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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: mnmilt on Sunday 21 May 06 00:03 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to determine whether there is a link between the Foord families of Ninfield and Westham. I know little about the Ninfield Foords. Thomas Foord m Lydia Beeching and amongst their offspring were James Foord. James took part in the Battle of Sidley Green and was transported to Australia. James was married to Hannah Milham.
My line starts with William and Elizabeth Foord. William died in 1819 in Westham. I have no record of William's birth or marriage. William and Elizabeth had 9 children, one of whom was Orpah Foord (my direct line is through Edward Foord, a son of William and Elizabeth). Orpah Foord married Samuel Banks in 1823 and died in 1830. Samuel remarried in 1836, to Hannah Milham (the widow of James Foord). It would seem coincidental that Samuel Banks had links to two independent Foord families. Perhaps Orpah Foord was in some way related to James Foord.
Does anybody have any information that may link the Foords of Ninfield and Westham?
Regards
Mark Milton
Belmont, MA, USA
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Hi,
I have a burial list for Ninfield graveyard. I will pick out all the Fords and Foords to see if they can be of any help to you.
Mary Ann Ford burial Ninfield 22nd March 1880 aged 56
Florence Maria Ford burial Ninfield 15th July 1881 aged 3
Caroline Elizabeth Ford burial Ninfield 6th Jan 1884 aged 14
Henry Ford burial Ninfield 3rd April 1884 aged 76
Sarah Harriet Ford burial Ninfield 14th Aug 1884 aged 20
James Foord (living Ore, Hastings) buried Ninfield 4th Apr 1896 aged 78
George Foord, buried Ninfield 23 Apr 1897 aged 85
Harriett Foord buried Ninfield 23rd Apr 1897 aged 85
Rhoda Ford living in Hailsham, buried Ninfield July 1900 aged 79
Thomas Ford, living Moons Hill, buried Ninfield 15th July 1904 aged 78
William Ford, The Green, Buried Ninfield, 9th Mar 1907 aged 62
Louisa Edith Ford, living Beaconsfiled Terrace, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 2nd Feb 1909, aged 60
Elsie Lilian Ford, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 7th July 1915, aged 26
James Ford, buried Ninfield21st July 1917, aged 85
Alfred Ford, lived 155, Station Rd, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 21st June 1917, aged 72
Eliza Foord, late Ninfield, living at 40, Frederick Rd, Hastings, buried 19th Apr 1926 aged 64
The burials list covers June 1878 to March 1931
I hope that some of these names might help you. I wonder what the two who died on the same day died of. Looking at the plan they are buried right by a couple of my Pook relatives. When I have time later in the week I'll look at some photos to see if your potential realtives are included in them.
I'd better get down to what I should really be doing. I'm far too easily distracted!
Best wishes
Brigcs
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Hi Brigcs,
Many thanks for the information. Unfortunately, none of these people can be linked to my Foords of Westham. The information was most useful nonetheless. I can link almost all of the people to their families:
Mary Ann Ford burial Ninfield 22nd March 1880 aged 56
Florence Maria Ford burial Ninfield 15th July 1881 aged 3
Daughter of Alfred and Louisa Ford
Caroline Elizabeth Ford burial Ninfield 6th Jan 1884 aged 14
Daughter of Tilden and Sarah Ford
Henry Ford burial Ninfield 3rd April 1884 aged 76
Husband of Sarah Ford.
It is possible that this is the Henry Foord that was involved in the smuggling that lead to the Battle of Sidley Green
Sarah Harriet Ford burial Ninfield 14th Aug 1884 aged 20
Daughter of Tilden and Sarah Ford
James Foord (living Ore, Hastings) buried Ninfield 4th Apr 1896 aged 78
George Foord, buried Ninfield 23 Apr 1897 aged 85
Harriett Foord buried Ninfield 23rd Apr 1897 aged 85
George Foord was born in about 1819 in Sedlescombe and died in Jun Q 1897 in Hailsham District.
Harriett Foord was born in about 1812 in Ninfield and died in Jun Q 1897 in Hailsham District.
Harriett was previously married to William Duke.
Rhoda Ford living in Hailsham, buried Ninfield July 1900 aged 79
Thomas Ford, living Moons Hill, buried Ninfield 15th July 1904 aged 78
Husband of Rosa Ford
William Ford, The Green, Buried Ninfield, 9th Mar 1907 aged 62
Husband of Ellen Ford. Son of Henry and Sarah Ford.
Louisa Edith Ford, living Beaconsfiled Terrace, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 2nd Feb 1909, aged 60
Wife of Alfred Ford. Mother of Elsie Ford
Elsie Lilian Ford, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 7th July 1915, aged 26
Daughter of Alfred and Louisa Ford
James Ford, buried Ninfield21st July 1917, aged 85
Father of Eliza Foord. Husband of Elizabeth Foord. Son of Henry and Sarah Ford.
Alfred Ford, lived 155, Station Rd, Bexhill, buried Ninfield 21st June 1917, aged 72
Husband of Louisa Ford. Father of Elsie Lillian Ford. Son of Henry and Sarah Foord.
Eliza Foord, late Ninfield, living at 40, Frederick Rd, Hastings, buried 19th Apr 1926 aged 64
Daughter of James Ford
Regards
Mark
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Hi Mark
I am researching the Foords at Ninfield. My 3xGrt Grandfather Levi Ford was brother to James the smuggler. I have an Edward Foord m Elizabeth Miller 25June1784. Elizabeth had a son Edward Ford Miller Bpt Dec 16 1781. obviously pre marriage ninfied. After had John &Mary Edward Senior was the son of James and Mary.There is a William Foord bpt 31 Oct 1790 s Thomas nd Lydia, but haven`t followed it through anymore. there was a William Ford in Hollington nr Hastings who m Elizabeth Lidden of Westham 29-05-1660. Too early but may be connected. Samual Banks had a daughter Charlotte in 1851 Census says she was deaf and dumb. They were all living at Vicarage House Pevensey.Hannah a laundress. Samuel an Ag Lab. Do you know how old William was when he died 1819? Sorry no definite connections, will contact you if anything else appears. I live about half a mile away from Sidley Green, so have been very interested. If I can help anymore please let my know. Doris Farrer
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What happened a Sidley Green?It looks such a quiet place now!
Brigcs
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In early Jan 1828, the Little Common Gang were indulging in the fine old Sussex art of smuggling when a group of blockademen tried to intercept them. In the ensuing melee, a Quartermaster from HMS Hyperion, fell dead. Several of the smugglers were captured and tried at the Old Bailey. They were sentenced to death but the sentence was commuted to Transportation to Australia.
A far better description of the events can be found at http://www.whenham.net.
Click on the link for Sidley Green.
Some more information can be found under reference code HASMG.46 (Smuggling on the Sussex Coast) on www.a2a.org.uk.
Details of the trial can be found at the Old Bailey website
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/html_units/1820s/t18280410-3.html
It took just over 3 months to go from the incident to the trial.
Regards
Mark
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Hi Mark
I'm a descendant of James Foord's eldest son, John Ford(1816 - 1901) - and most (if not all) of John's descendants live in Australia.
In 1997, two very distant family members produced a family history, FORDing the Generations - but I only collected a copy of it last week (because I've only recently returned to the area where most of the family lives).
The family researchers have done a brilliant job - and, even though some early siblings are referred to and followed to a degree, James is the only offspring of Thomas and Lydia whose story is outlined.
My great grandmother was James Foord's grand-daughter - so the Ford surname disappeared from my family fairly early.
The preface to FORDing the Generations indicates that there was an earlier history about people from Sussex - Sussex Born - Aussie Bred - a book that the family researchers may have - and which may have info useful to you.
Although the family researchers are strangers to me, I will try to track them down for the info that you are seeking, if you wish (ie if you are still pursuing this matter after all these years).
FYI: James Foord died 2 months after he arrived in Australia -and his wife didn't marry again until 7 years after he left England - so perhaps he was presumed dead rather than known to be dead.
Cheers - Helen
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Hi HGRich / Mark,
Does your knowledge extend to Ringmer Foord's?
Would love to hear from you if it does.
Spark
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Hi Spark
I contacted my sister-in-law who does family research - but, as this isn't my area of research, I can't verify the following info - but it may identify a line for you to pursue.
It appears that there is a close link between the Ringmer Foords and Mark's ancestor, Edward Foord - and they are very distantly related to James Foord.
Mark indicates that his line starts with William (b 1775) and Elizabeth Foord of Westham - and his line seems to be (but please check info if you can - and please appreciate that any typos are duplicated here):
From William's parents:
John Foord (b 1742) and Judith Wellar (b 1740) of Ringmer
Thomas Foord (b 1703) and Mary Weller of Ringmer
Thomas Foord (b 1667) and Anne Hover of Ringmer
Thomas Foord (b 1640) and Marey (?) of Eastbourne
Nicholas Foord (27 October 1605) and Joanne Grinte of Eastbourne
Mark's family descends from Nicholas and Joanne's son, Thomas (b 1640 or 1645), and my family (ie that of James Foord) descends from their eldest son, Jerimiah (b 1627).
Nicholas' parents were:
George Afford (b 1556) and Joanne Putland (b 1570) of Herstmonceux
Richard Afford (b 1530) and Alice (?) of Herstmonceux
and then the line peters out with:
Mr Afford (b 1505) of Herstmonceux.
I hope that this info proves to be helpful.
Cheers - Helen
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Hi Helen,
Thanks for the info, my lineage is not tracked that far back yet!
Frances Foord Bap 27 Dec 1789 Ringmer d/o Isaac Foord (Bap 1July1762 Isfield (unconfirmed)) who married Elizabeth Fielder (Bap 16Feb1766 Framefield (unconfirmed). Marriage 29Sep 1787 Ringmer.
Thanks
Spark
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Hi Spark
Frances and Isaac are names that appear in my family, so I checked with my sister-in-law again - but none of them is your Frances and Isaac.
It is so sensible of you to confirm the info before you include it in your family tree.
I am very fortunate, because other family members have put in the time and $ to do the work for me - and they have verified the info by going to the primary sources - very hard yakka. (I prefer the work that I have to do to maintain 460 acres of dry sclerophyll forest.)
PS re Mr Afford: He was John Afford (1505) and his wife was Alice (1509) of Herstmonceux.
Happy hunting.
Cheers - Helen
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Have you come across an Edith Foord who might have married an Arthur Osbourne (Osborne)in the 1890s
Ringrose
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Hi Ringrose,
Does not appear on my sparsely populated tree. Sorry.
Spark
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Hi, I don't know if anyone can help me find the parents of an Anne Ford/Forde born about 1752 in Ringmer. Any help would be appreciated. Poppyann
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There is an Anne d. Thomas & Mary FORD bapt at Ringmer 5 Apr 1752.
She is the 6th of 7 children of Thomas & Mary FORD bapt at Ringmer between 1738 & 1755 in what looks like a regular sequence.
There may be more children - Thomas & Mary's marriage is not in Ringmer.
CAVEAT. FORD, in its many variants, is the commonest Ringmer surname from the 17th century to the 1970s (when SMITH & JONES leapt past it). Neither Thomas, Mary nor Anne are uncommon. There is what appears (from children's names) a different Thomas FORD with a wife Mary deported backwards and forwards between Ringmer & isfield in the 1740s.
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I am in australia and have been doing a family tree recently.
I have an Elizabeth foord born in 1710 married a William Stoneham in 1730 in Ninfield, Sussex.
Have you found out Elizabeth's parents names because this could help with working it out...
Hopefully you get the answer your looking for.
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I found a marriage for a Thomas Ford and a Mary Weller 16/3/1737 in Wartling but this is the only one I have found. I didn't know they had that many children, I only had William 1750, Anne 1752 and Charles 1755. Regards Poppyann
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Hello,
My ancestors are the Foord family of Bexhill in the 18 teens and 20s William Foord (Ford) and wife Jane (Bryant?) moved from Brede to Bexhill around 1815. Children: Thomas was baptized 1814 in Brede, the rest were baptized at Bexhill. William 1817, John Charity 1818, Edward 1821, James 1822 (my great great grandfather), Jane 1825, Matilda 1827, Philadelphia 1829. I had wondered how my Foords are related to the Foords that were sent to Australia after the Sidley Green hubub in 1828, my Foords lived there at the time and I have dna matches with the descendants of the famous Foords that were sent to Australia. William and all of his clan set sail from Rye in 1835 aboard the Brig Socrates. I have a few articles of when the Brig arrived in the states. Some people were apparently upset over the boatload of poor englishmen that arrived, later articles refuted the first saying they were all upstanding folks. Any help on this Foord line would be appreciated.
Shawn Ford