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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: CaroleY on Saturday 10 June 06 01:45 BST (UK)
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I hope Kimmie has joined this!
Any info re Frape, Spratt and Peters most welcome.
Regards
Carole
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Hi Carole. Welcome to RootsChat! :D
I'm afraid you'll have to give us a clue about which Frape/Spratt/Peters you are looking for.
There are, for example, 70 people named Frape in Gloucestershire on the 1861 census, not to mention the 33 Spratts and 141 Peters.
Can you provide christian names and approximate birth years - and/or place of birth?
Is there any other info you might already have that could help us find them?
Cheers
Koromo
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Hello Koromo :)
Many thanks for the welcome. It's much appreciated.
I was told about Rootschat by someone on BBC message board who suggested that this was a board which tolerated chat without so many rules and regs. I've been messaging Kim about Frape, Peters and Spratt on there. Firstly through an intermediary on Genes Reunited! Does that make sense?!!! ;) I'm still on parole on BBC til they decide I'm trustworthy! ::)
The Spratt family are my connection. They married into the Frape and Peters families. Giles Frape was born in Frampton on Severn. Florence Spratt married Robert Peters, she was daughetr of Joseph Allen Colston Spratt and Fanny Elizabeth Frape. A potted version !
Again thankyou for the welcome.
Best regards
Carole
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Your informant was correct - RootsChat is friendlier and infinitely more helpful than any other forum I've seen. ;D
Feel free to request look-ups, etc.
Cheers
K.
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Hi Carole - I'm here at last.
Have put all you sent me onto my family tree.
I realise now that I've not got much, probably because working full time, the OH works Saturdays, having a family and do ECDL at college is all taking its toll.
Also I'm spread out all over the place - OH has Cornwall, Cumbria; I have Wales, West Indies, so have to rely on the internet.
Have an exam on Thursday, then holiday, then hospital treatment, so may be unavailable for some time.
Keep in touch - Kimmie
;D
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Hi Carole
Is that you put a message on curiousfox for details on Frape, who has also got an interest in 'Brain, Bedminster'.
When Joseph Spratt (the one who served in WW1 as James Peters) died a Florence Brain - aunt - was present ???
Is this someone in your tree?
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Hello Kim
Not me on curious fox. I can't find out how to sortit out!!!
Have you answered them?
Regards
Carole
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Hi Carole - hope you are well.
I went to Frampton on Severn this afternoon for a quick look round. I found in the church, St Mary the Virgin, two 'Frape' graves. Details as follows:
First stone
Emilia? (Emily perhaps)
Wife of John Frederick Frape
died 13th December 1856
aged 27 years. The one who died of consumption?
Second stone
John Frape, died 2nd September 1851, aged 85.
Ann his wife died 22nd October 1848, aged 85 years.
Also Alfred, son of Giles and Mary Frape, died 19th June 1848, aged 13.
Giles Powell Frape son, died 24th Octber 1847, aged 23 years.
The inscription is not too clear due to weathering, but its there tucked away behind the church, beside the path, looking towards the canal. Will take a camera next time as we only had the phone cameras.
Asked someone in the church who was tending the grass and they were in their 70s, having grown up in the village they did not know of any Frapes during their live time.
They took my phone number and said if they hear anything they will let me know.
I looked for Church Court where Giles and Mary and his family lived and there is a Church Court Cottages right in front of the church. Looks like it would have been a little row of cottages at on time but its now one.
Will keep looking.
Kim
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I come from Australia and am a descendant of John Frape. He was from Gloucestershire (is there a place called Noad - the immigration record looked like that??) the son of John Frape - deceased in 1857 when John immigrated - and Hannah. John did quite well for himself in Australia. I have been able to trace no further back than this. Anyone got any information on a John & Hannah Frape????? Narissa :)
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Hi Narissa - and welcome!
What information have you got about John junior? Do you know (or can you estimate) his birth year? Was he married when he arrived in Oz and did he travel with family? Do you have an occupation for John or his father?
The only placename that jumps to mind is Ford - might it be that?
Will have a little look for you.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
Thanks for your thoughts. The following is my summary of the immigration information:
Aboard the vessel Zemindar aged 22 a labourer, listed as being able to read (but not write) from Noad, Gloucestershire the son of John and Hannah, father dead mother living in Gloucestershire. Religion C of E paid fare of ? one pound (hard to read)
Birth about 1835.
He was not married as he married out here (well - don't think so). Seems to have travelled alone - no other Frapes on that vessel. Ancestry has origin as Noad, Gloucestershire. A fair bit is known of him once he arrived here but nothing in England and the Census is a little non-definitive. There is a John Frape working as an ag labourer in the 1851 in Horton, Glos and another John Frape 1841 aged just 6 working as an agricultural labourer - no parents just sister Ann with him. Haven't mentally tied that all together yet mainly because the pieces don't seem to form any sort of picture yet.
Any thoughts or help would be valued. Take care and have a great day.
Narissa
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Well there are very few John FRAPEs and all of them are living in Gloucestershire or from the county - assuming there are no horrible mistranscriptions.
Will have another look but you might have already done all that can be done ...
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Anyone doing family from Frampton on Severn there is a brilliant book written by a Rose Spence - Frampton on Severn, Portrait of a Victorian Village.
Its from drawings by the local gentry and takes a look at the village in the 1860s.
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Hi
I am also related to John Frape in Australia and am trying to get into contact with narissa, any chance you can pass my details onto her? she might still be using the same email she joined with back in 2010.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=120211
Please
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Welcome to Rootschat
If you post a reply on the link you gave above Narissa will receive a notification from Rootschat. As a new member you have to make 3 posts before you can contact her by pm (personal message)
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Hello Frapster, welcome to RootsChat :)
I have merged your message to the topic on frape's so they will be notified of your reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you very much
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
I think you will find John/Ann Frape were the children of Hannah Frape who was unmarried.
1841 above John/Ann are Joseph JONES and Wife MARY and Family.
Marriage;
29 Aug 1833, St Mary, Yate, Glous
Joseph JONES to Mary FRAPE
Bachelor/Spinster
(Source FreeREG)
Familysearch.Org has;
Christened St Mary, Yate;
MARY Frape 25 September 1814
HANNAH Frape 21 April 1816
Siblings;
ANN 4 April 1819
ELIZABETH 25 November 1821
JOHN 4 April 1824
Parents WILLIAM/ELIZABETH
****JOHN Frape christened 1834 Yate, Mother HANNAH**
+ on FreeREG;
WILLIAM Frape married Elizabeth AMOS 16 Feb 1814 St Mary, Yate
Trish :)
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1851 Ann Frape 1837 is a Servant in Glous, In the same household is Elizabeth Frape 1824 Yate.
1851 there is a Hannah Frape 182 in Yate (age rounded possibly)