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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: pennytom on Tuesday 23 May 06 14:28 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the Wyndow family, sometimes spelt Window. from Arlingham Glos. Found them in the1881 census, and 1871, but can't find them else where
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Hi Pennytom,
Welcome to RootsChat 8)
I can see James in 1861, a servant in Arlingham.
He's a widower age 26, Cow Man, and I'm really struggling to read his birthplace.
Do you have access to census?
The reference is RG9/1770 33 7
Having a look for Emma now - or did you want to trace them forth ???
Tanja :)
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In 1861, Emma is with her parents:
Saul, Gloucestershire
Framilode
RG9/1770 4 1
Joseph Davies, head, 59, Shoe Maker, b. Gloucestershire Longney
Ann, wife, 59, b. Presperey
William, son, unm, 21, b. Longney
Emma Coleman, dau, widow, 22, b. do.
Flora Coleman, granddau, 1, b. Arlingham
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Marriage December quarter 1861
Wheatenhurst registration district
James Wyndow - Emma Coleman 6a 543
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The nearest match I see for James in 1841 is this one, at Stroud Union Workhouse:
HO107/349/13 69 11
Anne Window, 10, yes
James Window, 7, yes
George Window, 5, yes
Other 'Window's in the workhouse:
Sarah Window, 20, Female Servant, yes
Henry Window, 6 months, yes
The IGI at www.familysearch.org has the following christenings:
Ann Window 17 July 1831 Nympsfield, Gloucestershire
James Window 18 May 1834 Owlpen, Gloucestershire
George Window 29 January 1837 Horsley, Gloucestershire
Parents James Window and Eleanor for all 3.
(With a marriage James Window - Eleanor Pyler 30 Aug 1830 at Nympsfield)
Given that James states his birthplace as Horsley in 1871, I would keep these in mind.
Tanja :)
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so would you say that is James at the workhouse
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Once again thank you, you have found out so much , I was all day yesterday and found hardly anything, thanks.
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I don't really know if he's the one in the workhouse. He's just the nearest match I can see.
IF it's him, then this should be him in 1851:
HO107/1958 254 3
Nymphsfield, Gloucestershire
The Barrow
Ellen Window, head, mar, 46, Farm servant, b. Nymphsfield
James, son, 17, Agr lab, b. do.
There is a death for an Eleanor Window in March 1881, age 77, Dursley registration district, but I'm unable to trace her so far ???
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thank you will try and look into it all, thinking of going over to the records office, do you think it could help with my earches
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I'm sure somebody else will give you better advice re record offices.
I can still see him in 1901 at Arlingham - Do you already have it? RG13/2433 6 4
And 1891: RG12/2020 7 9
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thank you no i didn't have him in 1901, didn't think to put an s on the end. how long have you been doing all this, you are very good
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:) :) Thanks :)
This looks like James' first marriage:
JAMES WYNDOW - ELIZABETH GOLDING
Marriage 25 DEC 1856 Arlingham, Gloucester
Husband Age at Marriage: 22
Wife Age at Marriage: 25
With a possible death September 1857 Wheatenhurst
and their little girl dies young too :(
Athaliah Elizabeth Ann Wyndene christening 20 March 1857 Arlingham parents James Wyndene and Elizabeth
(GRO has her name as Wyndow)
Death June 1857 Wheatenhurst Athela Elizabeth Ann Wyndow
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obviously realized that emma had been married before, but not James, thanks yet again
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if you have time sometime, i have put two more postings on here one for mudway and the other for Annetts, and if you want a real challenge, my husbands in Wales is very complicated. Just can't thank you enough for today. Penny
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You probably won't need me - there are plenty of people who like challenges on here. Our Carmarthenshire Moderator Arranroots, for example, loves searching for William Jones' in Wales and things like that ;D
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I have been researching this family for some time, and you are spot on so far. The place of birth for James on the census in Arlingham which you cannot read is Nympsfield. James Window's marriage certificate to Emma Coleman says his father is called James who is a labourer. Yes, the three children in the workhouse in Stroud is them. Their mother Ellen ( Eleanor Pegler) is with her parents in Nympsfield in the 1841 census, but her age has been given as 57 instead of 37. Her parents are George and Ann (Nancy is a pet name for Ann) Pegler. Eleanor Window's death certificate says she is the widow of James Window.
Of the three children, James went to Arlingham, George died in 1848 aged 12 at Cam, and is buried in the graveyard at St Bartholomew's in Nympsfield. He fell in to a well and drowned and this was the finding of the coroner. He was a labourer at the age of 12. Ann migrated to Australia on the Branken Moor in 1849 and landed in Adelaide. There were quite a few other people from Nympsfield on board the same ship.
I have never been able to find their father James on any census. Eleanor says she is married until the 1871 census and then she gives her status as widow, so he must have died between 1861 and 1871. At the moment I think he might have belonged to a family in which all the siblings suffered epilepsy,(I have more information on this) and could have been in an asylum when the census was taken. Only the initials were given apparently, if you were in an asylum. Do you come down the line from James Jnr and are you in America or England? I am in Australia and really thrilled to find you.
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Hi there, I was really happy to get your email. Since receiving it , I have been trying to see what else I could find out, about the Pegler familly. The son James, who married Elizabeth Coleman, had a daughter Kate Elizabeth born 1863, she married a John Price,they had a son James Henry, he was my husbands grandfather. Our name is Price, and we still live about 10mins. drive from both, Arlingham and Nympsfield, in Engand. I went to the church in Nympsfield today, to see if I could find any graves for Pegler, but most of them are so old that they can't be red. We did find 4 with Poulton on though, but not clear enough to take photos, or read dates. The names on them were, William, Joseph died 12/4/1815, and Edward. Have not had time to look them up yet. Ther are lots of things I have found out, and hope to find more, so what part of the family are you interested in, and where do you fit in. My husband is over the moon to think he may have family in Australia.
Forgot to mention, I took some photos of the church for you today.
looking forward to to hearing from you.
Regards Penny
P.s. The big chunky grave on the right of the photo is the Poulton grave, although you can't see them, there are 4 in a row there.
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Hi Penny, yes it looks as though your husband is a cousin of mine. James is your husband's gr gr grandfather, and Ann (his older sister) is my gr gr grandmother!!! Is his name Tom? Tell him I'm thrilled too. I have lots of stuff I could send you. Ann Window arrived in Adelaide, South Australia in 1849 and three years later she married John Garton. Their first child, Mary Jane Garton , was born in Adelaide then they moved to a little town in Victoria right in the middle of the gold rush. Mary Jane married an American called Edmond Manners who was working as a gold miner. They had a lot of children, one of whom was my grandfather George Washington Manners. So your husband has a lot of cousins over here!! Ann Window always referred to herself as Mary Ann, and she was a lovely dear person. She always wore a little white bonnet, and white lace collar, and smoked a little clay pipe. She was a midwife of some renown. Eleanor Pegler's mother was Ann Shelton, and a beautiful site to check out for sheltons is www.jillsfamilyancestry.co.uk
I am not very computer literate so bear with me in all this. Have to be away for a day as I have to babysit in Brisbane. What is the best way to send you stuff? cheers Pauline