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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: DS on Wednesday 17 May 06 14:19 BST (UK)
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Hi.
On the 1881 census there are two members of a family (one male and one female) described as Assistant Leichner Engineer. They lived in Moss Side, Manchester at that time.
Can anyone, please, enleichner, sorry, enlighten me as to what this occupation entailed ?
DS
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Hi
On Googling Leichner...it is a stage make up, began in 1878 by Ludwig Leichner.
??? ??? ???
Bryan.
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Thanks Bryan for that information.
So the job title could possibly be an early name for a make up artist in a theatre (say) or it might just refer to someone who worked in a factory that produced the Leichner products ?
On the “Google” link it does not say on the English pages where Ludwig Leichner started his business in 1878 but it does indicate that the company registered its name in England in 1929.
There is ,however, a link to a German web page http://www.leichner-kosmetik.de/index.htm?http://www.leichner-kosmetik.de/xaranshop_28.htm and this appears to give a lot of information about him.
Sadly, neither I nor my computer can translate this page but we can pick out certain words like Berlin and Paris. We cannot find any reference, though, to Moss Side.
This may suggest that there was not a factory producing Leichner products in that area (or, indeed, anywhere in England). In which case, the more likely job description seems to be related to using the products rather than making them.
Unless anyone can fault my logic, I will proceed for now on this assumption.
DS
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Hi DS,
Have you had a look at the actual image? Your 2 are the only persons in the whole of England and Wales to have this occupation, as you may have noticed. I couldn't tell what the image actually says, but I somehow think 'Leichner' is a transcriber's guess ::)
Tanja :)
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I'm with Tanja on this one. These are the children of an Independent Minister and the siblings are medical student, governess, analytical chemist. Some how make-up doesn't quite fit in there for me :)
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Thanks Gardener.
Having now looked at the original image I agree that it is very difficult to decipher the word that the transcriber guesses to be "Leichner".
Whatever it is, there do not appear to have been many of them around at the time of the census.
On the same lines, does the top entry really say "Independent Minister" ?
That is not what the transcriber guessed for that one (he/she went for "Interest of Money"). I thought my handwriting was bad ...
Thanks for getting involved
DS
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Thanks Gardener.
On the same lines, does the top entry really say "Independent Minister" ?
That is not what the transcriber guessed for that one (he/she went for "Interest of Money"). I thought my handwriting was bad ...
Don't shoot the transcriber :) I looked back at the '71 and '61 to see what the father did. I think that is what it said there.
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Could you post a copy on here ??? Or give the names and dates of the people involved, so that more of us can help.
Patricia :)
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Hi Patricia,
It's the Parkinson family
RG11/3940 114 81
Henry W Parkinson age 27 born Rochdale Lancashire and living at 203 Lloyd Street Moss Side
Tanja :)
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Okeydokey.
1871
Castleton,Rochdale
176 Milurow(?) Road,Hope Terrace
Henry W Parkinson,head,m,45,independant minister,Russia
Jane ditto,wife,m,44,Henwesswell, Suffolk
Emily ditto,dau,u,16,Rochdale,Lancs
Edith H ditto,dau,u,15,ditto
Arthur W ditto,son,9,scholar,ditto
Basil J ditto,son,5,ditto,ditto
Cyril G ditto,son,2,ditto
Sarah A Beach,serv,21,domestic servant,Long Buckley, Northhamtonshire
RG10/4115-91
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It is Jane who is living on interest of money in 1881: head widow.
What do you make of the addendum by Edith's age?
mil (short for milliner?)
or maybe nil ??
I think it is the latter - indicating that the engineer should be noted next to her brother, but that she was not employed
A ;)
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Think you are most likely right Arranroots.
I did wonder if the funny word was meant to be Zeichner and that he was a sort of technical draughtsman but I couldn't find anything to support that either (or these folk in 1891).
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There were 57 engineers in Moss Side and none of their occupations looks remotely like LEICHNER.
I have surmised that the statistician couldn't read it either, as the occupation is circled in pencil. This only happens with one other engineer - and I can't read that one either!! ;D
Closest similar occupations: printer (ends in -er) or mechanical
There are all sorts of employers locally, including canal engineers, locomotive engineers, engineers in the mills... you name it.
...or they could be making make-up... ;D
Any idea what became of Henry - I can't find him in later censuses either!?
A ;)
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Its a LACHNER ENGINEER
These where machines that where used in turning and molding wood.
I knew when I saw this post yesterday the "name " sort of rang a bell. My Dad was an engineer and I recall seeing one being used. It's a bit like a Jig saw that cuts out molded shapes.
Patricia ;)
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Thank goodness someone knows! ;D I was facing a sleepless night :-[
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Thanks to everyone who joined in the quest to find an answer for me.
I have never seen so many stars all together in one place.
DS
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Thats a pleasure. 8)
Could you do something for me now?
Please could you help me and go to
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,156255.msg725721.html#msg725721
and leave a message of support even if your research does not involve Ireland.
Thank you
Patricia
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Its a LACHNER ENGINEER
These where machines that where used in turning and molding wood.
I knew when I saw this post yesterday the "name " sort of rang a bell. My Dad was an engineer and I recall seeing one being used. It's a bit like a Jig saw that cuts out molded shapes.
Patricia ;)
If anyone is still interested ?
This site seems to show what might be a modern version of such a sawing machine with some Lachner parts.
http://www.mueller-minden.de/maschinen2/gebrauch_anz.php?m=139&l=d
DS