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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: cassarilda on Thursday 25 May 06 04:56 BST (UK)
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Im sending off a request for a birth certificate to the Irish Civil Registration Office, and I was wondering if it would be ok to put a small year range for the birth year?
My grandmother was married in 1939, apparently at age 19, giving her birth year to be either 1919 or 1920...
On my dads birth certificate, we worked out her birth year to be around 1922...
SO... would they still look if I write down 1919-1921?
Ive only got her name, fathers name, and mothers possible initials... and also we THINK she was born in Dublin... thats all the information we have, and I desperately want to send off this order, but Ive been holding off thinking i dont have enough details.
Can anyone give me a hand or opinion please?
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Cassarilda,
If the GRO in Roscommon cannot find the cert in the year you specify, they usually search only one year either side, making a total of three years.
I know this for I've had many 'unfound' slips sent to me over the past years! (And it has the date range searched written on it).
However they can stretch things when they've a mind to, for they recently sent me a cert for 1894 when I asked them to search in 1899 - perhaps they had a quiet moment which I imagine is not often. If I were you, I would briefly explain why you need the range of dates searched and hope that they have the time to do it.
Good luck
Leofric
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see www.ulsterancestry.com/documents/ for a service to find birth,death and marriage certificates in Northern Ireland with little or incomplete information.
the fee is £9 plus the cost of the cert.
Rab :)
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see www.ulsterancestry.com/documents/ for a service to find birth,death and marriage certificates in Northern Ireland with little or incomplete information.
the fee is £9 plus the cost of the cert.
Rab :)
Hi Rab,
(I hope you don't mind me asking in this in your thread cassarilda )
I notice that you seem to recommend that site a lot , have you used them? If so, could you tell me how their services differ from the N.Ireland GRO . Also how quick is their service? (which is important to me;the customer care and speed of a company. I'm still waiting for another site to email me some indexes after 11 days of putting in my order )
The N.Ireland Gro will search a 5 year period for 5.50 (they searched 5 years for my Grandfather's birth for this price) , which is cheaper than the above site you recommended. They also search a three year period for free - ie 11 pounds for the cert and they also search a year either side of the given date/year you give them -they only charge 5.50 if they need to search 2 years either side of the given date ( ie 5yrs)
The reason why I am asking, I want to try and find a death certificate for my Great Grandfather( I need it for his given age, which his marriage cert didn't give me), and I'm debating whether to use the GRO or that site.
With the GRO I need a location of the death (" Deaths before 1922 cannot be traced if the district where the death was registered is not known" quote from the GRO) , which I'm not sure about, but I think it would most probably be in Loughconnelly
My info about his death is not 100% solid*,(*the year he died and the place of death) - My grandmother's father ( the person who I'm looking for a death for) died from a heart attack when my grandmother was *about 3, which would have been 1919, my gran was born in 1916( I stress the word "about" - my gran may have been 6 etc when he died, my mum thinks it was when she was about 3). I think he would have died in Loughconnelly, as that is where my grandmother was born, and grew up around the Broughshane area, and that is where he married.
So I'm just wondering, how that site greatly differs that much from the GRO, they both can search 5 years; GRO costs 5.50, above site costs 9 pounds - the only difference that I can see is the GRO are cheaper, and it's a free search for a three yr period with the GRO.You can also fill in the application forms for the cert's with the GRO "I think born here or it maybe here", which I did for my grandmother's birth details, and they found it.
I've looked at the above site's death cert order form and it doesn't seem to ask for the spouse's name, or age of the person,which I find odd for these following reasons ; Does that site look at all deaths and if so, how on earth can they tell which one is mine without asking for me for spouse's name( which I have) and without an age (as there are probably a few deaths registered with the same name as my G grandfather in a five year period).
If you have used the above site ;are you happy with their services, and how quick are they?
Thank you so much for any advice :)
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Hello Cell,
Yes I do recommend this company as I have used them a lot for various things,look ups at PRONI etc and they have found certificates for me that GRONI staff could not find.
Their service differs in that they will send someone along to GRONi who will spend as long as it takes to search for the certificate in question. They specialise in finding certificates where information is also very limited, such as in a marriage
"William Foster married a Mary Jane somebody, don't know the exact year (1860-1870) but may have married in Belfast"
They will do searches that GRONi will tell you they cannot do due to lack of information.
They will also do repeated searches at no additional charge if the corrert cert is not found first time round.
As to your death certificate. The spouse's name is not given on an Irish death certificate so there is no benefit in knowing it.
They must go by the name, place and approximate year of death. They like to know the age at death or a date of birth if this is known. They send out a requst for this once an order has been placed.
They also provide a Full legal certificate, not a photocopy strip.
If you want a cheap service then they are not for you but if you want a good one then they are.
They usually find and deliver their certificates (by post) within 4 weeks of placing the order.
I hope this answers your question
best regards
Rab. :)
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Thanks Rab,
I may give them a go especially for locating a birth record I'm having great trouble locating (my grandfather). I may also use their research services for finding a batism record if it is feasible.(The death of another relative;I'm ordering an index lookup with Ulsterfamily first).
The GRO couldn't find my grandfather's ( but found my gran's easily enough) birth records/cert that I ordered ( and I'm almost 100% certain of the date, I knew the person very well, knew his birthday, I know his parents names too, as my mother knew them both when she was growing up), so I may use the site if I can't find it in a index look up either with familyulster ( trouble is my grandfather has a pretty common name)
I've found some of his siblings births, but not his . I also emailed the GRO asking them if he had been registered in a different area to what I put down on the application form -would they have found it. The reply was most probably it would have been found if he was registered , and they'll search again for me, but it looks as if his birth was not registered ( which is a great probability regarding his early life history which I won't go into as too long a story )
I've yet to receive the info from the GRO regarding the results of another search for my grandfather ,which they said they will do for me to double check they had not missed it -so they've probably forgotten about me , or can't be bothered etc
Thanks for the reply
Kind regards :)
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As to your death certificate. The spouse's name is not given on an Irish death certificate so there is no benefit in knowing it.
They must go by the name, place and approximate year of death. They like to know the age at death or a date of birth if this is known. They send out a requst for this once an order has been placed.
Hi Rab
Thank YOU for answering my question regarding this subject!
I had been puzzled by the "omission" of the name spouse on the widow's death certs over years.
Kind regards
Tees