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Found the King family in 1881 at Romford Essex and can see some of them on the 1901 index at Putney.
In 1881 they were
Alfred King 42 Sudbury
Helen 33 Bocking
Mary Jane 14 all the children Romford
Ellen Mabel 12
Alfred Edward 11
Francis John 9
Corrie Louise 6
Pericival Stanley 4
Maud Winifred 2
I think that Helen may have died as I couldn't see her in 1901.
Anything at all on this family would be appreciated
Kissimmee
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Hi
1891 RG12/30/91/9
116 Brompton Rd, Kensington, London
Alfred M King, head, 52, baker & confectioner, b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Helen King, wife, 43, b. Bocking, Essex
E. Mabel King, dau, s, Cashier, b. Bocking Essex
Alfred E King, son, s. 21, Manager of Shop Conf. (baker), b. Romford, Essex
Corrie L King, dau, s, 16, Milliner (dress), b. Romford, Essex
Archer B King, son, 9, scholar, b. Romford, Essex
Bertha H King, dau, 8, scholar, b. Romford, Essex
Dorothy R King, dau, 4, b. London, Middx
Lily E Cowland, servant, s, 15, general servant (dom), b. London, Middx
Emma Johnson, boarder, s, 26, Manageress of Shop (?/Conf.), b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Emma Berry, boarder, s, 19, shop assistant, b. London, Middx
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1901 RG13/491/80/42
3 Dealhy/Dealtry? Rd, Putney, London
Alfred M King, head, mar, 62, Flour mcht? Baker Confectr, employer, b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Mary J King, dau, s, 36, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Marylebone, London
Ellen M King, dau, s, 32, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Bocking, Essex
Maud W King, dau, s, 22, b. Romford, Essex
Archer B King, son, s. 19, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Romford, Essex
1901 RG13/1824/58/12
St Winifreds, Mundesley, Norfolk
Helen King, wife, mar, 53, b. Bocking, Essex
Corrie L Hafig? dau, mar, 26, b. Romford, Essex
Bertha H King, dau, s, 17, b. Romford Essex
Dorothy R King, dau, 14, b. Brompton, London
Fanny M Stebbings, serv, s, 16, general servant, (domestic), b. Holt, Norfolk
Goodness me! :D :D
FreeBMD: Corrie Louise King married Prince Hafiz of the Abbassides,
Sep qtr 1900, Wandsworth, Vol 1d/1466
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/AliHafiz.jpg)
Do you think this chap has something to do with it? :D
1901 RG13/1532/72/9
67 Jesus Lane, Cambridge, Cambs
Kezia L F Fletcher, head, s, 64, own means, b. Ash, Kent
Anna Maria Fletcher, sister, s, 60, own means, b. Ash, Kent
Bion Reynolds, bro in law, widr, 58, Mathematical Teacher, worker, at home, b. Swanscombe, Kent
Margaret H Lamplugh, niece, s, 21, governess, worker, b. Ash, Kent
Fletcher A A Lamplugh, nephew, s, 23, student, at home, b. Ash, Kent
Helen D Reynolds, niece, s, 20, typist, worker, b. Nottinghill W
Ali Hafiz Bey, boarder, s, 19, student, b. Cairo, Egypt
Annie L Sargent, servant, s, 14, servant domestic, b. Horningsey, Cambs
Note: Bey is a title written after the name, originally Turkish/Ottoman, meaning a leader or chief,
so his actual name is Ali Hafiz. I should imagine that by 1901 it was more of a courtesy title
(indexed as Brey on Ancestry, but the image is Bey).
A bit of a Google:
Abbasid (əba`sĭd, a`bəsĭd) or Abbaside (–sīd, –sĭd), Arab family descended from Abbas, d. 653, uncle of Muhammad the Prophet and of Ali the caliph. ... ... ... The conquests of Jenghiz Khan further lowered the prestige of the Abbasids, and in 1258 his grandson Hulagu Khan sacked Baghdad and overthrew the Abbasid caliphate. The 37th caliph died in the disaster, but a member of the family escaped to Cairo, where he was recognized as caliph. The Cairo line of the Abbasid caliphate, completely subordinated to the Mamluks, survived until after the Ottoman conquest (1517) of Egypt.
See also: Abbasid Dynasty (http://www.baapoo.com/baapoo.com,index,goto,Abbasid.html)
Hows about that!! :D :D
However, why do I get the feeling that the marriage might have ended in tears! Ali Hafiz's family may not have taken kindly to him marrying a milliner from London when he was meant to be studying at Cambridge - particularly if the family regarded itself as important within Cairo society. Was the marriage coming to grief by the 1901 census and Corrie's family had congregated at Mundesley for support?
On the other hand, I may be maligning them, and they lived together happily for ever after. ;)
Cheers
Koromo
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I can't see Francis John King anywhere.
FreeBMD: Percival Stanley King, died Dec qtr 1882, aged 5, Romford Vol 4a/136
1901 RG13/74/122/11
6 Symons St, Chelsea, London
Alfred E King, head, mar, 31, baker manager (bread), worker, b. Romford, Essex
Hannah M King, wife, 24, b. St Mary Cray, Essex
Ethel M Tubb, serv, s, 17, general dom. worker, b. Hurlington, Middx
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My goodness Koromo,
It is all too much for my little brain box. I am going to have to make myself a cuppa and sit down and slowly digest your findings and come back with my comments later - what a pity that I do not drink the hard stuff think I could do with a tot.
Thanks you for all your hard work
Kissimmee
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Well what can one say to top that! I am still trying to get me head around it. Maybe with a surname of King he thought she was royalty. Can't wait for the 1911 to come out to see if Ali is kneeding dough at the baker's shop.
The split family in 1901 is another mystery. Maybe Alfred told his wife if she didn't like the heat from the ovens to get out. This is the most interesting branch I have all the rest seem to be ag labs or suchlike.
Kissimmee
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Hi Kissimmee :D
I had so much fun finding out about your King family! They will make a very interesting topic of conversation even with members of your own family who might not be all that interested in your genealogical sleuthing!
In 1901 the addresses of the households on either side of Helen King and the three girls in Mundesley are as follows:
Cromer Road
St Edwards
St Winifreds
Ozone Villas
Googling around, I found that St Winifreds in Mundesley is now described as a "spacious Victorian House 150 yards from sandy beach" which has been converted into two holiday apartments, etc, etc. and from the accompanying (modern) map it is right on the sea front near Cromer Road. It may well have been a guest house where people stayed for a few days/weeks to take in the sea air in the 1900s. Of course we don't know how long the King family stayed there.
I can't find a picture of it, but this is a description of St Winifreds today: http://www.britinfo.net/T/1120043.htm
... plus a couple of photos of Mundesley beach - it definitely looks like yer typical Victorian seaside resort.
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/MundesleyMap.jpg)
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/Mundesley1.jpg)
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/Mundesley2.jpg)
What I find amusing is trying to picture the marriage registrar getting the spelling right for "Prince Hafiz of the Abbassides" and fitting it on the certificate!! It had to have been a registry marriage if your Ali was descended from the uncle of the Prophet Muhammed.
Do let me know if you ever find out more - I'm really intrigued. ;)
Best regards
Koromo
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... and one more of Mundesley beach taken in 1892.
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/Mundesley1892.jpg)
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Hi Koroma,
I can understand you getting hooked on this one. Only wish that it was a direct line and not a distant side shoot. Would love to send for the marriage certificate to see his father's name but with the cost of certificates I could spend the money better buying one that would help me get further.
Can't believe how much you have found out for me. Feel a lot better thinking that Helen and the girls where on an holiday and hadn't left Alfred. Looking at the beach wouldn't mind a stroll along the prom myself is the sun was out.
When I told sister Supernan she said she always knew we descended from Royalty told the other half and he was unimpressed and cut across with "Wonder if it is going to rain today?" That man's got no soul or just hates family history.
Thanks for all the fun and mystery of this one
Kissimmee
Ps your latest photo of the beach in 1892 has just come through - love the changing huts on wheels. Have a photo of the mother in law who was born in 1895 stepping out of one of those into the sea
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Hi Kissimmee
Yes, getting the certificate would be fascinating, but I fully understand how direct line certs are far more important to spend the pounds on - I'm in exactly the same quandary, as I bet most of us are.
Roll on 1911!
Cheers
K.
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Hello
I just came across this post earlier whilst searching the history on where I live and would like to share what I know.
I purchased one of these villas back in 2009 but they are no longer known as Ozone Villas but as No. 3,5,7 and 9 Hilda Road. Post code NR11 8BA. If you google earth it you will get lovely pics on it. (see attached link http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&q=5+hilda+road,+mundesley&cp=23&wrapid=tljp1304542636387022&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=5+Hilda+Rd,+Mundesley,+Norfolk+NR11+8&gl=uk&ei=tr3BTdOlC4SY8QP_8uDXBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA
I think all of these villas were converted into flats back in the early 80's but they have all now since been converted back with mine being the last. We have renovated it back to its original state where we could. They are lovely big old houses with a lot of character. I would love to know the history on this place and learn about who lived here previous. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Hi Jefferson,
How interesting I do love to hear any little snippets that makes the past seem to come alive.
I am sure it has been very rewarding restoring your property.
Someone out there is sure to come back with who lived in these properties.
Kissimmee
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Hello,
New to this site!
Just stumbled across this site and thread via a google search.
Alfred Murrel King and his wife Helen (neé Bearman) are my great Grandparents.
Corrie king is therefore a great aunt (my fathers Aunt) and the story of her marrying Prince Hafiz has been passed down in part.
I have the marriage certificate of 1900.
The Prince was 49 at the time of his marriage, in a church in Wandsworth, to Corrie King who was 26.
I won’t comment further at this stage as I see the post is 12 years old and many members have not been active for some time
Anyone out there found out more or still interested?
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Dach I would love to know anything about your great grandparents. Although they are only an off branch to my family history, I love to collect everything sideways not just the direct line.
Although I would not be able to add anything to your branch someone out there may come forward.
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Morning;)
Ok, Alfred Murrell King was quite a successful man becoming the master confectioner and later manager of 'Barkers' department store in Kensington, London. I'll try and attach a photo taken in 1906. This is the year Alfred died but it won't have changed much during his time.
Helen Bearman, his wife was 10 years his junior born 1847. For some reason unknown, she is shown as 'Rebecca' on their 1863 marriage certificate!?
Alfred died in 1906 leaving his estate to Helen, a sum of £10,820, today worth £1,200,000
Helen died in 1919
His daughter Corrie Louise King; Corrie was 26 when she married Prince Hafiz in 1900. My mother dug up this information when researching a school project for me as a child, from the records my father had been passed down, he being the son of Dorothy Rose King, Corrie's younger sister!
From memory my Dad was able to say that his Aunt Corrie had married a Prince Hafiz but the marriage didn't last long. The family story is that Corrie's brother had had to rescue her from an upstairs window via a ladder to make her escape! It begs the question what had exactly gone on for things to have turned out like this. It is unknown where this address was, but could explain why in 1901 census Corrie is shown with her mother and other family members in Norfolk, whilst her father is still in London, working you would assume?
This story was backed up by my fathers cousin, his parents descending via Corrie's older brother Alfred Edward King.
'The Prince' was 49 in 1900 marriage cert so not the chap found at Cambridge earlier in this post aged 19. Hopefully you can see the marriage cert from 1900? Married in a church in Wandsworth London. Whats bizarre, apart from the fact a muslim married in a church is the way his 'name; is recorded as 'The Prince Hafiz of the Abbassides', he also gave his rank or profession as the same! Corrie is later shown as Corrie Hafiz (1901c) so ok to assume this was 'his' surname but no idea what his first name was. His father, shown deceased is shown as Prince Harzza! I cant quite make out the location they 'claim' to come from but believe they indicate they come from 'Hadram out in South Arabia'.
Call me cynical but i don't think this chap was a prince of any importance! I could be wrong, but odd he marries an ordinary London girl! I suspect he had his eyes on possible inheritance from his father in law
Somewhere i have the name of the brother who rescued Corrie, but having recently moved house, it will take some finding.
Corrie remarried an Albert Joseph Martin, date unknown but she is shown as Corrie Louise Martin in Sept 1917 passenger lists, travelling from New York USA to Liverpool UK where she intends to permanently reside. Address given is the King family address of 3 Dealtry Rd Putney. I have no idea when or where Albert and Corrie met or were married, suspect USA as i couldn't find records in the UK.
Albert was a WW1 soldier serving in the Royal Army Medical Corps, i have his medals but his service records do not survive being burnt during the bombing of WW2. These would have given join up dates and family members, possibly Corrie. What is still unanswered is when did they both meet, when did Albert come back to the UK and enlist in the Army? He must have travelled separately to Corrie as he is not on the passenger list above. His medal entitlement indicate his service was after jan 1916.
After the war Albert worked as an Osteopath, my father would go to him to get treated for sporting injuries. He was a 'Mason' and chatted to my father about the pro's of also becoming one. My father declined. With his medals also came some masonic badges. My father indicated that Arthur trained as an Osteopath, not sure if this was before or after WW1 and in America, but he had the title 'Professor in Anatomy and Physiology'. I suspect before the war and in America, as his medical background would have given him passage into the medical corps.
Ive tried to attach photos - failed - new to this web page - can upload if you give me some guidance;)
Hope this is of some use.
D
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Hi Dach
Thanks for going to all that trouble to send me the details of your family. It is all very interesting and I am sure that someone out there will find they have a nearer connection to you. I am sure you will love using RootsChat. Everyone is so friendly and keen to help. I have had such a lot of success in the past with the help of others. I have forgotten how to send photos and also I know you can arrange for things to go to your own e mail address without others seeing your address but once again have forgotten how to do that.
Hope you get a lot of help
Kissimmee
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Hi, sorry i thought your connection was closer and the information on the marriage certificate was of a closer interest, i would have kept my explanation shorter;)
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Hello again,
If anyone is interested, i was given a photo this week of the King house in Mundesley, with others with Helen/Ellen and her children and Grandchildren. On the rear it says 'Grandpa's house in Norfolk'. This has come through Helen to her daughter Dorothy and then her son, my father Eric.
It is NOT as described above in Hilda Road, but does back onto these properties, being situated in Goodwin Road today. It is a detached large property. It still remains, i believe, one private dwelling although the gardens that are well manicured c1900 have been sold off and modern houses now fill this plot. The house, otherwise, appears virtually unchanged from the outside.
I still dont know how to upload photos ... otherwise i would.