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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: goodlife on Thursday 25 May 06 23:00 BST (UK)
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Please can someone help me!!
I cannot decipher my ancestors marriage certificate, particularly the name of the Church and the name of the Parish.
I have attached the jpeg image if anyone can help me.
Thanks
Kev
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Hi Kev :)
The name of the Church is just "The Parish Church"...but the Parish name is a stonker...Of course I can't read it now that I'm replying, so I'll go and have another look.
:)
Prue
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Possibly St Alkmund Derby
Patricia :)
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Jones the Search will be right. It is not only in Derbyshire but also in the registration district of Derby. That has only 5 churches with Saint's names - St. Alkmund, St. Werburgh, St. Michael, St. Peter and St. Andrew.
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There are photos of St Alkmund church being demolished
(to make way for a ring road ...) at:
http://www.derbyphotos.co.uk/oldphotos/lsc/index.htm
JAP
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Thank you, that's really helped.
I agree with you all it must be St Alkmund, and that makes the district fit in with other births of their children in St Peter's district.
Thanks again.
Kev
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Just a couple of more things if anyone can help?
What was written above Bachelor?
Was his profession a FIREMAN?
I think the street is Derwent Street but what is the other? (Eagle Place perhaps?)
Are the Fathers names JOSEPH and SAMUEL?
The fathers occupations! Are they MINER and DYER?
any comments would help
Kev
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Incidentally, that marriage is in the IGI (with the names of both fathers).
Also what is very likely to be Ann's christening:
Ann TUNNALY bap 10 Aug 1834, Saint Alkmund Derby Derby, parents Samuel TUNNALY and Patience.
And the following other children to the same parents, same parish:
Thomas TUNNALLY bap 28 Feb 1836
Sarah TUNALEY bap 7 Oct 1838, died 21 Feb 1840
Jane TUNALEY bap 5 Apr 1840
The above are all extracted entries. There is also an LDS submission for the marriage of the parents:
Samuel TUNALEY m Patience PAGE 27 May 1833.
And possibly Samuel's christening (extracted entries):
Samuel TUNALEY bap 24 Oct 1810 All Saints Derby Derby, parents Thomas TUNALEY and Elizabeth
Etc.
Pigot's Directory of Derbyshire 1835 at:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Pigot1835/dbyderby.html
includes under DYERS a Thomas TUNALEY of Tenant St and a Thomas TUNALEY jr of Derwent St.
JAP
PS: The 1851 census entry for Samuel, Patience, Ann etc is at:
http://www.tunaley.com/Census%201851.htm
The 1841 census is also on the site.
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Hi Kev,
I think that the second address is Eagle Place, not sure about the entry above Bachelor though! ???
It does look like his profession is Fire Man and I think that the father's names are Joseph and Samuel, the occupations are Dyer and possibly Miner.
Mick :)
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I've been concentrating on the word written above Bachelor.
Could it be Yeoman ?
It doesn't look as if it's crossed out ??? (Would it not have been initialed).The writing looks somehow different to the rest of the script. .I was going to say written with more care ::) but it looks as if he a funeral to attend after the event. ;D
Well done JAP :D good work.
Patricia
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It looks much more like a word crossed out. Anyway I doubt there were grades or types of bachelor.
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Just has a quick Google and found 2 references to Yeoman Bachelors
http://www.bapchild.info/pages/page.asp?i_PageID=571&i_ToolbarID=21822 Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837 Volume 35 Folio 164
Robert Lake of Bapchild Yeoman Bachelor & Mercy Lake of the same Spinster. 06 Feb 1822.
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/CornwallStrays2.html
Linkinhorne - 4 Jan 1830
John Jeffery Yeoman Bachelor & Ann Jeffery of Black Torrington in Co Devon
Patricia :)
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Surely 'Yeoman' in those entries is not a descriptor of 'Bachelor'
but rather the occupation of the groom (i.e. Yeoman) followed
by his marital status (i.e. Bachelor) - noting the usual lack of puctuation.
The word on the marriage certificate here looks to me more as
though it has been scored through. I guess the obvious thing is
that the occupation was written in the marital condition column in error
and then scored through and the marital condition entered instead.
Admittedly the first letter doesn't look like the 'F' in Fireman - but there
seems little consistency in the writing throughout.
JAP
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The word on the marriage certificate here looks to me more as
though it has been scored through. I guess the obvious thing is
that the occupation was written in the marital condition column in error
and then scored through and the marital condition entered instead.
Admittedly the first letter doesn't look like the 'F' in Fireman - but there
seems little consistency in the writing throughout.
I did take that view but, no way could I see the word Fire man,as written in the occupation column;even crossed through.
He may just have been a chap who liked uniforms ::)
Found this reference on Chambers Dictionary
yeoman noun (yeomen) 1 historical a farmer who owned and worked his own land, often serving as a foot-soldier when required. 2 military a member of the yeomanry (sense 2).
ETYMOLOGY: 14c as yoman; perhaps from earlier yongman young man.
yeomanry noun (yeomanries) 1 historical the class of land-owning farmers. 2 a volunteer cavalry force formed in the 18c, now mechanized and forming part of the Territorial Army.
So perhaps he was in the T.A. of its day ???
Patricia
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Sorry to contradict much of this interesting speculation but that column was to indicate only the marital status of the person - nothing to do with occupation. The number of such statuses was few - Bachelor, Spinster, Widower, Widow.
Anything else written in that space was erroneous. It is doubtful that there is any useful information to be gained by speculating on what error was made.
Apart from that if he was a Fireman he certainly was not a Yeoman in the sense of being a landowner and if he was a member of a Yeomanry Militia that had nothing to do with his occupation which was simply the way in which he made a living.
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Lord Hack, you've lost me.
You are surely not suggesting that someone recording marriage details was incapable of getting things out of kilter! That is, of starting (erroneously) to write the occupation in the marital condition column! Then, realizing his error, scoring through what he had written and continuing accurately!
Fireman, of course, could have been an occupation in many places of work. It might have been a firefighter but more likely to have been a person in charge of a furnace - in a train, a ship, or almost anywhere.
As for the writing - this chap wrote everything almost any which way!
Cheers,
JAP
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Hi
So many of you have helped me so much, THANK YOU!!
I think the street is Exeter Place I think this runs off of Derwent street, what do you think?
I went to the Tunaley web site and found loads of details about my Tunaley ancestors. Mr Tunaley is related to me .........Poor Guy!
Again thank you all BRILLIANT!
Kev Walker
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I went to the Tunaley web site and found loads of details about my Tunaley ancestors. Mr Tunaley is related to me .........Poor Guy!
Ah, but the crucial question is.
WAS HE A YEOMAN ??? ;D
Patricia
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Hi Kev,
Well, I guess Exeter Place is highly likely! Being, as you say, off Derwent St - as can be seen on Street Map UK! That scribe certainly has much to answer for in his writing! There is an Eagle Street in Derby but I think that Exeter Pl is very much more likely!
And I'm so very very glad that the Tunaley website I referred you to has turned out to be totally relevant!
As Marcus TUNALEY (the "poor guy"!!) says on his site, he thinks that all TUNALEYs are related! Which seems very likely indeed.
And, as you've no doubt seen, many of the TUNALEYs were Dyers.
Have lots and lots and lots of fun.
All the very best,
JAP
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i have viewed the parish records for St Alkmunds at the Derby Local Studies Library, and the column with condition as to marriage just has Bachelor in it no other words, the crossed out word appears to be just a mistake by the person filling out the copy to send to the GRO, the occupations Dyer and Miner are right and Derwent Street, the other that could be Exeter Place is unclear, but it is not Eagle. the bride and grooms signatures are both different hand writing to the rest, so i think this is the one they signed, unlike the one from the gro, which will be a copy hence the mistake and crossed out word in the column.
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Thank you for putting us out of our misery ;D
Glad you got to see the original.
Patricia :)
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Thanks Alvaston Lad, that clears everything up. ;D
Kev