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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Chris Penrose on Sunday 30 April 06 19:49 BST (UK)
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I would like to make contact with descendants of Bennett PENROSE of Sennen, born about 1535.
My link is through his son William from his marriage to Jane Lanion, then to William PENROSE of Merther, up through the St Clement PENROSES, the Joseph PENROSES of Truro, to my Great Grandfather - Frederick PENROSE of Falmouth.
If you are a descendant, or need any help with your PENROSE research, please send me a personal message.
Myself and five other descendants of this union would very much like to hear from you.
All the best
Chris Penrose
CFHS 14375
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Hi
I have just discovered that Bennett Penrose was my wife's 11g grandfather. Her 3g grandfather Arthur P was assay master of Redruth in 1824. Her g grandfather Richard went from Illogan to California in 1870 to work in the mines but came back a couple of years later. His daughter Lucretia had two illegitimate children who she left in an orphanage in London - one of these was her father.
Bennet's 5(?)g grandfather Richard Penres seems to have married Eleanor Camville, who can be traced back to William de Braose, 4th Lord of Bramber. He is also my 23g grandfather, so that makes my wife and I 23rd cousins.
I would be very interested to get a clearer picture of Bennett's ancestry going back to Richard, and would be happy to share what I have with anyone who is interested.
Roger
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Hi Roger
I have tipped off the other Penrose cousins on my group about this posting, and know that at least one of them has already been in touch.
All the best
Chris
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hi i am researching penrose do u have any in your tree from the liskeard area of cornwall david
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I go back through the Joseph Penrose's of Truro back to William of Merther. If you could let me know your Penrose ancestry, I will be able to tell you our mutual ancestor.
All the best
Chris Penrose
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joseph penrose married elizabeth mary crabb 1900 liskeard there son william born 1905 married florence mabel bennett raa
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How far have you traced this back from this couple?
Kindest regards
Chris
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hi chris on the penrose side not very far all i know about josephs father is he died in 1872 williams mother hannah collins i can trace her father back to his birth in 1807 would love to find out abt josephs siblings have u any info u can help me with david
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hi David
I am back six generations at a marriage in 1705 just at the moment and am giving up for the night, having had a mixture of fun between the parishes, people who insist on having the same name while being born just days apart, LDS pedigrees skipping generations then having the gall to offer you CD GEDCOMs! etc etc
This should give everyone a laugh. It is from the Phillimore's marriage book for Cornwall:
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Marriages at Sancreed, 1559 to 1812.
NOTES-The following entries have been extracted from three Registers all of which are in an excellent state of preservation. The list of Marriages is continuous and apparently complete except from I647 to 1635.
The first Volume, which contains ail entries from x.559 to 1743 opens with three pages of cypher, the key to which is easily discoverable owing to the dates being given in the usual way. Thus :-T k q b o p n Cbpdbps & Zlsp Qbyqoo, Slopurbp 29 1695 is obviously Charles Trewren & Jone Argall, November 29, 1695, which entry is also found entered in its proper place. As the pages of cypher add nothing to the completeness of the record, they are omitted here, The second volume gives the marriages from 1743 to 1754 when it was superseded by Hardwicke’s register. The entries have been copied bv the Revs E. R. Nevill and T. Taylor, and are printed by permission of the Rev. John Stona, MA., Vicar of Sancreed.
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Now, I am betting that you are really disappointed that all the old records aren't in a cypher! I can tell you that when someone transcribed the parish records for Guiseley and Yeadon in Yorkshire, the coding sequences they used to fit everything onto a limited size and number of pages per book almost baffled me!
:) :) :) :)
I will send the info as soon as I can get a link into the visitations - might be tomorrow or the next day now.
All the best
Chris
PS Joseph Penrose was a tin miner. If he died in a mining accident, it should be recorded in a specialist source - if not genealogical, then perhaps at the Cornish Mining College in Camborne/Redruth.
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thanks chris your a star :) did it say what year joseph died in mining accident david
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David, You mentioned earlier that "Joseph's father" died in 1872. Where does this come from, as if it is true: to confirm the 1881 household I need to be looking for a widow, with Joseph as a son.
All the best
Chris
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josephs mother remarried in 1886 in east stonehouse plymouth to william colwill david
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joseph is with his mother in 91 cencus in st germans cornwall david
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I have realised from checking the 1901 census that I was on the wrong trail! :'(
Will redo now.
Regards
Chris
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was the info i gave u correct or have i made a mistake david
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It was me that went off on the wrong trail.
I am going to go one generation at a time - i.e. carefully!
What makes it awkward is that the Devon records are considerably harder to access than those in Cornwall.
We could do with the birth certificate for Joseph, but I will see what I can do.
This goes back to Joseph's birth for starters: (Now I will make myself some dinner!)
1901 CENSUS
1. Parish East Looe Piece Number 2195 Enumeration District 9 Folio 47.0 Schedule 219 Abode Chapel Street Name Joseph J H PENROSE Relationship HD Age 29 Sex M Occupation Farm Labourer Born At Stonehouse, DEV Disability – Employer, Worker or Own Account W At home – Alt. Surname –
2. Parish East Looe Piece Number 2195 Enumeration District 9 Folio 47.0 Schedule 219 Abode Chapel Street Name Elizabeth M PENROSE Relationship WI Age 26 Sex F Occupation - Born At St Keyne, CON Disability – Employer, Worker or Own Account – At home – Alt. Surname –
3. Parish East Looe Piece Number 2195 Enumeration District 9 Folio 47.0 Schedule 219 Abode Chapel Street Name Harry PENROSE Relationship SO Age 3m Sex M Occupation - Born At East Looe, CON Disability – Employer, Worker or Own Account – At home – Alt. Surname –
4. Parish East Looe Piece Number 2195 Enumeration District 9 Folio 47.0 Schedule 219 Abode Chapel Street Name Ellen M CRABB Relationship CI Age 14 Sex F Occupation - Born At Landlove Bridge, CON Disability – Employer, Worker or Own Account – At home – Alt. Surname –
Pasted from <http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/index/search/process.pl?cl=TGroup&gc=4&gr=5023&ds=73>
joseph penrose married elizabeth mary crabb 1900 liskeard there son william born 1905 married florence mabel bennett
Pasted from <http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=152743.new;topicseen>
Marriages Mar qtr 1900
Crabb Elizabeth Mary Liskeard
5c 78
Penrose Joseph James H Liskeard
5c 78
Pasted from www.freebmd.org
1891 Census
Enumeration District 2
Civil Parish of St. Germans, Eccl. Parish of St. Germans
98,Western Terrace,1,William Colwill,Head,M,50,,Carpenter,Employed,Sheviock Cornwall,,
,,,Hannah C Colwill,Wife,M,,41,,,St Germans Cornwall,,
,,,Alfred Colwill,Son,S,25,,Saddler,Employed,Sheviock Cornwall,,
,,,Annie Colwill,Dau,S,,19,General Servant Dom,Employed,Sheviock Cornwall,,
,,,Joseph Colwill,Son,S,17,,Groom Servant Dom,Employed,Sheviock Cornwall,,
,,,Thomas Colwill,Son,,13,,Scholar,,St Germans Cornwall,,
,,,Mary Colwill,Dau,,,11,Scholar,,St Germans Cornwall,,
,,,Frederick Colwill,Son,,10,,Scholar,,St Germans Cornwall,,
,,,Joseph J H Penrose,Stpson,S,19,,Labourer General,Employed,East Stonehouse Devon,,
1881 Census
Enumeration District 2
Civil Parish of St. Germans, Eccl. District of St. Germans
53,29 Fore Street,1,Ann Collins,Head,W,,66,Charwoman,Ipplepen Devon,,
,,,Emma Collins,Dau,S,,38,Charwoman,Launceston Cornwall,,
,,,Joseph Penrose,Grnson,,9,,Scholar,Stonehouse Devon
Births Sep 1871 nb July-September
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Penrose Joseph James H E. Stonehouse
5b 295
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did u know i live in devon area and go to plymouth records office regularly if u need look ups feel free to ask it does cover parts of cornwall but sadly not liskeard shame cheecky question i dont suppose u have any pictures of the penrose family joseph or his mother hannah collins david
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For any possible newspaper pictures and announcements about Joseph and Hannah and any of their children, you would need to go to the Central Library at Drake Circus - Local Studies Dept.
The Family History Dept has all the same parish records that the Plymouth Records Office do. The difference being that you can get copy certificates from the PRO. If you want to go into the PRO as well, treat yourself to a birth certificate for Joseph, and marriage certificates for Joseph and Elizabeth.
The first thing that you can check in the Central Library at Drake Circus is the actual date of Joseph Penrose's birth in the East Stonehouse parish records.
This will be a good starter for you to use to get to know what resources they have, and the staff are trained to show you what you can get out of the resources available, and how to use each to verify each other.
Parish burial records are also there, which aren't online because so few people want to transcribe anything negative.
Kind Regards
Chris
ps Terrible news about Plympton Library.
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thanks chris forgot about the library david
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Hi Chris
After researching my family tree i discovered that i also am a descendant of Bennett Penrose and Jane Lanion, coming down the William Penrose line. I have gone as far back as the early 1100's, which has certainly been interesting. Now that i have names, places and dates i would really like to build up a picture of what these individual people were actually like and the lives they led. Was it that they moved through Cornwall to follow work in the mines or did they do other jobs? Any information you have on this would be much appreciated.
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Dear Ducatist
The reference to the 1100s indicates that you have looked at the Visitations of Cornwall, which I have hardly touched as far as research is concerned.
The people named on those were landowners of some kind, and documents related to them are located in various places in UK, the USA, in various private collections, and places yet to be found. In addition, source documents continue to be entered on the internet, as in the case of the Cornish Wills, and Graveyard/Headstones, both being placed online or for sale via CD by the Cornish Family History Society.
These particular records are more accessible due to them being mostly after 1537 and the edict of King Henry VIII requiring Baptisms Marriages, and Burials to be formalised in Churches. This was, I believe, for two main reasons, i) to get Anglican Church support for his divorces, and ii) to obtain a clear idea of available troops in the ever likely event of war. This was supplemented by the Muster Rolls carried out in Tudor England, a copy of which for Cornwall I have somewhere on my computers.
The Penrose's were into everything in Cornwall, apart from the top of anything. For example, most families left Cornwall for other parts: a Penrose family was Earl Of Monmouth; and another one lived at Hertford Castle - which I know well from childhood visits.
If I knew where you were, I might be able to advise on availability of resources or local research societies.
What I have written above is just a taste of the sort of information or resources available.
You can just 'Google' someone and see what comes up, or look into a specific line.
I would be interested in any research you have done to get from yourself down to William Penrose of Merther.
Regards
Chris Penrose
(Born in Cornwall, residing in Leeds, Yorkshire)
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Hi,
I stumbled upon this thread by accident whilst Googling, and signed up so that I could reply.
I am a descendent of Richard and Eliza Penrose (ne Gribble), through his daughter Ellen (who married Ben Eddy who ran the Wellington pub in St Just, and the horse bus to Penzance) aroiunf the turn of the 20th Century.
My Father recently died so I have taken over his family tree.