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Title: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Sunday 08 February 04 03:21 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I am researching this line from Sydney.

Cornelius John Hines b. 23 July 1805 Stepney, London
He was convicted of larceny and transported to Australia arriving in 1810.    

His parents are believed to be Cornelius HIMES and Mary MOSS who were married on 13 April 1802 in St Dunstan's Church, Stepney.

Any further information on this line would be appreciated.   ;D

regards
Carol
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: frederickay on Sunday 02 January 05 09:27 GMT (UK)
hi do you have any hine marrying a wharton in your line. my robert hine wharton is a mystery man. he was born in london 1852. his father was a draper. we can get no further. thanks ajn
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Sunday 02 January 05 13:17 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I don't have anything like that.  :'(

Carol
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: frederickay on Monday 03 January 05 09:47 GMT (UK)
 :'(thanks forreply .always a chance one day.jan
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: scatty on Monday 03 January 05 10:12 GMT (UK)
Frederickay & Cariolana,
These Hines people do seem to be a problem !!
Have either of you  come upon a  Hines -Donovan  c 1851 Ireland / Suffolk, place of birth seems to disagree and also  using double barreled surname.

Best Wishes and good luck with yours.

Scatty
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Monday 03 January 05 11:49 GMT (UK)
Scatty,


Sorry I haven't.   ::)
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 January 05 18:17 GMT (UK)
Carol

Are you really saying that he was born in 1805 and was convicted of larceny at age 5 and transported to Oz  :o Was this his first crime  ???


Carol
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Tuesday 04 January 05 03:23 GMT (UK)
thank you for pointing out my error.  He arrived in Australia in 1825.

Carol
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: gennig on Tuesday 04 January 05 06:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Coriolana

With regards to your Cornelius Hine.
Where was he tried?
Do you have the transcript from his trial?
Larceny usually resulted in a death sentence, was his sentence reduced to transportation for life? 
Have you checked for a newspaper report?
What trade/occupation was listed on his convict records?

Sorry to bombard you with questions but I might be able to make a few suggestions, if I have some more information.

Cheers

Genni

Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Tuesday 04 January 05 07:57 GMT (UK)
I appreciate your assistance.

I have some information on Cornelius Hines -he was convicted at the Old Bailey and the records were available online.  Conviction - 7 years transportation.  Arrived on the Asia.

I am trying to look for his parents - Cornelius Himes (there is some variation in the spellings) and Mary Moss, married in 1802 at Stepney, London.  Hence my posting on the England board.

thanks
Carol  ;D
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: regross on Sunday 06 May 07 08:59 BST (UK)
HI,

I posted this on the other board as well.

Just had a thought, I am looking for an entry into Australia of a man who gave his name as THOMAS HENRY EMMS when he married in 1842.

I have not been able to locate any arrival convict or otherwise with this name. He suposedly arrived in 1826 when he would have been about 7 years old.

AS I have been searching for quite some time now I have moved on to acronyms etc and Thos HY Emms
might well have been written for Thos HYAMS. What do you know about your Thomas Hyam?

I ask this as there is a complete lack of any reference to any Thomas Emms in the colonies in the period before his marriage. This is most unusual one would have expected a reference of some kind to show up. Perhaps ypour Cornelius used an alias!

He is the only one of 22 arrivals into Australia that I have not been able to pin down.

Just being hopeful

Robyn in Wodonga
Title: Re: HIMES (HINES, HYAMS & variations) and MOSS - research from Australia
Post by: Coriolana on Sunday 06 May 07 10:06 BST (UK)
Hi Robyn,

Cornelius came to Australia as a convict, arrived 1825 aged about 20. So no connection to your family. Good luck with your research.

Carol