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General => Technical Help => Family History Programs, Tree Organisation, Presentation => Topic started by: Janine on Sunday 25 April 04 22:17 BST (UK)
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I am new to this and have been using a free programme on geneaology.com that holds up to 200 names; now I need to purchase some software. I need something flexible to show adoptions and multiple marriage; what do you recommend?
My 2nd question ... I see SO many sites online that require one to subscribe and pay ... which ones are worth it, and genuinely useful for the money?
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I purchase Sierra's Generations Grand Suite 8 (UK version) a couple of years ago. I have not found the need to use anything else since.
Multiple marriages and adoptions are catered for.
There is a monthly magazine 'Your Family Tree' in the UK that has a cover CD. There are numerous demos / shareware genealogy programs included each issue. Worth taking a look...
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I use The Master Genealogist. It is the best program. It it is quite easy to use but for anyone who has not used a geneaoligist program before might find it a bit hard. Go to site http://www.whollygenes.com/ and have a look, down load a trial program.
Another program is Legacy. Very easy to use but hasn't got a very good Reporting system. There are somethings you cannot change where as TMG is very flexible in this area. Goto site http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ they have a free program and, when you are ready you can update to a more featured version.
Good Luck
Reggie
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Hi Janinepage
Many years ago I purchased 'ReUnion' because it was good and did all the things I required but it was rather Americanised - but it was still good. When it was sold to Sierra, they changed the name of it to 'Generations' and they made an English Version of it which just made it better.
So would recommend 'Generations', but would opt for a basic version rather than one that containd loads of cd's - most of which are american archives, ancestors, etc, with just a couple of English CD's
Chris in 1066Land
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I use PAF from the LDS - the free version. I have to say I really like it, it ain't perfect for printing trees but you can get a cheap add on.
It's worth trying before shelling out on software. I'm not sure what the limit is on the number of individuals but some of my files are thousands of individuals - not mine by the way, downloaded from other people!!!
I didn't have to register to get it or give them any info - it asks but I don't like to give my specifics ;)
It does multiple marriages and a wealth of other features - the webpage generator gives good clean code easily amended with a little knowledge of HTML (and believe me I only have a little knowledge).
Basic reports are good and it is compatible with GEDCOM. I can't say it's the best but it is FREE!
Cheers,
Pam
;D
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I use Rootsmagic, which was recommended to me by someone on Rootschat.
I downloaded the free Evaluation Version from www.rootsmagic.com (http://www.rootsmagic.com) which allows you to enter up to 50 people.
I liked it so much I bought the full version from S&N recently and they supplied it with a discount of £5 and threw in Batholomew's Atlas 1898 and some more goodies.
I have little experience with other Gen Programmes but this one seems to meet all my needs and more.
Kazza.
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I use PAF from the LDS - the free version. I have to say I really like it, it ain't perfect for printing trees but you can get a cheap add on.
Hi Pam,
i use the free lds one too, but am a bit dissappointed at not being able to print everyone on the tree [only as an index]
its great when its on the pc, with photos etc
have you got the add-on? what is it called and does it work well?
jaq
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I also use the free one from LDS. At this moment in time it suits my purpose.
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Re PAF add on for reports..
I haven't actually got it, I only have a small tree (I only have a maternal line to follow) so haven't needed to get it. The link below may or may not work but it is to the familysearch site.
The blurb about the "PAF Companion" says...
The PAF Companion software prints quality pedigree charts, family group records, ancestor charts, descendant charts, hourglass charts, fan charts, bow tie charts, kinship reports, descendant reports, and narrative reports. It tiles multiple pages to form large wall charts, and it can print photos in many charts. Its Preview and Publish to PDF features let you preview charts and save them in Adobe® PDF format. Its Compare feature finds individuals in the Pedigree Resource File (PRF) Master Index who may match those in your PAF file. (You must have a copy of the PRF Master Index to use this feature.) You can run Personal Ancestral File (PAF) without exiting Personal Ancestral File Companion. You can use the program with the 3.x, 4.x, and 5.x versions of Personal Ancestral File.
From the site it costs $6 - I can't say much more as I haven't used it. Has anyone else?
;D
Pam
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&categoryId=100103&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=100102&bcname=Personal%20Ancestral%20File&top=&resetCat=N&initBC=Y&level=2&replBC=subcatlist100102
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Just curious, as I am considering splashing out and spoiling myself.
Which programs do rootschatters use to store their family tree?
Up until now I have been using PAF, purely because it is free, although I did get a copy of PAF Companion too. However, I realise this program may have its limitations. Can anyone recommend a better program?
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To be fair your now asking the impossible to answer with causing a fight question. We all get used to one or the other program because it suits our needs or because it was the first we had and we like it. I use Family Origins which is now packaged under another name ( no idea what ) I find it easy and good for storage but others will say PAF some will say generations etc all because its what they use. Stick with what you know and like is my advice
rob
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I have used several genealogy programs including Legacy (a limited edition is free) and, which I found to be very easy to use but has limitations. You can find it at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
I have also used Brothers Keeper (it is free) and it is somewhat poor but useful for someone who can use it as a start.
The best of course is The Master Genealogist (TMG). I have been using it for a number of years now. It has great features and flexibility. You can find them at http://www.whollygenes.com and they have a forum (like this site) at http://www.whollygenes.com/forums/. As the previous person said you can get into fights about the best one to use but that is up to the individual.
I thought PAF was discontinued and they were now going over to Legacy.
I suggest you look around before you make a decision.
Hope this helps.
Reg
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I use Excel, complete freedom over the design of the tree, and less problems distributing to the family.
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Hi Amy,
Rob is right on this one, we all have our favourites. We have covered this topic a couple of times:
http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7110.0
http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3716.0
these threads give you the idea. ;D
Kazza.
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Oh dear I have done something totally wrong. I have gotten a moderator to agree with me ......hmmmm Ok folks dont worry normal service will resume must remember to put the pounds in the meter more often heheheheh
rob
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On a more serious note the only thing i would say your program should have is the ability to export and import Gedcom. These have been something I couldn't have doen without and just to say Excell isn't always the best as many people prefer works to office and vice versa so if they dont have those how can they read them? Just a thought. Please no replies saying but you can download a viewer because I have a ready reply to that lol
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Works can open Excel files :P And you can also get a programmes to allow you to save them as an acrobat file, which is very universal.
That being said, I have started using Legacy on the side, acting as a store for possible information I'm not certain about yet. The main reason I like Excel is that I don't like the trees any of the purpose designed ones produce,
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I use Family Historian. Although it was quite expensive, it was definately worth it from my pov anyway.
I used to use Excel though - it's very easy to use and you're in complete control of the design. Excel can also be used very much like Access, but without all the hassle as the programming is much simpler. I just found with Excel that linking all my information was causing problems and Family Historian has certainly solved those!
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I also use The Master Genealogist (though only the silver edition) and have found it really easy to use, cheap (£10) and fulfills most of what I need
Fiona
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I use Genopro, because i like the layout of the tree. It was a free Demo that never expires and i liked it so much i bought it. They are planning an update next year and have taken into account a lot of suggestions from customers.
Like all Software tho' , it's your preference. I tried lots of different ones when i first started doing my tree but always came back to this one.
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I also use The Master Genealogist (though only the silver edition) and have found it really easy to use, cheap (£10) and fulfills most of what I need
Fiona
Fiona
I think the silver edition is about the same as the gold edition. The gold has all the CD's which are mostly american stuff that you don't use if you are not american. I went and down loaded Rootsmagic to see what it is like. I must say TMG runs rings around it regarding flexibility etc. Every program has a little thing I like but TMG is the ultimate.
Reg
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Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread. I found it very useful.
I think Santa is going to have a letter this year asking for The Master Genealogist. How much is postage to the North Pole??
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I am looking for a family history program and have no idea where to start . I have looked at the Roots Magic from S&N. Something easy to use would suit me fine. Can any one give me some advice?
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Personally, I would recommend Family Historian. I find it intuitive, user-friendly and attractively designed. It's also produced by a family historian in London rather than by an American corporation, if that's of interest to you.
You can check out FH here http://www.family-historian.co.uk and the friendly and active user group here http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi
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Hi Matty
Its often hard to recommend software because one often likes "what you know" - I use FamilyTreeMaker - which I haven't seen discussed alot, but I was given it first and found it very easy to use. I tried some others - either free (e.g. Legacy from http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ and PAF from the LDS site) or a preview or timed version - but kept thinking FTM was easier to use - I probably didn't try hard enough for the new ones. A disadvantage often quoted for FTM is that you can only see 4 children at a time on the family page.
Many folk think TMG is the best thing since sliced bread - although admit there is a learning curve involved - I couldn't get past the learning curve.
I did recently upgrade to a later version of FTM (went from V5 to V11) - I don't think the enhancements were worth what I paid. They have included much internet interfacing which I do not want and do not use.
If you search rootschat you will no doubt find other software comments
Trish
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Hi Matty,
We have looked at this question before, and to allow you to benefit from the previous comments I am going to merge this message in with the previous ones.
Good Luck, And RootsMagic is very easy. ;D
Kazza.
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Thanks Kazza I had been searching round the different boards but must have missed this one . Now I can browse at all the information.
Matty ;D
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It's what I am here for Matty,
Happy to help, ;D
Kazza.
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To be fair your now asking the impossible to answer with causing a fight question. We all get used to one or the other program because it suits our needs or because it was the first we had and we like it. I use Family Origins which is now packaged under another name ( no idea what ) I find it easy and good for storage but others will say PAF some will say generations etc all because its what they use. Stick with what you know and like is my advice
rob
Rob, Family Origins was bought out and killed. It's maker then developed RootsMagic, which has a free trial offer. I like it better than any other I've tried.
I would suggest trying some of the free trial programs, and some of the free ones. before making a final decision.
Anna
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Hi Anna and Kazza,
I have down loaded the free Legacy this afternoon and I agree with you that its best to try the free ones first. Do you have a web address for the RootsMagic free trail? I could look at that as well. ;D
Matty
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Well, I have been using Family Tree Maker version 6 (I bought this quite a while ago, but never did anything with it) then at the begining of this year decided to give it a go!Then I decided that it was very old and wanted to upgrade it, couldn't find the upgrade in the shops where I live and being very impatient and wanting it now went a bought the Family Tree Genealogy Suite Version 4 (recommended by Computer Active, which I buy regularly - I'm a very sad person) which was cr** (well that's what I thought) and have carried on with my Family Tree Maker by Broderbund and wished I'd gone on line and got the newer version - sorry for waffling on - it's what I'm almost good at!!!!
Nickyhug ;D
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Matty,
http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm
RootsMagic is now on a new edition, which I don't have. :(
Kazza.
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Thanks for your help Kazza & Nicky I am just going to try to put some of my info onto the Legacy now.
Matty
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Hi, for what it's worth, I have used the FREE Personal Ancestral File (P.A.F. 5.0) from the Latter Day Saints for years now and think it's great. It does everything you could want it to do and the L.D.S. obviously know what they are doing in this department.
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Just thought that I'd let you all know that I have put one family on the Legacy this afternoon and so far so good. thanks every one for your help
Matty ;D
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Matty,
Glad to help, keep us posted on your progress.
Kazza.
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I agree with most posters that a program you select has to suit your needs and, has to be eazy to operate. However, in saying that you must ask yourself what is the end result you want from the data. Most people require a Report of some kind. We spend hours collecting family data and, eventually will distribute it to other family members.
Most programs will have a Family Group Report and they all look similar. Most have a Descendant Chart. Some have Descendant Box Charts. Most have a Individual Detail Report. But how many have a good Narrative Report? How many of them have the ability to assign Roles? As I said what is your end result you are seeking?
Cost of a good program is a consideration too. The free programs provide some very good basic features and are a good starting point. I think most of us start with a very basic program and then find it just doesn't quite do what you want it to do. Then we go out and get a better one and then what happens? You have to download the data into it. And that is when you begin to have major problems because every program has a different feature that will not transfer across to the new program. So, I say, consider carefully. Because you don't want to change to another program in say 2 years time after you have gathered all that extra data and find problems transferring.
I have tried several programs. Some are very easy to input but the Reports are very basic. In the end I spent money and bought a very good program (it suits me) and I am glad I did. It has taken some time to master it but once I did I am pleased with the result.
I use The Master Genealogist (TMG). (I have no affiliation with them - just a satisfied user) and find it has all the attributes and a very good forum for any assistance. You can download a trial version at http://www.whollygenes.com also you can view the forum at http://www.whollygenes.com/forums and ask pre sales questions.
Hope this helps
Reg
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Reggie, Thanks for your advice I am just a beginner at this and will consider everything at this stage at the moment I think I need something simple to operate, but understand what you are saying. I have printed off all the advice and will be able to look at it at leisure
Matty
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I also use Family Historian (FH) and can thoroughly recommend it.
I was using GSP's Family Tree V2 and was going to upgrade to the latest version which comes with all sorts of extra goodies like data CDs lookup credits etc. etc.. And then along came "WDYTYA" on the telly. My mother, bless her, bought the book and in it I noticed the author used FH, so I thought I'd better check it out.
I looked at the website http://www.family-historian.co.uk/ and saw that it talked about GEDCOM compatibility, which, as a relative beginner, I was blissfully unaware of, but quickly realised is crucial. FH was built using GEDCOM as it's basic file format and is 1000(!)% compatible and the only program of this type which uses all of the GEDCOM fields.
I downloaded the demo (which was not available with GSP's offering) and found the Tutorial made the whole thing interesting and incredibly easy to use. It is extremely flexible and it seems to be able to cope with any tree printing requirements you might have, long or wide!
It comes with no extra goodies and at a few pence short of 45 quid costs only a few pounds less than GSP's offering with all it's knobs and whistles. But that's the one I went for and would recommend it to all, plus, it's British!!!
So before you send your note to the North Pole by setting fire to it and sending it up the chimney in smoke signal form (How else would the man who comes down the same orifice receive it?), I suggest you go to the website, read all about it, take the tour, download the demo and get hooked!
Paul N.
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I'm glad you've posted this cos I need help finding a program too!
I'm using a mac (OS X) and need a program that I can put all my information into and eventually export it onto a website.
Any help would be appreciated!! ;)
Regards,
Rebecca
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Hi Kazza,
I am now trying out the free trial down load from Roots Magic and I find it easier for me to use than the Legacy. So so far so good thank you all for the helpful information.
Rebecca try the free trails first then you can make up your own mind before you by. If you look back at these threads you will find several free trials. ;D
Matty
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Matty,
I am glad you are enjoying RootsMagic. ;D
And thanks for keeping us up to date, it is useful for others who are in your position to hear how you are getting on.
Kazza.
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I'm glad you've posted this cos I need help finding a program too!
I'm using a mac (OS X) and need a program that I can put all my information into and eventually export it onto a website.
Hi Rebecca,
As a fellow macintosh user I can tell you that the number of programs are limited compared to the PC. Having said that, their are some good programmes for the Mac. The most popular is Reunion 8. http://www.leisterpro.com/ It has a demo you can download plus a user forum if you need help. Here is a link to web pages produced by Reunion. http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/users/linkSearch.html
The other new one that is starting to showoff is Heridis. http://www.myheredis.com/ It is a french product and after seeing the PC version I have my reservations.
Then their is the shareware option if your on a budget, you could try 'Gene Macintosh Genealogy Software' http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/gene/
I have been using Reunion for a few weeks and its dead simple to use. But like everyone else in this thread, we all have got our favourites. They all have weaknesses and strengths.
That should give you something to think about. Hopefully you won't get too confused. ;)
Deadants
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Thanks for that advice deadants!
It'll certainly give me something to think about and possibly some christmas present ideas! ;D
Rebecca
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Hi Kazza
Whilst I was trying out my Free Trail of Roots Magic one of my family gave it me for my Birthday. I am very pleased with it and busy putting Photo's of my Ancestors on at the moment.
Matty
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Matty,
I am pleased. ;D
I would be lost without RootsMagic's ToDo feature. Helps me keep track of what I have looked for and where. 8)
Kazza.
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A good thread this one..... I too have tried various ones, Started with Reunion 2 many years back then moved to Generations, Family Tree maker.
My preference if the data is going to be standalone would have to be http://www.familytreelegends.com/ a very nicely put together peice of software.
However, with finding all these new members of my family, they all started wanting to see what information I had & therefore I looked to the web - but I didn't want to be doubling up on data imput etc.
I then came across http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php.
This is a fantastic - everything is done on the web & infact I find it better then alot of standalone software. Fell free to check out my site & see for your self.
www dawesfamily co.uk website lapsed 2013
;)
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Just in case anyone is interested, the Christmas edition of Your Family Tree magazine (price £4.99) has a free copy of Family Tree Maker 2005 Starter Edition. Apprently its a full working version and not a trial. Might be worth a try.
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Hello,
I'm new to this, would like help /opinions if you wouldn't mind. As a new starter how helpful are the various internet packages. ie; RootsMagic 2 Platinum Edition and others of the like?
Would appreciate any answers or opinions.
Regards
Brian
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Hi Brian
I've been researching 16+ years and been an avid user of the net for the last 5 but I have never heard of the package you mention? Is it a program for charting information?
I have family tree maker (an old one without all the extra info CDs) and lately have used the free download from legacy:
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
which serves my purpose well. No doubt people will say that there are better packages out there but I personally find this adequate.
Casalguidi
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Hi Brian
There are quite a number of Genealogy software packages available. Before purchasing any package you should try and check out the demo versions available on the web.
I started with a small software package and as my family grew I have needed to increase the database size, at present i'm using Brothers Keeper 6 I find this suits my requirements.
Rootsmagic has a free demo version available on it's website, have you checked it out. The link is www.rootsmagic.com
Cheers
Genni
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Quite a few of the current magazines, PC Shopper, PC Pro, have a 50 record version of Family historian, worth a look as it is fully functional up to a 50 person tree. So chop out a branch a give it a try.
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Hi Brian,
this is a subject that comes up from time to time, so I am merging your message with the latest discussion in the hope it helps. ;D
Kazza.
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I've been reading rave reviews on RootsMagic Version 2 and I have downloaded the trial version and I am about to give that a go. I've had a look at the S&N Genealogy Supplies website and can see that they offer 3 packages:-
Basic at £21.95
Standard at £34.95
Platinum at £49.95
Does anyone know if it is worth forking out the extra money for the extras that you get with the Standard and Platinum packages? These extras include
£250-worth of vouchers off the British Data Archive CD sets
6 million name index
Bartholemew's UK Atlas1898
Change of Names CD 1760–1901
General Armory of England, Scotland and Ireland 1894
(Encyclopaedia of Heraldry)
English and Welsh Landowners 1873
Scottish Landowners 1872–1873
Online subscription to www.BMDINDEX.co.uk
Many thanks
Jeannie
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I am moving this thread into the technical section (That did not exist when this topic was created).
We have a lengthy thread on software and I will merge it in so that you get maximum exposure. ;D
Kazza.
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Having done that,
I can tell you I bought my basic version from S&N at a FH fair and they offered
£250-worth of vouchers off the British Data Archive CD sets
6 million name index
Bartholemew's UK Atlas1898
free with it. They are interesting, but I found nothing to help my research in them, yet.
I cannot comment on the other freebies offered, but I do know that S&N gave me my freebie set because I bought at a fair from their stand.
Kazza.
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Thank you for that Kazza
I've been playing around with the trial version and I am quite impressed with the notes etc. that you can add to individual and family records. Not too sure about the displaying of the family tree yet though.
Does anyone else have anymore comments?
I live in Spain so I do not have the opportunity to visit fairs and I would have to order it from the website.
Muchas Gracias
Jeannie
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;D
Have you thought of trying tribalpages?
It is free and a very good site very easy to operate (I`m quite a computer idiot, so if its easy for me, then it must be easy for anyone!!)
You can also add photos, choose your own colour & background etc, full instructions are given and easy to follow (even for me, though I admis I`m lazy & my son deals with inserting the photos)
If interested, the number is
www.tribalpages.com
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I hope this link isn't already on this thread (but I guess if it is, this is a reminder). In answer to another query Deadants directed me to this site. It contains reviews and comparisons of many different packages.
http://genealogy-software-review.toptenreviews.com
It includes the comment
This site, Genealogy Software Review, is a tool to help you better assess your genealogy software needs so that you can make an educated decision about which solution will work for you. We have developed a comprehensive report of the TOP 13 genealogy software programs available in the marketplace.
Trish
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Trish,
I don't think I have seen the link before, and it is an excellent one thank you. It makes interesting reading even if you have already decided on your package and want to see how it compares. Mine is no. 5, but still no. 1 with me. ;D
For someone thinking of splashing out it is a real help, it assesses on a wide range of criteria, and makes fascinating reading.
Thanks for sharing,
Kazza.
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Sorry if this has been asked before but,
Could anyone recommend a good family tree programme for the PC, i would like it to be able to record all the basic details but also photo's, certs and some facts on that person.
Thank you
Vanessa :P
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Hi,
This is a hot topic on RootsChat. So I will merge you in with the latest discussion. Hopefully that will help.
Kazza.
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I notice the previously-mentioned http://www.familytreelegends.com is shut down right now, as is their site http://www.gencircles.com - where anyone could publish their gedcom data for free, not just Family Tree Legends customers.
On the familytreelegends.com forum in the last couple of weeks there's been discussion that the company is looking for a buyer, and that the three who started it are moving on. Unfortunately, their two sites have been falling apart in the last few weeks, with no more data being processed and smartmatching switched off. If they don't act quickly, there may be no company left to sell.
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I too am using RootsMagic. I originally purchased Version 2 Platinum Edition from S&N. Lots of useful stuff although I have found nothing to help my own research yet.
I recently purchased an online upgrade to version 3, and it is brilliant. RootsMagic does almost everything I need it to do.
The only things that RootsMagic doesn;t do, is offer an "everyone" chart. I sometimes like to print off a huge chart of everyone i have to see how we are all linked. To do this, I keep a version of Genbox Family History, which I find a little awkward to use but is excellent for charting.
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Sorry if this has been asked before but,
Could anyone recommend a good family tree programme for the PC, i would like it to be able to record all the basic details but also photo's, certs and some facts on that person.
Thank you
Vanessa :P
Sorry Vanessa to repeat this but ...
You might as well ask could anyone recommend a good car ...
Almost every genealogy program will do the basics that you require (ditto any car will do the basics required) ...
It is up to you to determine what extras you want and to explore the various genie programs to determine whether they offer them ...
I use TMG (The Master Genealogist) but it's not for everybody ...
JAP
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Hi
Wasn't sure which category to put this under, so settled for the common room.
I have been tracing my family tree for years now, and all the information I have collected and typed out is in paper form. I have it all organised in files. But if anything were to happen to the files, I would be devastated as I would have to start all over again.
I am wanting to transfer all my information onto a family tree program on the computer, but I don't know which one to buy, as anyone got any ideas? I would like to have all my census records on as well, I don't want a basic program, I need something more detailed but want something that is easy to follow and use.
Any tips and suggestions would be great.
Janette ???
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We have had lots of discussion about this previously. You may profit by reading through this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,30994.60.html
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I have been using Family Tree Maker for years, and I love it. I just upgrade it when a new version comes out.
Sue
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Hi
Thanks to all who replied with regards to a good family tree programme, I myself, don't need any more replies, but will take the advice and decided which one to buy
Janette
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I have been reading through the threads relevant to choosing a software programme.
I have about 500 pages of narrative in WORD, and my rellies are having trouble understanding my charts, so I need something to make it more comprehensible in that respect. (I don't personally feel that I am missing anything, for my own needs, but I guess it's time to spring for a programme so that other people can follow me better.)
The last entry on this subject was over a year and a half ago. Things change. I would like to know if anyone would like to revise or add to the opinions already expressed, particularly in light of what I think I would be looking for.
I would like something that can handle infinite generations and numbers of people, some photos, lots of 'notes', allows for rearranging the data for different purposes, allows for portions to be emailed intact as attachments, use of colours in text, source footnotes of unlimited length (very important), has good technical support (I am not very clever with software), will accommodate growing and changing needs over time, and probably some other things I can't remember!
I am not so much concerned about the price. I just want to get the right one. I am a very thorough researcher, no stone unturned etc., and will no doubt not be satisfied for long with something that has significant limitations. On the other hand, I'm not particularly interested in "extras" that are more cute than useful.
From what I have read on these threads, the major contenders appear to be: The Master Genealogist, Legacy, Rootsmagic, Family Tree Maker, and Family Historian, but I am not clear about the differences among them.
Can you help me distinguish among these?
It would be really helpful if you could explain why you chose the one you have, and why you still think it is the best programme for you, and also what is the limitation (if any) of the one you are using and are reasonably happy with.
Much appreciated!
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At last people other than me love Roots Magic - I've only ever had the basic version and it suits me just fine.
I recently had to have a new hard drive, I had a back up of all my data BUT had up-graded with a download - I'm pleased to say S&N
were kind enough to send me another download up-date and suggest I also downloaded it onto disc (it had never entered my head before.)
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PS I forgot to say I love the 'Copy onto read only disc' last Christmas I extracted all my father's family and sent a copy to my cousins, they were very pleased.
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Loo
All programs do pretty much what you require. The main differences are how data is displayed on the screen and in reports and charts.
Unfortunately you are not in a position to test trial versions of the various programs you mentioned because you have created a Word version of your family tree. Basically you need to have a GEDCOM file before you can test your data in those various programs. You may have a tree on GenesReunited.com in which case you could ask them to send you a gedcom file from that, otherwise you are going to have to spend some time inputting all your data. Of course you can copy and paste data from your Word document into your program. However, much of the formatting cannot be used, so if you have used bold or italics in your Word document then you will not be able to copy into your family tree program.
My advice to you is to download a free program like PAF (Personal Ancestry File) from the LDS and input some data. Once you have created a few records then you can download free trial versions of other programs and then export a gedcom file from PAF and import it into other downloaded trial versions.
http://www.familysearch.org/
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Loo
All programs do pretty much what you require. The main differences are how data is displayed on the screen and in reports and charts.
Very true!
The fact is that probably all programs are pretty good and it's just a matter of individual preference. As with all cars :)
Give them all a test drive and see what you like. As with cars, you may not get it right first time around >:(
Unfortunately you are not in a position to test trial versions of the various programs you mentioned because you have created a Word version of your family tree. Basically you need to have a GEDCOM file before you can test your data in those various programs. ...
NO, not at all!
TMG (The Master Genealogist) has a process called GenBridge which does NOT require a GEDCOM but transfers direct from many many family history programs.
Though, of course, not from a Word story - which would presumably be a narrative story rather than entries in a database.
I actually moved from Word to TMG (requiring, of course, much data entry!) because I thought that my Word narrative was really what TMG was trying to produce out of its database ...
But there's no doubt that it's not the program for everybody ...
However, I just mention this as a matter of fact.
All the best,
JAP
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Yes, it is a matter of preference and the most IMPORTANT consideration is how you want your Reports to appear.
I use The Master Genealogist (TMG). It is the best program on the market that I have tested. However, in saying that, it is a program that is not easy to learn but once you have mastered it I don't think you will ever go to another one. If you do decide to go with TMG be aware version 7 is getting very close to releasing.
I downloaded Rootsmagic trial version because I did a talk on Genealogy programs. While it is a reasonably good program and quite easy to use it doesn't go anywhere near TMG. I also have Family Historian (FH) which again is a good program but still doesn't even produce a good narrative given the cost of it. I communicated with the people at FH but got a very negative reply from a person who said "..this is what I do..." but it wasn't really a narrative. It doesn't break the data into reasonable paragraphs. BUT, it has some wonderful features. Also has quite a good individual report for people.
I have also used Legacy. Again a good program but not up to the standard of TMG. Very easy to use.
Regarding reports from a genealogy program - I think you want to be able to have the report come out into 'word' or a similar word processing program. Here you can put those finishing touches to your report. Eg, maybe you want a narrative on your descendants, plus some family group charts of some of the earlier generations tied in with a pedigree chart (a glimpse of a chart and where a person falls is worth a thousand words).
As we all say, it is up to you what you feel is right for you. And again, as someone said earlier you will have to input all your data into a genealogy program and that will take a lot of work. More than likely it will be worth it.
TMG have a 30 day trial ( http://www.whollygenes.com/ )
Legacy use to have a free program. However, there is an upgrade which allows some more features ( http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ )
Family Historian has a free trial - (http://www.family-historian.co.uk/ )
Rootsmagic has a free trial ( http://www.rootsmagic.com/ )
Load them down and give it a go. That is the best way to do it. It is your choice on how you feel with the ease operation, screen views, various reports produced, how the reports are produced, photograph insertion and placements etc.
Good luck.
Reg
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Thanks for the opinions; keep 'em coming!
So far, you have made me re-think what exactly I want to get out of this in the end.
I prefer the narrative I write myself, and don't really want the programme to do that for me. I think I am just looking for a place to put all the basic facts and their source footnotes, cross-checks, and sometimes substantive notes, in a way that can be graphically presented with colour-coding, more as a reference item than as the 'whole story' - something to refer to while reading the Word narrative and looking at the photos etc. I do collect a LOT of "basic facts", however, and I expect to soon have 11 generations in some files.
I don't have a GEDCOM, and have never been quite clear how I would make one. I do have that kind of a chart, but I just do it in Word, as part of my larger documents, as needed, and I stick in other bits that I want to have in there at the same time as there is no space limit. (Sounds strange maybe, but it works for me!) I have never wanted to give much of my info to GenesReunited or to the LDS sites, as I don't entirely trust them, although I have found some good contacts there from time to time! I think I could learn a suitable computer programme, but I don't do it often, and I always hate it when they change things after I get used to one way!
The question you raise about what the product will look like in the end, and what do I want it to look like, is a good one. Not sure exactly, just want it to be comprehensive and accessible, and with the possibility of variable font sizes so that people with vision problems can read it. I am a bit bewildered about how much it is possible to put into one chart, or how one prints out large charts. I don't think I can put everybody into one continuous chart. But I am assuming these programmes will have some way of producing and printing relatively large graphic charts? I mean the kind where you can see the connection between "A" and "K" at a glance through several generations, and it might take up the width of a wall in your study. Right now, I think I could paper the whole room with them!! (Would be fun, actually!)
I should perhaps add that I need something that can transcribe in other Western languages, with accents and so on.
Probably should experiment a bit, as you suggest.
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A narrative report generated from a genealogy computer program is very mundane really. It is very repetitive in its generation. However, again, it depends on what you want out of it.
In my case I like genealogy programs because at least it stores the data and you can generate various reports. With TMG I do a lot of extra manipulating so that a readable narrative report is produced. Because the information stored is getting larger all the time, I concentrated on the manipulation of the early data because that is where the history really is. The later generations I leave as the computer generates them. (hope I explained this ok).
Regarding variable font sizes - when you produce to MS Word format you can do what you want with fonts and hi-liting etc.
Regarding charts - My Johnson wall chart is now 9.2 metres long (ie a chart reading from top down). That is too big for any room in my house. And that is one good advantage of a genealogical computer program you can produce some wonderful charts. I save a chart to a Cd and take it to a person who has the ability to print charts (we have a person in the TMG user group who has a continuous printer). Most Plan printing establishments (here in Oz) can do them. In TMG you can use accents to colour any variation you want in a family. I do have a very early version of a Johnson chart on my wall hanging from the ceiling to floor. It is on a heavy weight paper with batons at either end, the top have a cord for hanging and the bottom to keep it nicely against the wall and to stop the paper from curling
I have attached a chart I produced for a family reunion last year. As you can see we had to spread it on the floor. It was great to see members of the family viewing it to see where they are in the big picture.
Again, it is a decision for you to make. These programs have advantages and disadvantages. My preference is to have my work organised and I think a genealogy program does this well.
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It is unlikely that you will find any single program that will do everything you want it to do and I believe it would be better to concentrate on finding one which will fit in with your present way of working and bring strengths to those areas where you find you are weakest. Personally I chose Family Historian over The Master Genealogist as I found it better suited the way I want to work.
As said earlier, gecom files have become the universally accepted method of recording genealogy files on a computer system and if you chose to go that route it is likely that you would have a considerable amount of work ahead of you.
This then begs the question "Is it worth it ?" and it is only you that can answer it.
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I don't have a GEDCOM, and have never been quite clear how I would make one.
You make one when you type information into a genealogy program.
When people transfer their written notes into a family tree program they usually discover lots of mistakes, which is an added benefit of using computer software. In addition to charts and reports, you can also make a book style report and output it as a Word document. That works in PAF but I'm not sure about other programs. Family tree programs use database technology and therefore their word processing capabilities are limited, so you will have problems trying to use the same formatting techniques you have been using in Word, but if you output your information into a Word document then you can edit it and apply various formats that way.
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Yes, I think I understand you, Reggie, and I too would prefer to write my own stories, as I have seen some on the internet that seemed very "wooden".
You said, "Regarding variable font sizes - when you produce to MS Word format you can do what you want with fonts and hi-liting etc." Does this imply that you can move the info from the genealogy programme into Word? I'm not very knowledgeable about computer software, I just use it! I really only use Word and the internet.
Regarding charts - thanks for the demo! I don't think it would be a problem to get anything printed here, as I am in a major city, and we have a chain of fancy print shops here as well, and I have seen people getting some very unusual jobs done there. So I can just put it on CD, then, and take it in?
I blush, but am not positive I know what GEDCOM is. I take it to be the kind of chart that has everybody in a linear fashion listed by generation, something like this:
1 Joe BLOW 1673-1699
+ Mary TOWN 1677-1720
2 Joey BLOW 1696-1760
+ Prudence PATIENCE 1700-1730
2 Marion BLOW 1697-1698
These are the kinds of charts that I keep in Word, and they seem to be adequate for me, except for two things: inability to make graphic charts, and difficulty sharing this information with elderly relatives who can't follow the system. The numbers on the generations seem to confuse them. There is also a problem with the names running off the side of the page after about 8 generations.
Falkryn, It is really for these other people that I am considering getting this programme, to make it easier for them to participate in what we have learned. For myself, I probably wouldn't bother, although it would be nice to have a big chart or two on the wall.
Would I be right in thinking that I could get a big chart out of one of the trial programmes? I'm thinking of something "quick and dirty" so that I can construct a couple of graphic charts this week, for starters.
Downside, I think part of my problem in visualizing all this is that I have never worked with a "database technology" programme!
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Gedcom is not a program in its own right nor does it produce charts or any visual output on its own .... Gedcom is the name given to what is now accepted as the common link between many different computer based genealogy programs. Just as Word produces .Doc files genealogy programs can produce .ged files (gedcom's)
That said, there are a number of differences between the many programs available.
A gedcom file would certainly make it easier to pass your information to someone else who already had a computerised system to read the information but it is unlikely to be of any assistance to the non computer user and that is where your written narrative is far superior.
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I have never worked with a "database technology" programme
In a way you have. A database is a way or organising data using a type of SQL (Structured Query Language) which allows reports and charts to be generated from the information in the database and presumably your Word document is organised using your own particular method. A gedcom file is a structured text file. What you illustrated above is actually called an Outline Descendancy Report.
As I mentioned in my first thread you can download PAF free of charge and it is the full program. It doesn't matter whether you like the program because your data can always be transferred to another program via a gedcom file.
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So, if I understand correctly, then,
if I entered my basic data (BMDs) on any of these programmes, it would generate a gedcom, which is a kind of file that can somehow be transferred to other programmes? Is that right?
If I wanted to produce some very basic charts, let's say just with BMDs, would one of these free programmes be able to do that, do you think? It's hard to figure out what they do exactly. I think it would be easier for me to start with one that can do that, if I knew which one it would be.
I'm a little leery of the sites that appear to be LDS-owned, as I have a lingering fear that they would consider that they then owned my information, especially if they were free access sites. They seem to be so aggressive about acquiring data.
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PAF although originating from the LDS does not grab nor hand over any of your information and as said the basic version is free.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/pafonline.asp
Family Historian, The master genealogist and many other paid for programs generally have a trial version for a free download a sort of "try before you buy".
Family Historian http://www.family-historian.co.uk/
The Master genealogist http://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?screen=TMG
To try out these different programs you need only enter the information once and you could then use the gedcom file generated by the first program to upload the same information into any of the others without having to re type it all again.
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Often on the free discs with Family History Magazines there are free trials of Family History Programmes.
I downloaded lots before I settled on the one I preferred - it is only necessary to enter a few names to get the essence of how it works.
I agree with many other contributors that The Master Genealogist is the best BUT I consider myself reasonably intelligent and computer literate BUT I found it difficult to deal with. I ended up with Roots Magic ONLY because I found it the easiest one to erase entering mistakes, sounds simple but if an incorrect entry is made (easily) removing it is(in my opinion) very important. I also liked the format on screen - a basic pedigree OR a family page or a descendant format. I always have my own basic pedigree as my first choice because I can 'go to anywhere' from there.
:) :) :) :) :) :)
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I'm a little leery of the sites that appear to be LDS-owned, as I have a lingering fear that they would consider that they then owned my information, especially if they were free access sites. They seem to be so aggressive about acquiring data.
I think you may have misunderstood something. You download their free family tree program and it is installed on your hard drive. All the information you input stays on your computer unless you want to upload it.
As far as I know the LDS only own one website unless you are confusing them with myfamily.com who ancestry.com and many others.
All programs do basic charts and reports.
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Loo,
You can forget about producing easy to read family chart as you describe spanning several generations.
I have access to several large (AO plus) printers and anything more that 4 or 5 generations just takes up too much space as Reggie has said.
If you are producing a narative in word and want to put charts into that then you may get 3 generations on a page, but only if they are small families.
Bite the bullet and download a free program and give it a trial.
It wont hurt and it will help you make up your mind as to what you need.
Rog
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I'm a little leery of the sites that appear to be LDS-owned, as I have a lingering fear that they would consider that they then owned my information, especially if they were free access sites. They seem to be so aggressive about acquiring data.
The free LDS family tree program resides on your computer once you have downloaded it.....the data that you load into it can't go anywhere unless you send it somewhere! I don't believe the LDS is interested in stealing anyone's data and in fact I am in awe of the amount of free data that is available through the LDS Family History Library....and on the web.
Gedcom files are a great way to share the info with family and friends but they will need some kind of program in order to read the files.
I have managed to get a 6 generation chart on one document (with help from Mr Alice and Excel!)....anything bigger than that will have to go on a roll of white wallpaper....or I will have to start printing out multiple sheets and spending more money on Scotch Tape!
I use Family Tree Maker and am happy......although have not taken advantage of all the upgrades
Alice
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Alice,
If I start 6 generations back there are 413 names on my bottom line.
Rog
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I have been doing family history for about 30 years so I started before there was so many software providers,one thing I have learnt is that you do not need a complicated program all the latest Family Tree Makers are a complete waste of time and money,even Legacy is to complicated,if I was to give any advice on what to buy it would be this look on Ebay for the GSP family history software they come up fairly often,they date from about 1993 this may seem ancient but the program was so good it was developed into Family Tree Maker which as I have said is no good,so look for this old software it will work up to Vista it will not work on 7 the beauty of it is that it displays your whole tree if you want ,you will find it helps to work on your tree like that,this software is okay up to about 2003 after that it started to be changed into a much more complicated system.
This should cost about £3 with the postage on ebay
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This website will tell you more than you want to know about GedCom files.
Depending how adept you are with Word Processing, you might be able to generate a Gedcom file yourself from your existing word file (I did - but I have quite a bit of experience with using computers).
http://www.tamurajones.net/GEDCOMTags.xhtml