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Just received this marriage certificate today and I'm a bit puzzled as to why the Bride's father's details are blank - any ideas? I don't know who he was, I was hoping the certificate would give me a clue!
Whilst I'm at it -
Is John Douglas' father William? (bit difficult to read)
What is the word before Eglingham for John's place of residence?
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Just received this marriage certificate today and I'm a bit puzzled as to why the Bride's father's details are blank - any ideas? I don't know who he was, I was hoping the certificate would give me a clue!
I'd guess because he was unknown as it would have given deceased and occupation if dead
Whilst I'm at it -
Is John Douglas' father William? (bit difficult to read)
What is the word before Eglingham for John's place of residence?
I'd agree William, and the place is Surrey?
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I know of someone who refused to have the father's details on the marriage certificate because they very strongly did not want him included - it is always a possibility although I'd agree it's perhaps more likely that the details were not known - at least they didn't make a father up and put you completely off course!
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Surrey was frequently spelled as "Surry" until relatively recently. The other matters are more than adequately dealt with by other replies. 8)
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Well I don't think it's Surrey - don't know what it is though :P
The first letter isn't formed like the S in Spinster - and Eglingham is in Northumberland ? Although there is an Egham in Surrey I'm not convinced a miner would have found a lot of employment ???
I found Mary in Eglingham in 1881 with her grandparents if that helps :)
Helen
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Looks like marriage took place in Northumberland so guess that's where they were living.
Nanny Jan
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I notice at the top of the cert it says Alnwick, Have a look at this Link
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Eglingham/index.html
Colette
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I found Mary in Eglingham in 1881 with her grandparents if that helps :)
Helen
OOOOh yes please!
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hi Spook
I lied - it was her grandfather, her Aunt and herself ::)
1881 - Northumberland - Ditchburn RG11/5124 Folio 73 Page 2
Ditchburn East
William Dunn - Head - wid - 60 - Ag Lab - born Ireland
Margret Dunn - Daughter - Unm - 26 - Ag Lab - born Learchild ???, Northumberland
Mary Dunn - Granddaughter - Unm - 17 - Ag Lab - born Eglingham Hill.
There's a Douglas family at the bottom of the page -
George (66) - shepherd
Thomas -son (30) - shepherd
Eliza -daughter in law -(33)
George -son (23) mole catcher ;D
both sons born in Ditchburn
wonder if Mary met John when he was visiting rellies? ;)
Helen
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The placename seems to be very clearly Tarry, which is just to the north of Eglingham.
Adrian
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Hiya,
I think the place reads Tarry. There was a Tarry colliery in Eglingham, so that would tie in with the mining occupation.
Have a look at this website
www.keystothepast.info/durhamcc/k2p.nsf/k2psettlementlist?readform&letter=E
Scroll down to Eglingham, click on that name and it will take you to a history of Eglingham. I think it mentions Tarry in the write up. I think you can click on the name 'Tarry', and then it should take you to a page with an option to view a map. If you click that link it will open another window with the map. You should be able to then choose to view a historical version of that map, and you get a choice of year ranges.
I hope it helps!
Jacdee
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This looks like William Dunn & family in 1871 (possibly)
Northumberland/Whittingham
RG10/5193 Fol 43, page 14
Eslington H Hill
William (50) Farm labourer - Ireland
Bridget (55) Labourers wife - Ireland
Margaret -daughter (15) born Edlingham
William -son (14) born Edlingham
Robt -son (10) born Eglingham
Margt -daughter(7) born Alnwick *
and lodging with them? --- Errel Douglas 50 - born Ireland.
(what with all the Eslington, Edlingham and Eglingham I'm getting a headache!)
* definitely looks like Margt on census although she is right age for Mary? I may be wrong (quite usually am) but I think I read somewhere that the name Mary Margaret was considered a different name to Mary.........
I think I need to find them in 1861 if I can.
Helen
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Thanks everyone, although I perhaps should've said it was in Northumberland :-X
Helen, I think you're on the right track as the family lore suggests Mary came from Ireland - she didn't obviously but the family would appear to have done so.
Mole catcher! ;D
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Mole catcher! ;D
I know - ;D
Really hope this is your family - just for that occupation ;)
Helen
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Hi Spook
Have sent you email.
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Just received this marriage certificate today and I'm a bit puzzled as to why the Bride's father's details are blank - any ideas? I don't know who he was, I was hoping the certificate would give me a clue!
Whilst I'm at it -
Is John Douglas' father William? (bit difficult to read)
What is the word before Eglingham for John's place of residence?
Hello,
No-one seems to have answered your first question. The usual reason why the father's part is left blank is because the person was illegitimate.
Yours
Vicwinann
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No father's shown probably because the father was unknown or her mother did not want to divulge his name.