyone (some I did not know and this ferguson was one of them) - anyway she was in her 80 and wrote back to me - and I found out she was a cousin of my mum - then tried to get info of her - know that they were the family of Johnston's in dundee and one of the daughters married a cairn (or something) whom married a ferguson - but poor thing must have died - as I never heard from her again - so sorry wish I could trace them but after 1901 very hard - kind regards bambie
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Hi Bambie,
Just thought I would let you know the two children aged 11 months in the 1881 census above John Ferguson and Thomas Ferguson died within a year to a year and a half after birth. My grandfather also called Thomas Ferguson was born later in 1881 after the death of the twins.
This Thomas Ferguson married Mary Carney on 27th July 1903 in Dundee.
Her parents were called John Carney and Mary nee Kennedy.
I don't know if any of this will relate to your Carnie-Caney family!!
Elizabeth
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Hi again Bambie,
I forgot to ask in my last message is your monthers maiden name Ferguson or was this her married name.
I don't understand why you can't find your family in the 1901 census!! do you have the in the 1891 census??
Elizabeth
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hi elizabeth - thank you for your reply.
my mothers maiden name was brown (my grandad george brown) but on my mothers - mother side of the family - was Johnstone - were I got the 1881 census for them - they Thomas Johnston and his wife elizabeth Cullen (onecame from Berwichshire and the other guernsey channel islands) and traced them to edinburgh and then to dundee.
When I found my late mum's address book I wrote to everyone and one was called Mrs Margaret Ferguson she lived in Brechin Angus scotland - her own name caird (so one of the johnston was a ancestor of her (she was in her 80)
and she married a ferguson - sorry about the confusion - thought with your lot being in dundee might be connected to the family kind regards margaret
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Hello Anne,
I've just found you and I think we must be related ;D
My grandfather was Patrick Cairnie and had 6 brothers: Stephen, Finlay, John, Hugh, Charles and James( ?) and a sister Ann that died young. I think you must be a daughter of either Nan or Cathie ?. My granddad Patrick married Mary Ann, they had three sons Francis, James ( killed in action in WW2) and my dad John. We recently found the war letters from James and have published them in a book. Would love to share this with you!
Kathryn
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Hi, Kathryn.
Yes, we are part of the same family! I am only aware of my grandfather, Finley, being one of 6 brothers. I never knew there was a girl called Anne🤔. My mother was Anne (Nan) Cairnie ( married name Broderick), and her sister was Catherine (Cathie) Cairnie, married name Carr. Looks like those two names, Anne and Catherine have continued on through the generations - I am Anne and one of my sisters is Catherine😊( not your spelling). My mum died in 2004 and my Auntie Cathie a few years later. They are both buried in Dundee though Mum lived most of her married life in Manchester, where I was born. My brother, Stephen (another of the family names☺), my sister Catherine and I were all up in Dundee in late September for Mum's anniversary. I live in Perth, Australia, so can't make it every year, but my brother and sister go annually. I even discovered, earlier this year, another Anne Cairnie, living in St Bride's (?) Parish, Dundee, who is also part of our family.
I am one of 5 children, my older brother, John, lives in Germany, both my sisters, Catherine and Julia live in Manchester, and Julia's twin brother, Stephen lives in Norfolk.
I have 4 children, and 7 grandchildren all living in Perth, Western Australia, though I am still here in UK on holiday staying with my sister, Catherine.
Lovely to hear from you.
Kind regards
Anne
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Hi Anne,
I was so excited to get your response thank you!.
I've just made up a family tree and can now place you and your brothers on to it too ;). I have three sisters, Eileen, Joan and I live in Dundee and my sister Norma lives in Germany ( Black forest) - not sure where your brother John lives? I have two daughters Julia and Anna, I didn't know they were they were both family names!! I'm having a little meet up this Sunday to celebrate the launch of the book of the war letters of my uncle James ( Patricks son) and have tracked down a couple of 'Cairnies' who are coming along.i.e. Cathie and Margaret who were Hugh's daughters. They would both be your mums and my dads cousins. If you are still in the UK and can manage up to Dundee then please come into the Queens hotel on Sunday at 2pm! Thanks again for getting in touch Anne, I really appreciate it
Kind regards
Kathryn
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Hi, Kathryn.
Thanks for the invite but unfortunately I am unable to get there😕.
M grandfather, Finlay, also went off to Ypres in WWI with the Black Watch Highlanders and suffered mustard gas poisoning. He lived until 1962, in Dundee. I may have met (?) Our two relations, Cathie and Margaret, several years ago in Nosey Parkers, Queens Hotel! My older brother, John, lives in Stuttgart, Germany.
Good luck for Sunday. Would loved to have caught up with all of you. Especially as I have photos from my grandfather's time with people in it that I can't identify. One day...
Kind regards
Anne
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Hello Anne,
Aww that's too bad but perfectly understandable! I'm looking forward to catching up with Cathie and Margaret and will mention our chat to them on Sunday.
Interesting that your Grandad Finlay was in WW1 in the Black watch. My Grandad Patrick ( Finlays brother) was too, and he died in 1962. I also have some contact with Hugh's grandsons and have invited them on Sunday but not heard back yet.
My sister Norma has come over from Germany for this occasion and she tells me that she lives near Stuttgard and visits it often, she'd love to meet up and have a chat with your brother. Let me know if he'd be interested and I can PM her details to you to pass to him.
Kind regards
Kathryn
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Hello Elizabeth, I have a Ferguson from Dundee in my family. Jean Ferguson, born 04 Sep 1791. Father John and Mother Jean Milln (or Miln). She married my Gr. Gr. Grandfather, James Baxter. Her father & mother had 7 children including Jean; all born in Dundee.
John
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Hi, Kathryn.
Yes, we are part of the same family! I am only aware of my grandfather, Finley, being one of 6 brothers. I never knew there was a girl called Anne🤔. My mother was Anne (Nan) Cairnie ( married name Broderick), and her sister was Catherine (Cathie) Cairnie, married name Carr. Looks like those two names, Anne and Catherine have continued on through the generations - I am Anne and one of my sisters is Catherine😊( not your spelling). My mum died in 2004 and my Auntie Cathie a few years later. They are both buried in Dundee though Mum lived most of her married life in Manchester, where I was born. My brother, Stephen (another of the family names☺), my sister Catherine and I were all up in Dundee in late September for Mum's anniversary. I live in Perth, Australia, so can't make it every year, but my brother and sister go annually. I even discovered, earlier this year, another Anne Cairnie, living in St Bride's (?) Parish, Dundee, who is also part of our family.
I am one of 5 children, my older brother, John, lives in Germany, both my sisters, Catherine and Julia live in Manchester, and Julia's twin brother, Stephen lives in Norfolk.
I have 4 children, and 7 grandchildren all living in Perth, Western Australia, though I am still here in UK on holiday staying with my sister, Catherine.
Lovely to hear from you.
Kind regards
Anne
Hi Anne
Hoping you get a notification from this post. I am Cathie Carr granddaughter and am trying to find a way to reach Nan's family as my dad Jim passed away last week and it is in regards to the grave.