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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Seaman on Thursday 11 May 06 04:52 BST (UK)
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Hi there if anyone is researching the name "Angland" in the Cork area I would love to hear from you. I am particularly interested in any of the ones that came from Boherbue area.
Julia
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Seaman
a quick look tells me I can help you with this name 1864-1874 so If you want to post a bit more info .
I have no conection with your name
audrey
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Thank you for your reply Audrey, The info I have is a Michael Angland md a Nora Leane, she died abt 1858 - chd were Mary b1852, Johanna b1851 Dennis B 1847 Timothy B 1849 John b 1857, Second marriage to a Julia Greaney abt 1858, chd were Patrick b 1859, Michael b 1863, William b1866, Daniel b1868, Maurice b1869, Catherine b 1870 and Julia b1873 (my grandmother) Julia Greaney died in 1875. I am wanting to get more on Michael Angland eg date of birth and parents and Julia Greaney date of birth and prents. I know they lived at Kanturk, there are a lots of Anglands, some came to NZ and some went to the UK. If you can help it would be appreciated.
thanks Julia
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Julia
I have answered this by PM
audrey
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My family was from Newmarket, Boherbue. The Anglands were neighbors and close friends. I believe some of their family members went to NZ. Maellen
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Hi, Have just read mailings about Anglands & have only just started enquiries myself.
My father-in-law was Jeremiah William Angland born Albury, New Zealand died 29/10/1980 at the age of 81yrs.
I also have a Daniel Angland died 22/7/1935 Albury aged 74yrs. & Ellen Angland died 3/6/1928 Albury, South Canterbury, aged 59yrs. I thought there was also a Maurice but can't find him.
Apparently there were two brothers & they were left a farm each in Albury..perhaps part of the original farm. There were also 8 sisters in the family. Have since found Jeremiah & Daniels parents were Daniel Angland & Ellen Cahill.
I would love to know more about their family in Ireland. Jeremiah also had a sister Honora who married an O'Neil. They had one child John.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks Tiffaney.
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hi Tiffaney, me again ::) There's a very likely looking Daniel Angland on the I.G.I. Parents Maurice Angland and Mary Connor. If you also do a Parent search on the I.G.I. using Mau. Angland and Mary Connor, you'll get a possible Ellen , Maurice and a couple of others. The birth years for Daniel and Ellen are a couple of years out, but I wouldn't worry too much about that, often exact ages were forgotten or not even important. When doing the parent search don't forget the full stop after Mau. (Maurice and Mau. are classed as 2 different names , that's why Daniel isn't grouped with the rest)
P.S. there's also a Dennis Angland married to a Mary Connor with a seperate family on the I.G.I. Parent search.
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Thanks for info. re IGI Tootsiepie. Starting to get more interesting now. Will have a looksee & keep watching this file..someone else may be able to share with us.
Sun's out..hooray!!
Tiffaney
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My wife is related to the Anglands of Boherbui and I've been looking into them (occasionally!)
I came up with a number of suggestions
The Angland Family of Boherbue, Co. Cork
Generation 1
An unknown ancestor born perhaps around 1740 – 1750, whereabouts unknown, although family legend puts their roots in Co. Clare. Considering naming traditions, and the number of children born in the 1830’s and 1840’s called Nora or Hannah, the wife of this ancestor may have been called something like Hanorah. Similarly the unknown man may have been John, Maurice or Michael (most likely one of the first two)
Tracing female children is difficult so I will only look at the male line at the present.
The earliest references to this family, from the IGI, are to children born in the 1830’s, to a considerable number of male Anglands and I have endeavoured to place these into some familial relationships – almost all by guesswork.
Generation 2
Again unknown but all probably born c. 1775. From the names of the men in the records I have postulated descent from two brothers although this could be more. The names of these brothers are unknown but again I suggest John, Maurice or Michael. Their wives may have been Ellen or Catherine at a rough guess as these names are fairly common later on.
Generation 3
Going by the names of children and by the dates of birth I suggest dividing the Angland men, seen in the records, into the two families mentioned above. I have used the duplication of names as a basis to work from and have added in the ‘singletons’ Francis and Tim partly based on the names of their children. Suggested dates of birth for parents are guessed; I also feel that where there is a child Maurice, he tends, as often as not, to be the oldest son in each family.
Since my document exceeds the maximum allowable character count. If anyone is interested please mail me and I will send on the full doc.
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There has been an Angland family in Newmarket, Boherbue for generations. There was recently a family notice in the Irish Examiner advising of the death of an Angland. I believe it was Katherine, the wife of John, but I may be incorrect on the first name of the decedent .My grandfather's family were neighbors of the Anglands. They are a wonderful family. They have welcomed our family back to Ireland after many years. You may wish to post on Kiskeam.Com
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By "Newmarket, Boherbue" I think you may mean "Boherbue, Newmarket". Boherbue is a village a short distance from the town of Newmarket.
And yes there are Anglands in both places and I am pretty sure all the Anglands are related at some remove from each other. In fact wherever you look for Anglands, except for an occasional mis-spelling of England, they only seem to be in Cork, and in particular Boherbue with an odd one in Newmarket.
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I have come across a website anyone interested in the name Angland may find helpful. Check out irishsheepherders.com. The obituary section mentions Anglands. Maellen .
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What a great site! Lots of useful names and lots from Newmarket/Kiskeam. I don't think any so far are related to my wife but who knows after a bit of digging.
Thanks
Jim
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Hi all, Has anyone any idea who were the Anglands who came to New Zealand & when.
Thanks, Tiffaney
ps Kiskean site excellent.
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Hello,
my son & his family will be in Cork in September this year & would like advise on where they should go to look up his Angland ancestors, graveyards etc. His grandfather was Jeremiah William Angland, whose brother was Daniel as well as 8 sisters...all born South Canterbury, Cave. New Zealand.
Thank you,
Tiff
ps Jeremiah's parents were Daniel Angland & Ellen Cahill.
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Hi all ,.......New info.
Have found my husband's line descended from Michael Barry Angland who 1st. married Mary Lynch- they had 7 children, 2 girls & 5 boys. I believe Dennis was the eldest son of the family, there was also a Maurice (died young), Patrick, Timothy, Mary, Joanna & possibly a Thad.
The nearest to where Michael lived was Newmarket- the names of Kiskeam & Keelnahulla (spelling ?) as well as the Parish of Boherbue. Cork.
After Mary's death (when?), Michael married a Julia Graney/Greany. They had 7 children.
I believe a Mary, John, William, Daniel, Michael & Catherine & Julie emigrated to New Zealand.
Would love to have some dates
Many thanks,
Tiff
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I'm interested to know where you got the information if you have no dates to go with the names.
I'm also a bit confused about Michael's first wife. According to Julia back in May 2006 Michael's first wife was a Nora Leane but you have Mary Lynch?
As to dates, according to the IGI Michael and Julia had a daughter Catherine 20th Nov 1869 (or 1870?)
Also a question for Tootsiepie
You said: "When doing the parent search don't forget the full stop after Mau. (Maurice and Mau. are classed as 2 different names , that's why Daniel isn't grouped with the rest)"
When I tried the parent search I was told "Do not use punctuation" also there were no replies given for Mau or Mau. Angland as father and only Daniel when using Maurice (full name). I'm sure I had at least one other child before
- have they changed the search criteria?
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Jim...
Received the info. through another Angland GenesReunited member I have been corresponding with who received an outline from a Patricia Angland ...married to an Angland but also an Angland by descent. Her grandmother was Catherine (known as Kathleen Mary) and her husband's grandfather Michael-both children of Michaels Senior's second family. I have asked for her email address so that I may contact her.
Thankyou Jim for Catherine approx. date.
Would love to hear from Julie as no doubt she has records which will sort out Norah Leane/Lynch.......unless of course they are another Angland family.
Must get this sorted before my son & his family go to Cork in Sept. as he is very interested & would love to meet some of the family but unfortunately their time will be limited.
Jim...thankyou for replyingwould love the Norah Leane/Lynch sorted out.
Believe Julie has the answer.
regards,
Tiff
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Hi Jim I , Yes, I would say something has happened in their recent updates or changes.....
However Ellen Anglands birth is still on the I.G.I. but not in the parent search..(still with the father as Mau.)...I'll see if I can any of the other children that I didn't take note of at the time... I didn't think I had to when a parent search would have brought them up ::)
Birth
Christening- 02 APR 1865 Roman Catholic, Boherbue, Cork, Ireland
Father: MAU. ANGLAND Family
Mother: MARY CONNOR
C700771 1833 - 1864
C700771 1865 - 1875
Also
Anne 24.12.1866
Pat. 20.02.1873
Mau. 23.05.1869
I found these on a general ''Angland '' birth search for Cork...
This is the only way Mau. 23.05.1869 appears. (or on a batch search)
Pat. appears under a search for Patrick.
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Hi all,
Another Angland voice to add to the frey! :)
I am descended from Daniel Angland and Ellen Carhill - their Great Granddaughter. (my grandfather was Daniel Angland, the son of Daniel and Ellen)
The information that had been passed down verbally through my branches of the family was that Daniel's father was Michael Angland and that after Michael lost his first wife - one Mary Lynch he married his housekeeper Julia Greaney. However finding evidence of Mary Lynch's marriage to Michael seems tricky... and yet Pat Angland also confirmed this coupling for me along with fairly clear lists of which children went with which wife. I sadly have not been able to locate any marriage certificates for Michael & Mary ... or for Michael and Julia.... however these names seem to repeat themselves constantly throughout the branches of the Angland family
The prior posts on this site is the first mention I have heard of Nora Leane as the first wife of Michael and I had always assumed that Nora was perhaps the wife of one of the many other Michaels seem to be in every branch of our family!
I think we really need to pool togeather to solve this never ending mystery of Michael and his wives... if anyone has any clear birth or marriage documention that would start to decipher who is linked to I would be extremely grateful.
Sadly I no longer have Pat Angland's contact details due to a corrupted computer so anyone that is still in contact with her.... I wonder if she has any certificates?
Regards,
Danielle
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Tiffany,
Jeremiah William Angland was known as Bill? My grandmother always used to refer to her brother-in-law as Bill.... and my Grandfather Daniel Angland (who apparently had only one brother) was the son of Daniel Angland and Ellen Cahill.
I have a photo of this family in my passageway if you would like a copy?
Danielle.
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Tiff,
I have just remembered... there were actually three brother! Daniel, and Bill - but long before them the second child born to Daniel and Ellen was a baby called Michael... sadly this baby died as a baby and so was long past into history by the time Bill and Daniel arrived.
I also have a photo of Daniel & Ellen with thier eldest daughter Julia and baby Michael sitting on Ellen's knee. I guess he must have died shortly after. :-[
Danielle.
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Hi Danielle,
Great to see your postings.
Didn't know about the young Michael, brother of Daniel & Bill dying.
Would be wonderful to have photos.....thankyou.
regards.
Tiff
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I am unable to post the photo of the larger sized family as it is too many KB... how would you like me to get a copy to you? do you belong to any other ancestory websites that will enable us to exchange photos? (maybe GenesReunited?)
The second photo is of a younger Daniel and Ellen with thier eldest daughter, Julia and Baby Michael who sadly died. this one seems smaller so I can post this one no problem...
I hope you like them ::)
Danielle
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Brilliant Danielle, Thankyou so much.
will explain more by email.
Tiff
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Well guys...
We have confirmation of the identity Michael's second wife - the mother of Daniel Angland...
Have obtained the marriage certificate of Daniel Angland and Ellen Cahill from NZ births deaths and marriages. This has the parents of both Daniel and Ellen listed.
I have transcribed the details on the certificate below:
They were married on the 26th Feb 1889 in the Church of the Immaculate Conception in the District of Geraldine, New Zealand.
Both ages are just listed as 'full' (not enormously helpful!!)
Daniel's rank/profession is listed as Farmer
and Ellen's rank/profession is listed as Lady
Interestingly both have their birthplace listed as County Kerry in Ireland... (now how is that for adding to the confusion!!!... I wonder if that is an error on the Register's part)
Daniel's residence is listed as Milford, and Ellen's residence as Geraldine.
Daniel's parents are listed as:
Michael Angland (farmer) and Julia Angland (nee Greney)
Ellen's parents are listed as:
Jeremiah Cahill (farmer) and Norah Cahill (nee Sullivan)
And there we have it....
Next step obtain Daniel & Ellen's death certificates, and try and get hold of a marriage certificate for one of Daniel's older siblings to try and confirm the first wife's name...
Danielle.
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Danielle: you said
"Interestingly both have their birthplace listed as County Kerry in Ireland... (now how is that for adding to the confusion!!!... I wonder if that is an error on the Register's part)"
I don't think this was an error!
They were probably talking about baptisms so be aware that both Kiskeam and Boherbuie are/were in the Catholic DIOCESE of Kerry although in the COUNTY of Cork.
Jim
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Jim,
Thanks for that comment... I was not aware of that!! it does make life a little confusing when the diocese and the counties doe not line up precicely...
But your comment makes sense....
Dani
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Hi to All who are researching the Anglands,
I am a decendant of the youngest of Michaels children, Julia Angland, I have many photos and info if you would like to contact me direct please feel free, Julia came to NZ, married a Denis Buckley, my Mum was named Julia and so was I, some imigrated to the USA some to the Uk, I can be contacted at clevegcjc@clear.net.nz also I have many photos.
Hope to hear from you soon
Regards Julia C
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OK, here is an interesting thought...
I was talking to another Angland cousin today (he would be my mother's first cousin). His mother Honera Angland did alot of research back in the day - athough it sounds like he has not inherited these documents... one really interesting segment of the conversation he was telling me how he went to Ireland many years ago and met with some of the Anglands - it was worked out at the time that these Irish Anglands were indeed relatives. They were able to tell him it is their understanding the Angland family emigrated to Ireland from France, and that in France their name was Angleterre. He also told me that the Angleterre family were Hugenoughts. (which is probably the reason the left France and came to Ireland). I understand the Hugenoughts were not well liked in France but that is about all I know of them... who exactly were the Hugenoughts? does anyone know? Was being a Hugenought a religous thing? an ethinc thing? was it some kind of family dynasty? my knowledge of this group of historical people is sadly lacking!!!
It would explain why there alot of French family names like Daniel, Danielle, and Michael..... Anyone else have any thoughts???
Dani
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Hi Danielle,
Just say your posting and your query re the Hugenoughts, I will ask geoff when he gets home if he knows anything.
Julia
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Hi Julia,
I thought I would post my thoughts rather than e.mailing you directly to capture a wider audience so to speak!!! But I was hoping you would see it as I figured out of any one Geoff would hopefully know! :-)
Dani
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The Huguenots were French protestants. They were severely persecuted in Catholic France and there was even a famous massacre on St Bartholomew's day in 1572.
There is a bit of info here
http://www.dochara.com/stuff/surnames-huguenot.php
Jim
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Hi Dani & Julia,
You got in before me Jim 1. I googled & came up with Hugenots (French Protestants) fled Catholic persecution & many moved to England during 16th,17th & 18th centuries as well as other countries.
Also came across a Henry 11 de L'Angleterre duc de la Normandie ...spouse Eleanor d'Aquitance.
Angleterre, Edith d'Princess.
Birth aft. 900
Death 946
Parents: England, Edward 1 le Sage King
Mother: Aelflaeda
married le Grand, Atto 1, Kaiser born 23 Nov 912
Died 5 July 973 Membleden.
Now to look for more..thanks for web site Jim.
V. Interesting,
Tiff
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Have lost ur query bout Buckleys but here we go!
The following is about descendants of Larry the Purchaser! who is my ancestor and I believe yours! Larry was married to Hanora Harrington in 1815 in Tralee and here is your direct line with one of his sons, Patrick.
Patrick Buckley born in 1830 in Slievecahill, Listowel married Mary Stack of Touhino, Ballybunion in 1854 who was his first wife. She was daughter of James Stack and Joanna Connor. Sponsors at wedding were Laurence Buckley and Thade Buckley.
Children were
Honora Buckley born 1854 in Balygrennan married John Francis Lahesrough in 1876 when she was 22.
PatrickBuckley born in 1858 in Barna. No Record.
Timothy Buckley born in 1866 in Barna. No record.
Thomas Buckley born in 1868 in Barna. No record.
James Buckley born in 1870 in Barna. No Record.
Edmond Buckley born in 1870 in Barna. No Record.
John Buckley born in ??? married Mary Ann OKeeffe Ballylongford in 1894 whose father was Frances O’Keeffe and mother was Margaret McEnery.
Second marriage to Ellen Gallivan of Barna Ballybunion in 1871. Parents mentioned on marriage cert were John Gallivan/ Bridget Mahony and Laurence Buckley/Hanora Harrington. Witnesses were James Walsh and Elizabeth Gallivan.
Michael Buckley 1871. No record.
Christopher Buckley 1872 Catherine Buckley was sponsor. No record.
Bridget Buckley 1874. No record.
Denis Buckley 1877. No record.
Sarah M Buckley 1879. No record.
Charles Buckley 1881. No record.