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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: martync on Tuesday 23 May 06 08:55 BST (UK)
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Apparently my GGUncle Herbert Swift wrote a book called "Hazelwood in the Forest of Duffield" after his retirement as the Stationmaster there. It was published in 1931 does anyone know if it's ever been reprinted or if any libraries have a copy? I'm coming up to Derbyshire on Saturday for the Family History Fair and wondered if there was any chance I'd find a copy.
Thanks,
Martyn
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Hi Martyn
There is a copy here that might still be available
http://ukbookworld.com/cgi-bin/order_enq.pl?add=johnturton%2327272
Jan ;)
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Thank you for that, I'll have a look. I tried "googling" it but found nothing. I have no idea what was meant by published, it could have been he had a 12 copies printed or there may have been a full run. I've also no idea if it's a 20 page bocklet or a full size book but I'm just curious.
All the best,
Martyn
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For another occasion Google
Out print books
Lots of sites where you can search for out of print books will then pop up
Always worth searching Amazon as well as you'll often find books you want on Marketplace
Regards Jan ;)
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Thank you Jan, I have e-mailed ukbookworld to see if they still have it. It would be interesting to see if he mentions much (anything) about his family but even if it's just about where they lived at the time they were there it would be interesting and apparently there are 70 pages to it.
Thanks again,
Martyn
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Hope it is still available - very exciting to have a book written by a family member :D
Jan ;)
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Yes I hope so it would be very interesting, I’ve had an e-mail to say that they are having a look for it in storage, I guess it may not be a hot seller these days but I’d enjoy having a copy. My old English teacher would say that it disproved genetics! She gave me a dictionary when I left school saying I should have been issued with one on the National Health, thank goodness for PC’s with spell checkers! :)
I’ll let you know if I get it and a synopsis of what it contains in case there are people that have connections to Hazelwood that may be interested in any information that it contains.
Herbert Swift sounded an interesting man he took over from his father as stationmaster at Hazelwood. His father Anthony was the first Stationmaster there and 24 years later when he died Anthony took over for the next 40 years during which time he also set up a coal merchant business adjoining the station and apparently when milk deliveries were stopped to the area he set up shipments on the trains. He apparently had four management cadets train under him two of which either headed or were very high up in Midland Railways and at least one was knighted. He wrote the book after he retired. His three brothers also worked for Midland / LMS Railways including Andrew that after other stations ended as the Worksworth Stationmaster. Another Brother, Anthony, ended up as a Stationmaster at Ashchurch near Tewkesbury and when I moved down here I used to have a house a few hundred yards from the station without realising that I had any family connections down here. Two of their sisters married railway men and just one daughter was a rebel and had no railway connections but she ended up married to a gamekeeper just outside Cheltenham where I now work, small world!
All the best,
Martyn
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:) I've just got off the phone with the book shop and they did still have it and they said they will post it first class tomorrow so it should arrive on Friday or Saturday while I'm up in Buxton at the Family History Fair, looks like this weekend could be a good one for looking into my Derbyshire roots!
Thanks for the help.
Martyn
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That's great Martyn :D
Hope to get up to Wirksworth sometime to explore my Allsopps.
Regards Jan ;)
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Hi Jan,
Thanks for the web address the book was waiting for me when I got home from work today. It is very interesting to me and has a lot of information about people who had lived in Hazelwood and the farms around it.
I will visit the Church yard at Hazelwood during my visit to Derbyshire tomorrow to see if he is buried there, I feel sure he will be. I would then know when he died and if the book is still covered by copyright. If it's not I may well scan it and put it up on the Internet so that people looking for information about people who lived in Hazelwood prior to 1931 could look them up. Meantime if anyone has a relative that may be covered post a message and I'll see if I can find them.
All the best,
Martyn
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;D ;D ;D
Best wishes
Jan
Nice idea about putting it on the internet if possible
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I've just found what I am sure is "my" Herbert's death and it was in the last quarter of 1941 so that means 2012 before I could scan it without risking an angry cousin saying I broke their copyright on the first meeting! But I'll gladly do look ups if anyone people are researching were mentioned in the book, just let me know.
All the best,
Martyn
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That's great Martyn :D
Hope to get up to Wirksworth sometime to explore my Allsopps.
Regards Jan ;)
Hi Jan,
You did not have a W.H. Allsopp in your family that may have been a publican did you? I've now made the book into a searchable pdf file and put Allsopp in it and found a list of the landlords of the "Puss in Boots" Inn in the parish of Windley and W.H. Allsopp was listed. Apparently it was known as "The Cat" to locals and was near the Hazelwood railway station on the boarder between the Hazelwood and Windley parishes. There isn't any more about W.H. Allsop but a bit quite a bit about the history of the Inn so if there is a connection let me know and I'll send it to you.
All the best,
Martyn
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Hi Martyn
Thanks for the offer - I haven't come across WH Allsopp, although he could well be linked in a sideways fashion as my 5xgreat grandfather was an innkeeper in Wirksworth and did pass the trade down but not in my direct line. Will let you know if the Cat does turn up in my research.
Cheers Jan ;)
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Dear Martyn,
I wonder if you would mind looking for any mentions of the surname PAYNE in your book, please? I know there were PAYNEs living in Hazelwood in the 9th Century, and although they are not closely connected with my lot from Newton Solney & Church Gresley, I'm still holding out for the discovery of a distant link at some stage. Many thanks for the offer.
Regards and best wishes,
Brett Payne
Tauranga, New Zealand
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Hello Brett,
There is not a huge amount in the book going further back that the 17th century. The only entry I could find for a Payne was that a Pte. R. Payne is remembered at the Memorial Hall as one of the 25 men of the village that lost their lives in World War I. It brings it home how many people died in that war when you see a small village like Hazelwood lost 25 men.
I don't know if this man was linked to your family but good luck in your hunt.
All the best,
Martyn
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Dear Martyn,
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to look this up for me. I'm not sure if he's related either, but it may well end up being one of those pieces of the puzzle that all fit together in due course. I'm very grateful.
Regards and best wishes, Brett
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Could you tell me if there is any mention of an Allen family in your book? My ancestor Joseph was born in Hazelwood about 1774 & the family later moved to Duffield
Many thanks
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Could you tell me if there is any mention of an Allen family in your book? My ancestor Joseph was born in Hazelwood about 1774 & the family later moved to Duffield
Many thanks
Hi
There is a Thomas Allen mentioned in the "Award of the Inclosure Comissioners in 1791, Showing Ancient Inclosures and Allotments in Chevin and Belper Wards of Duffield Forest." The Entries say he was awarded Ancient Inclosures A.1 R. 0 P. 28 Allotments A.0 R.0 P. 35 Total A.2 R.1 P.23 I have not quite worked out what these mean yet when I have a chance I'll read around the table and see if it gives more information.
He is also mentioned as paying £1/2/11 in rates.
Is Thomas liable to be linked to your Allens?
All the best,
Martyn
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Thanks for that, Martyn. I have heard of a Thomas Allen before, would like to think he is the previous generation but will have to investigate further. Anything else you come up with would be interesting, but I know it's a long time ago.
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Hi if you come accross the name Powlson, they could be connected to me. I have a Stephen Powlson born about 1811 in Duffield. There are others, but he is the furtherst I have found. With thanx, Lynn
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Hello Lynn,
Sorry I have done a search through the book and not found any Powlsons in the book.
All the best with your searches,
Martyn
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Hiya Martyn, thanx for looking you are a star. Lynn
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Hello Martin , I was surfing the net looking for LMS info, there is to be a book out called Railway Ancestors and I was looking into buying a copy for my father and found you.I am Colette York ( nee Swift ) the great Grandaughter of Herbert Swift who wrote the book you are interested in ( I have a copy)My father Colin Swift , my Aunt Aileen and their cousin Susan and myself have kept up the family tree researched by Herbert when he retired, Susan employed a researcher who traced our family back to 1590. I have quite a bit of information about the family and photo's including letter written to Anthony Swift ( your ancestor?) by the Director's of The LMS during the 1911 & 1926 General Strikes. I assume you are a descendant of this Gt Gt Uncle "Tant" ( died 26.05.38) who married Catherine Land. I understand my fathers Aunt Dorothy lodged with his family while attending Tewkesbury High School, I have a drawing by her in my home. After living in Sussex for 11 years we located back to Nottinghamshire 2 years ago , and hope to spend more time on all parts of my family tree , now my children have left home. Most of our branch is well documented , my father was recently in touch with the Ollerenshaw family descended from Sarah Ann Swift Tant's sister. The only loose end seems to be Tants Aunt Sarah 17.08.1813-11.07.1845 who marreid a man called William Sim/ms and is buried in Pine Creek Salem Fulton Arkansas USA , I tried to find information about her - posting on USA family tree websites a few years ago but was unsuccesful. Anyway if you are interested in having copies of any information I have - let me know via this site
Best wishes
Colette
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Hello Colette,
It would be great to get in contact, I have sent you a private message. I am a Great Grandson of Arthur Swift, Herbert's youngest brother. You have got much further back in the Family history than I have I got stuck going further back than Herberts Grandfather.
Best regards,
Martyn
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Martyn, are Bacon's mentioned in the book, they were nail makers?. Thank You, Bodger
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Thanks for the e-mail I will gladly send you copies of any information I have , it would be easiest for me to scan my copies and send to you by post. However I also write for the Mass Observation Archive and am busy doing my work for that at present ( funnily enough- this current subject is Family History!) aside from my paid employment! and am going on holiday soon. After that I will endeavour to sort through my Swift papers and send you copies. my email is colette.york@btinternet.com if you wish to contact me .
regards
Colette
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Hello Bodger,
Sorry no I can't find a reference to the Bacon's in there :(.
Sorry,
Martyn
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Tank you for the reply. Bodger
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looking for people who lived in hazelwood,by name of STUART.STEWART AND HENDON,HENDEN, ANY SPELLING OF BOTH SURNAMES.
thank you.Diane.
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Hello Diane,
Sorry but I did not find entries for these people in the book. I hope you have better luck with other lookups.
All the best
Martyn