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my 3x great grandparents duncan and jane ogilvie nee johnson married in south shields sometime in the late 1840's
i cannot find them at all in any census for south shields ,i would love to know duncan ogilvie's place of birth ,duncan has listed as donkin on some of their childrens christening records and i know some of their children married in south shields but i am confused as to why i cant find them in census
some of their kids were
ann or annie duncan /donkin ogilvie
john jefferson ogilvie
possibly a hannah ogilvie
faithfully
compo
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What is the occupation of Duncan Ogilvie? I am finding an Duncan Ogilvie in the various census but the wife is a Jane.
Janis
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duncan ogilvie was a sailor /mariner
his wife was called jane not ann ,sorry my mistake thankyou for taking the time to help me
compo
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Here are some of the family in 1861
RG9/ 3786/ 106/ Page 41
Barrington Street, Westoe, South Shields
Jane Ogilvie, Wife, M, F , 34 Master Mariners Wife, Durham South Shields
Anne Ogilvie, Daughter F 12 Scholar, Durham South Shields
Thomas do, Son M 5 Scholar Durham South Shields
Duncan do, Son, M, 2 , Durham South Shields
Frederick do, Son, M , 4M Durham South Shields
George do, Son, M, 8 Scholar Durham South Shields
Looks as if Duncan was away (?at sea) at the time of this census
Jennifer
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1851
HO107/2399 folio 227 page 56
Westoe
Duncan Ogilvy, Head, Mar, 30, Seaman, Scotland
Jane Ogilvy, Wife, Mar 24, Durham South Shields
Barbara Ogilvy, Daur, 7, Durham South Shields
Matthew Ogilvy, 4, Durham South Shields
Ann Ogilvy, 2, Durham South Shields
Jane Ogilvy, 2mo, Durham South Shields
I think I found him in the 1841 census but no way to really tell. I could not find him in the 1841 Scotland census
he is a boarder of a sort, cannot read the occupation though
HO107/684/6 folio 11 page 17
Middlesex, Marlebone, St. Panceas
Arlington Street
Duncan Ogilvie, 20, ??, Scotland
Janis
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There is one entry for a Duncan Ogilvie on the Scotland's People website for a baptism from the years 1818-1823. This is a pay per view site.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Janis
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Hi Compo.......any feedback on whether or not this information was of use to you ???
Jennifer
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hello sorry for not getting in touch earlier as my comp packed up and i had to bin it i am currently on my friends computer til i can get my new laptop sorted out .
yes the information you found for me was absolutely correct i have found all the childrens marriages now apart from daughter phoebe who died age 6
again thankyou
compo
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Hello compo, my name is Graeme Johnson Ogilvie. My family are from south shields and my great great great grandfather was Duncan Ogilvie master mariner, born arbroath, married jane johnson. he died at sea on his ship the nestor in terrible storms off the east coast. Also alexander Hunter is a relative. are we talking about the same person here? sorry i am new to the site and registered as i saw this post from way back. thanks. graeme
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Graeme,
Welcome to Rootschat. Compo should get an email that there is a message to this thread that HE/she posted on. Otherwise if you respond 2 more times you can send a personal message and exchange email addresses and such.
Janis
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hello graham nice to hear from you .I do have a record of Barbara Ogilvie marrying an alexander hunter and they had a good few kids so that information you have would tally . I am pleased to find Duncan was from arbroath tho sad to find he died in such an awful way . how do you know this information was it handed down through the family ? or have you done some research ?
compo
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Hello there, Yes the information has been passed down through the family. We have the history going back to Duncan's father, possibly grandfather. They came from Glenisla in Angus. My own father is an Ogilvie from South Shields. I have been back to Arbroath several times and there are grave stones in the abbey churchyard related to our family also. Alexander Hunter was also an interesting character. My own son is christened Alexander Thomas Johnson Ogilvie. I am Graeme Thomas Johnson Ogilvie and it goes back for about 5 generations using the same names. It's taken a good 20 years to piece the history together as some information about his ships exists at the maritime museum in Greenwich. I may have said previously but the ship that sank in the great storms was the Nestor.
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i will be back on here Wednesday evening armed with all i have on our ogilvies ,also when im not so tired i may work out what cousins we are i think we may be full 3rd cousins ?
do you know of an ernest Ogilvie who lived in boldon colliery a big fella .there is an Ogilvie buried in boldon bank top cemetery and in harton cemetery in the war graves theres a fred Ogilvie is he anything to do with us ? theres a doctor anji curry at imeary street doctors surgery whos mother is one of our ogilvies
I think I already have your family group in my Ogilvie file already do you have cousins with the following surnames
blair ?
dettemers ?
do you have uncles called
john William grieve Ogilvie who married rose ann wade ?
George albert Ogilvie who married mary hay ?
horatio Ogilvie who married georgina Sinclair ?
does your dad have cousins in Liverpool with the surname swift ?
tara for now
kevin haram
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I realise that my answer might not be of any help to anyone as I don't know the original enquiry. Anyway I am busy transcribing baptisms of people at St. Hilda's church South Shields and have come across a spelling error.
I am entering a baptism for Jane Phoebe Ogilvy on 13th April 1851 (born 6th February - presumably the same year). The mother's name is given as Jane and the father's name has been put in as DOROTHY!! I looked at what Family Search has entered for the father's name and they have put in Donrin. The father was listed as a mariner and I wondered if it is possible that the father was Duncan but because of the Scottish pronunciation it might have been mistaken as Donkin and spelt incorrectly in Family Search as I have found several errors there. I realise that this is speculation but I hope it is of some help (especially with the name Phoebe mentioned in threads).
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Looking through the transcriptions I am doing for the website Durham Records Online I have found the following Ogilvie entries - both children of either Donkin and Jane or Duncan and Jane (with his occupation listed as mariner)
Baptised on 13th December 1848 Ann Donkin (these are both Christian names) - born 2nd November presumably 1848
Baptised on 15th November 1846 Matthew Willie born 21st October presumably 1846
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hi,
South Shields records show a marriage for Jane Johnson to Duncan Ogilvy 30 March 1843.
You possibly already have this info?
thought I would pass it on anyway.
taffie