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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: avm228 on Monday 05 June 06 10:49 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
I have looked up and down for this family in 1841 without success, and am wondering whether extra pairs of eyes out there might be able to find them.
The family I'm looking for is the Milwards. By 1851 they were in Beoley Lane, Redditch. Here's the family (that I know of) - from other sources:
Henry Milward b abt 1802 Redditch, Manufacturer/factory owner
Catharine/Catherine Milward (wife) b 2 July 1799 Richmond, Surrey
plus children (all born Redditch):
Henry Charles Milward b 8 Dec 1831
Catharine/Catherine Sarah Milward b abt 1833
John Frederic Milward b abt 1835
Mary Jane Milward b abt 1836
Robert Harding Milward b 17 Oct 1838
Victor Milward b 10 Aug 1840
Any help with finding them in 1841 would be greatly appreciated. (They were not with Catharine's relatives in Richmond).
Many thanks
Anna
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Hi Anna,
I have MILWARD interests, 2 in fact, and am struggling to sort them currently. They are somewhat earlier in dates though. Although I haven't got the 1841 for this family, I have a feeling that you may be looking in the wrong place.
In 1841 Tardebigge and Ipsley were considered to be part of Warwickshire coming under Alcester district.
I also have the needlemakers family tree. A simplified one starting in 1600. Probably prepared by Jean Neville, plus an article she wrote on the MILWARDs
Mike
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Hello Mike,
How nice to hear from a fellow MILWARD researcher. I've got 4x g-grandfather Henry's (b 1802) direct line going back to Richard MILWARD b abt 1600 - from various sources including Burke's Landed Gentry, memorial inscriptions and info kindly provided by other researchers. I also have various indirect lines (cousins & so on) so might possibly be able to help if you've got MILWARD people to sort out. Feel free to PM me. I'd be most interested in Jean Neville's article - I don't think I've been in touch with her.
So far as 1841 is concerned, I have trawled through the whole of the Tardebigge enumeration and found no trace of these MILWARDS. I suspect they've just slipped through the net somehow. I don't suppose the census would tell me anything I don't already know about them - they couldn't realistically have fitted in any more children than I already have for them - but I hate having pieces of the jisgaw missing!
(Cousin?) Anna
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Hi Anna
I think I have found them, well the kiddies not mum and dad. Some of the names are a bit ::) See what you think.
1841 Ipsley Warwichshire Reg'district Studley
Henry Millward 9 yrs
Charles .. 7 yrs
James .. 6 yrs
Mary .. 5 yrs
Richard .. 2 yrs
Valentine .. 9 months
It doesn't give an address but the pages before and after has Mount Pleasant and Breedon on them.
HO107/1124 /6/18/29
Julia
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Julia - thankyou indeed - that is intriguing ;)
The ages seem to be exactly right, even down to the 9 months for the baby. My Milward family certainly owned land at Studley from at least 1819, so the place is good too. Three servants is about right also, though unfortunately none of the servants listed here coincides with the family's servants later on.
The names - well, if this is them:
Henry Charles becomes Henry - fine
Catherine Sarah becomes Charles - hmmm...
John Frederic becomes James
Mary Jane becomes Mary - fine
Robert Harding becomes Richard
Victor becomes Valentine
Well, they all have the right first initial! And I can't trace a separate family later on with a Valentine etc (or a baptism/civil birth reg. for a Valentine Milward).
I wonder whether the household census form was filled in by a servant with poor handwriting so that the enumerator could just about make out the first initial and had to guess at the rest.
As I say, intriguing - many thanks for drawing this to my attention. I will investigate further :)
Anna
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Sorry Anna,
I've looked and looked for Catherine & Henry but alas I didn't find them, whats the betting they to have been given a different names too!! ::)
Julia :D
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I can confirm identity of Henry Milward - born 1802 - he was my mother Agatha Milward's greatgrandfather.
His Gandfather (also Henry born 1730) his grandmother Sarah Brandish , his father (Henry again born 1770) his mother - Sarah Smith and most of his brothers and sisters are buried in a huge tomb in Tardebigge churchyard.
Any informatioln about either Sarah Brandish or Sarah Smith would be welcome
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Hello Gumpy and a warm welcome to Rootschat :)
It looks as though we are cousins - I'm descended from Mary Jane Milward b. 1836, daughter of Henry b. 1802. Mary Jane was my ggg-grandmother and is buried at Highgate Cemetery in the Pierce family grave (she married John Timbrell Pierce).
I'm currently in New Zealand cuddling Henry Milward's newest descendant (my 7-week-old niece) and all my FH research is in London, so I have no immediate access. I do have more on both the Brandish and Smith families which I would be delighted to share with you when I can. I'll be back in London in early October.
I would be delighted to learn where your line fits in.
Looking forward to being further in touch
Anna :)
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Hi Anna,
I also have the needlemakers family tree. A simplified one starting in 1600. Probably prepared by Jean Neville, plus an article she wrote on the MILWARDs
Mike
Hi Mike
Re: the above, I am a Milward (my middle name), My mother is a Milward (daughter of Francis John) on your Milward Needles 250th Anniverary Calender (which I presume your Milward 1600 family tree came from?).
My Grandfather Francis John (known as John) even opened Milward Square in Redditch Shopping Centre in 1983 with the Queen as the family member. We sold out of Milwards Needles some time ago as you probably know
I am interested in the Article you refer to, written by Jean Neville, would you have a copy to hand by chance?
Kind Regards
Edward
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Hi tedzwedz,
My MILWARD/MILLWARD are some of the poor lot!!! Seriously struggling with them.
Can you PM me with your email address, please? I have 6 .jpgs between 500 and 1200 Kbs, probably scanned 10 years ago before I new what I was doing 3 computers ago.
I'm quite busy at the moment, so you may have to wait a bit.
Cheers
Mike
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Hello Friends,
I have a Millward link in Birmingham and wondered if she is related to any of you.
She is Ann Maria MILLWARD , button coverer of 5 Lower Camden Street, Birmingham (and daughter of george MILLWARD, a Cooper). She married William PIPER, a bricklayer, on 11 may 1873 at All saints Church, Birmingham.
Is Ann Maria related to anyone reading this?
Bargee Girl
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Hi tedzwedz,
My MILWARD/MILLWARD are some of the poor lot!!! Seriously struggling with them.
Can you PM me with your email address, please? I have 6 .jpgs between 500 and 1200 Kbs, probably scanned 10 years ago before I new what I was doing 3 computers ago.
I'm quite busy at the moment, so you may have to wait a bit.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike
Great to hear from you, you have a PM!
Kind regards
Edward
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Have been spending approx 3 years tring to research these pesky Milwards. I seem to be bouncing between Worcestershire record office and more recently Warwickshire which seem to turn everything upside down that I thought I knew previously.
My line more recntly in history come from Redditch, were needlemakers and possibly come from Ipsley before that, or so I thought.
I now discover that they may come to Ipsley via Tardebigge and could be named either William or Joseph depending upon which marriage entry I view fro his sons. This would be a birth possibly around 1789 but who knows given the other differences in facts!
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Sorry Anna,
I've looked and looked for Catherine & Henry but alas I didn't find them, whats the betting they to have been given a different names too!! ::)
Julia :D
I know this a very long time since your post but I was interested to see that you have Pountney as well as Milward which I do too. My Milwards are Redditch my Pountneys Wolverhampton/ Birmingham.
Elizabeth
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Hi there
I am looking for the family of James milward needle makers redditch, i have found u on roots chat so i have just joined so i could contact u. This is all new to me and its taken me all afternoon just to work out how to use the site,, sad really he he.
James fathered a daughter called Sarah he and Sarah's mother were not married he is on the birth certificate i believe. Have u any more info on this family, what is the 250 calender and the item written by jean Neville? all good researching i hope. i will look in my pm page i am not sure how to do it any other way at the moment so look forward to hearing from you.
kind regards Christine
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Hi Christine
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You need to make two more postings before you can us the PM facility.
We were all newbies once so don't give up it such a great site.
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Hello Christine and welcome
I believe the James and Sarah(s) you mention are in my family tree. Unfortunately my computer crashed and died a few weeks ago along with my family tree information, though fortunately I did back it all up externally not too long before. Once the laptop is repaired and I have reloaded my family history software I will resurrect the family tree and get back to you on this thread about the relevant line of Milwards. I have information on them going back to about 1600.
Anna :)