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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: sasafrass on Tuesday 02 May 06 09:06 BST (UK)
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New to the site - and it's great.
Before heading off to Chichester to find baptism record for John Napper, born 1803 or 1804 in Warnham, Sussex, I wondered if anyone else had already researched him. I am trying to discover who his parents were.
Other info I have on him is that he married Ann (b. 1810 Shere, Surrey) and had 3 daughters, Emily (b. 1834), Mary Anne (b. 1837) and Blanche (b. 1852).
Thanks in anticipation!
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat. I am sure I have seen someone researching Napper in Sussex recently. If you put it into the search facility at the top it should come up with all references to the name.
The Sussex Marriage Index has a marriage in Horsham 22 April 1832. John Napper and Ann Pollard. Bachelor and spinster. By Banns. Witnesses Christopher Pollard, Ann Pollard
If you can get a birth certificate for Blanche that should confirm her mother's maiden name so you can tell if this is the right one.
Andrea
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Hi Sassafrass and welcome to Rootschat.
1851 Cencus - Pyrford (Indexed as Nopper)
HO107/1593/Folio 358
Napper
John 47 head b Warnham
Ann 41 wife b Shere
Frederick 21 son b Shere Grocer
Edwin 18 son b Ockley
Emily 17 dau b "
Mary Ann 14 dau b "
Charles 9 son b "
Frank 6 son b Pyrford
Vandy ??? 2 son b "
+ 4 Servants
Joe
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1841-Cencus Ockley(Indexed as Happer)
HO107/1081/2-20-7
All born Surrey except John
Napper
John 35 Farmer
Ann 30
Edwin 9
Emily 7
Mary Ann 5
Charles 2m
Joe
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Joe - that's great - I was so disappointed when I couldn't find them in the 1841 and 51 Census - but you have found them. Thanks so much - and suddenly there are lots of other Nappers - I thought there were only 3 daughters!
And thanks Sillgen - I'll get Blanche's certificate but it sounds right.
I'll use the search facility too and hope I can get further back than 1804.
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I am so glad we could help you so quickly. Proving yet again that the Sussex board is one of the best!
Andrea
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Regarding your enquiry on John Napper. This gentleman is my 3 x great grandfather. He was born in Warnham in 1803 and died in Henfield in 1875. His parents were Dendy Napper(1778-1820) and Mary Knight(1779-1847). Dendy was the eldest son of Matthew Napper(1746-1801) and Sarah Dendy(1752-1844). John had an older brother Henry (1798-1862) and two older sisters Sarah(1800-1875) and Mary((1801-1883). Johns second son Edwin(1832-1909) is my great great grandfather). I have done extensive research on the family and would be happy to answer any queries you may have. A copy of the pedigree can be found in a volume of the Sussex Archaeoloigical Collection
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Hi Dazzle,
very interested to read your post re: John Napper at Warnham, Henry Napper (1798-1862) is our great grandfather times 3 and I recently drove down to Warnham to look at the house where the family lived for 300 years. "Slaughterford" is now called Ends Place and is in the exact same spot as the house described in the Sussex Arch. Collection. The original house burnt down in 1830 but the lakes are still there and you can see exactly where Dendy Napper tried to drive his coach and horses through the lakes to win a bet (which i am sure he lost, along with everything else). The family owned several farms in the area, and they all still exist. Sparr Farm, Lakers Lodge and Tismans. All in and around Wisborough Green, which seems to be the family church going back to around 1600. There is a gap from around 1860 on, which is where the Pyrford link seems to make sense. Thanks for posting about Mathew Napper's father, that really helps me, where did you get that info from?
best wishes
Thomas Napper
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Hi Thomas
Great to hear from you. My actual christian name is Lesley-dazzle is a nickname given to by my younger brother who could not say his l's.
My interest in the Napper family began over 40 years ago. When my father was alive at weekends we used to visit one of his great aunts by marriage who lived at Worthing. In her late husbands study hanging on the wall was an illuminated version of the family tree. When she died my father as one of the surviving male relatives inherited a lot of family documents including a hand written version of the pedigree done by Henry Frederick Napper(the younger) whose father Henry Frederick (the elder) was the youngest brother of Dendy.
Regarding Ends Place I managed to get a photo of the later building through the Francis Frith Website.
I also subscribe to the Genes Reunited website through which I have made contact with the New Zealand branch of the the Napper family who are descended from Dr Albert Napper(1815-1894) founder of the cottage hospital at Cranleigh. It was his 2nd son Charles Frederick (1846-1923)
who emigrated to NZ in the 1870's and settled in Christchurch. I have a lot of information on them given to me by the husband of one of CFN's gt grand-daughters. If you would like a copy please give me your address Also attached are a couple of photos of my gt gt gtandfather edwin . one is taken on the occasion of his golden wedding anniversary the other with his bothers. By the way which member of the family are you descended from and where do you live.-Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
its great to see those photo's, there is a striking resemblance to my grandfather Jack in Edwin. I have been working from my grandfathers work on a "Pedigree of Napper" family tree, which is the Sussex Arch. one i mentioned yesterday. It's a little unclear but it is marked that we go back to John Laker Napper who was Henry Frederick (the elders) brother, he lived at Lakers Lodge and Tismans (which i visited in the summer), Lakers Lodge is now owned by Phil Collins' ex wife!! Its a beautiful manor farm in Loxwood. Tisman's is an even more beautiful Georgian farmhouse, which appears in a sense to be the family nest.
I think that John Laker Napper was the son of Mathew Napper of Cranleigh and as you mention, and he was the son of Henry Napper of Crawley b.1698, but that's as far back as i can go, the tree itself goes back to 1404 and very soon becomes established in Loxwood (via the chapel) and Wisborough Green (St. Peter and Vincula). This is almost the family church, there were seven family tombs inside and i counted forty family graves outside.
The first birth certificate I have is for Charles Henry Napper in 1833 who was the son of Henry Napper, who was born and raised at Ends Place. He was a Blacksmith so my father always assumed and told me that we were all blacksmiths going back to 1404! Going to see Ends Place, Tisman's and Lakers Lodge i was not expecting that kind of scale, i don't think blacksmiths have ever lived in houses like that! John Laker seems to have owned a great deal of land south of Loxwood, I found contracts between him and the Wey and Arun Canal, and he owned farms all the way down to Pulborough via Roundstreet Common (Sparr Farm, Paplings, Newpound and Malham). I assume that after Dendy lost everything on the roulette tables of London that Henry Napper worked in the house forge to earn money, but he must have been born gentry and forced into a trade. Its a fascinating tale of riches to rags by all accounts.
Henry's son Charles Henry was a Grocer, born in Tunbridge Wells. His son Frederick George Napper (my great grandfather) was born in Tunbridge Wells and moved to Oldham in the 1890's to become headmaster of Oldham Grammar school. His son Jack, born in 1901 was my grandfather, brother Frederick, sisters Winifred and Edna, all born in Oldham around the turn of the century (as far as i know).
Jack became a renowned architect in Hull and Newcastle where he set up the architectural school in the university and ran a practice called "Napper Collerton Architects". His children Richard (my father, an architect) Adrian (Professor of architecture/engineering at Herriot Watt) and Claire were all born in Newcastle. Thats the line, i think thats as far as i can go back, but maybe with your help, i can go further. I think the illuminated family tree of Henry Frederick the Elder could be the missing link to take our tree back into the 1500's!
I also went to Warnham church where the naughty Dendy is buried, his tomb is cracked in half (probably still owed money) and there are a few family graves right next to the church. Apparently there is a dedication to Mathew and his wife inside, so i may return to have a look at that......
Many thanks for the photographs! Have you ever seen the print of the cricket match called 'The Great Match"? It has 5 members of the family portrayed watching the game or playing, i have a copy but you can look at it in most printshops that sell old prints. It is really how all of this started for me, because i love cricket and apparently it's in the genes!.....John Laker Napper played for Sussex as did his son Edwin.....
sorry to go on, i've never met anyone who knows about or is interested in this stuff,
Thomas Napper
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Apologies for bringing this post back up but I'm looking to contact Dazzle (aka Lesley) as I am trying to trace family members of Guy Napier Napper and Kathleen Mary Napper (Darby)
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Hi and welcome,
Dazzle has not been on Rootschat for a couple of years but if you click reply to this message that should activate our Personal Message system and by clicking the scroll under her name you can try contacting her that way. It should work if her email address has not changed. You need two posts to use the system.
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Morning Sillgen, that is very helpful thank you!