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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Strawberry Mivvy on Monday 05 June 06 22:29 BST (UK)
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She was my great grandmother, though noone seems to know why she was given the above names!
I know she was daughter of William Turnbull and Elizabeth Appleton, and was born 1888 in Leadgate, Co Durham, died 1954.
I have nothing else on the Turnbull line prior to William, so am intrigued where her various names seem to have come from, as they seem to be surnames rather than obvious christian names.
Interested in anything anyone can offer, am doing quite well with other lines of research, but this Turnbull line proving to be my brick wall.
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You don't say if you have them on any census. That is the best way to try and trace the family backwards and may even give a few clues. Quite a big family.
1901 census
Watling Street Leadgate
William Turnbull Head age 57 Mining Engineer b. Sherburn, Durham
Elizabeth Turnbull wife age 49 b. Simpton, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Jane Turnbull dau age 21 b. Chilton, Durham
Margaret H Turnbull dau age 20 School Teacher b. Chilton, Durham
William son age 19 Engine Fitter b Chilton
Ernest Turnbull son age 17 Engine Fitter b. Chilton, Durham
Frederick Turnbull son age 14 b. Leadgate, Durham
S C R Turnbull dau age 12 b. Leadgate, Durham
Albert P Turnbull son age 9 b. Leadgate, Durham
Frederick Turnbull son age 14 b. Leadgate, Durham
Mary Ada Turnbull dau age 11 b. Leadgate, Durham
Maurie Turnbull son age 3 b. Leadgate, Durham
RG13/4669 Lanchester Folio 53, Page 24
Tricia
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This looks like William with his parents before he married.
1871 census:
RG10/4972/80/8
Seaton, Durham
John Turnbull - Head - 68 - Engineer - b Oxclose, Durham
Barbary Turnbull - 63 - b Painshaw, Durham
Elizabeth J Turnbull - Dau - 28 - b Hetton, Durham
William Turnbull - Son - 25 - Engineer Fitter - b Sherburn Tilla (?Villa), Duham
Margaret H Turnbull - Dau - 23 - b Sherburn Tilla, Durham
1861:
RG9/3776/35/4
Ryhope Cottage, Ryhope
John Turnbull - Head - 58 - Engineer - b Oxclose, Durham
Barbra Turnbull - Wife - 50 - b Painshaw, Durham
Ann Bailey Turnbull - Dau - 29 - b Rainton, Durham
Elizabeth Jane Turnbull - Dau - 21 - b Easington, Durham
William Turnbull - Son - 19 - b Shincliffe, Durham
Margaret Hannah Turnbull - Dau - 14 - b Shincliffe, Durham
1851:
HO107/2391/294/24
Shincliffe, Durham
John Turnbull - Head - 48 - Engineer - b Washington, Durham
Barbara Turnbull - Wife - 44 - b Pensher, Durham
Ann B Turnbull - Dau - 20 - b Houghton-le-Spring, Durham
Mary Turnbull - Dau - 18 - b Houghton-le-Spring, Durham
Matthew Turnbull - Son - 15 - Scholar - b Easington, Durham
Elizth Jane Turnbull - Dau - 12 - Scholar - b Easington, Durham
John B Turnbull - Son - 9 - Scholar - b Sunderland, Durham
William Turnbull - Son - 7 - Scholar - b Shincliffe, Durham
Margaret H Turnbull - Dau 4 - Scholar - b Shincliffe, Durham
Rambler
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1891 census
Pont House Leadgate
William Turnbull Head age 50 Colliery Engineer b. Sherburn
Elizabeth wife age 40 b. Kirklington Norfolk
John A son age 14 b. Dean Bridge , Durham
Elizabeth J dau age 12 b. Dene Bridge, Durham
Margaret H dau age 10 b. Dene Bridge, Durham
William H son age 9 b. Dene Bridge, Durham
Ernest B son age 6 b Dene .Bridge, Durham
Frederick son age 4 b.Dene Bridge, Durham
Mary A dau age 1 b. Leadgate, Durham,
Sarah C R W dau age 2 b. Leadgate, Durham
Elizabeth Appleton servant age 18 b Marton Village Yorkshire
RG12/4092 Lanchester
Folio 27
Page 54
Tricia
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Just to confuse the issue there is this family in 1841
Sherburn Hospital, Durham ( also known as Sherbern House I believe)
Thomas Turnbull 40 ag lab not born in county
Sarah 35 "
Sarah 14 "
Isabella 12 "
George 10 born in county
Mary 6 "
William 4 "
Dorothy 2 "
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1881
Dene Bridge Colliery Cottage
William Turnbull Head age 38 Mechanical Engineer b. Sherburn House,
Elizabeth Turnbull wife age 30 b.Simpton, Yorkshire
John Appleton Turnbull son age 4 b. Dene Bridge, Durham
Eliz.Jane Turnbull dau age 2 b. Dene Bridge, Durham
Mgt. Hannah Turnbull dau age 9 months b.Dene Bridge, Durham
Mary Jane Forster servant age 18 General servant b. Sunderland Bridge, Durham
Henry Osbourne Mc Cabe Lodger age 24 Mining Engineer b. New South Wales, Australia
RG11/4903 Stockton
Folio 4 Page 1
Tricia
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No clues on any of those census. We need to sort out a few marriages ;)
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1841 census
Thomas Street Sunderland
John Turnbull age 30 Engineer
Barbara Turnbull age 30
Ann age 10
Mary Turnbull age 8
Matthew Turnbull age 5
Elizabeth Turnbull age 2
Mary Dent age 15
All born in the County
HO107/321/6 Sunderland Folio 4 Page 3
Although I can find John and Barabara on Family Search with some of their children her maiden name is never given. It may be worth sending for one of their children's birth certs to see if it corresponds with one of Sarah's names
Tricia
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Strawberry Mivvy,
I'm a bit puzzled that you say you have come to a brick wall re William TURNBULL ...
Do you not have the marriage certificate of William TURNBULL and Elizabeth APPLETON?
From FreeBMD
William TURNBULL, marriage, Mar qtr 1875, Easington, Vol 10a, Page 585
An Elizabeth APPLETON is on the same page.
That should at least have given you the name and occupation of William's father?
JAP
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Blimey, all I can say is thanks guys!
Not sure where my brick wall came from, but I am sure you know what it's like, sometimes you just can't see for looking!
Thanks so much for all your help, has given me the impetus to keep going now.
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If you are liking the John Turnbull and Barbara family there is a marriage of John Turnbull and Barbara Bailey 18 July 1829 in Bishopwearmouth.
Janis
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Hi Strawberry mivi
not sure about these forums or if you get a email direct so lets hope this gets to you.
The lady you ask about I have some information on and some photos if i can find them.
Her father William Turnbull is my Great grandfather. I am desended from Fredrick a brother to your Sarah. my surname is Turnbull.
I have a bit more information on the family if you are interested.
I will try to find the photos.
I dont know why she was given the names she had but i would guess they were relatives surnames.
the eldest brother has the middle name Appleton which was William's wife's maiden name.
best regards
how can we exchange emails without the world finding out.?
maureensman
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Hi Strawberry Mivvy
I am not allowed to get personel messages for some reason.
why do they make life so hard for people who are not good with computers.
perhaps i should give up and go to an old peoples home to sit in a chair to vegitate.
some day across the great devide we may be able to get in touch.
regards maureensman
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You are not allowed because you have only 2 posts. Answer this one and then you can do the PM's.
Do you want the parish information on Barbara Bailey?, there is maybe a better marriage to a Barbara Ridley--one for birth 1808 and another 1809. (marriage Jarrow 1827. Both Barbara's were born Penshaw but Barbara Bailey was about 1802.
Janis
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Hi Janis
I've assumed (I know, never assume!) that Barbara Bailey is the correct one, as 2 of the children were given Bailey as middle name.
I have, however, struggled to find the link to their marriage - do you have access to it?
John and Barbara are the furthest I've been able to get back, I keep being distracted by other lines of research, really must get back to those Turnbulls...
Julie
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I have a microfilm of Penshaw and can provide info on Jane. I wasn't paying attention enough to note that there is a name Bailey in some of the offspring. (In 2006 I was not today though) Just date wise the better one might be the Jane Ridley.
Baptisms Shincliffe St. Mary: William Turnbull 2 July 1843 s/o John and Barbara
Margaret Hannah Turnbull baptised 4 Oct 1846 d/o John and Barbara
I only have a simple transcript for Bishopwearmouth 1813-1839-just the name and date.
Janis
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Hi Janis
Yes, if you have the Penshaw microfilm and could provide birth/baptism info for Barbara Bailey that would be amazing.
Thanks so much.
Maureensman and I are currently sharing info and making connections which is great after all this time
Julie