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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: JeannieR on Saturday 29 April 06 14:14 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone........
If any one could help , in any way , I would be very grateful .
I am looking for ANY information , about my husbands great grandfather . RICHARD CHEETHAM , born C1853 in Lancashire / Cheshire . He was a Photographer / Artist . Family tradition has it , that he was a Court Photographer , in England , but liked a bit of the hard stuff , and was banished .....He was most certainly , a wonderful photographer , we have some of his works .
We know he was married , to Caroline Emily Crouch , born Binfield , Berkshire , C1853 at Liverpool , in 1873 .....from there , we have no trace ......they had several children in Dublin , notably , Augustus Alexander Cheetham , born September 1886 .
my husbands grandfather , who also became a photographer
They returned to England , we think about 1905 .
Can anyone help us ?? The 1901 census info would be wonderful .
Many thanks
JeannieR
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I can only find one family in Dublin but there is several other Cheethams dotted about Ireland
Samuel Henry born 1869
Charles Christopher b 1871
Alice Mary b 1875
all born No3 South City Dublin
father Patrick Cheetham
mother Elizabeth Hallion
audrey
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Hi Audrey.......
And thank you so much for looking !!
After I read your reply , I spent quite a while looking for the Cheethams.....and found the in Liverpool !!
The enumerator , had written their name as Cheetham Richard , not Richard Cheetham !! It is definitely my husbands family . (They would have to be awkward )
There is great elation around at the moment , because they just disappeared after their marriage in 1873 , but having found this info , I have managed to get back , this weekend ,to the late 1700's.........
Thank you once again
Jeannie
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Hello
I am new to rootschat and found your posting (from 4 years ago) about Richard Cheetham. I have been researching this family for some time now. He is my huabands great grandfather and I managed to get all of the information from Ireland (births of children etc) but drew a blank then. Your post about the 1901 census proved very useful. My husbands grandfather was also called richard and was a photographer in liverpool where he married for the second time (previous marriage in Dublin in 1896). He then becameMorris Richards (dont know why) and his photographic artists studio was called Carlton studio in Garston, Liverpool. I have been told that he was known in the area as Dickie twice, maybe because of the two names or two marriages ? I found a very interesting article about Caroline Crouch's brother but you may already have this. I am currently researching Richard Cheethams parents and have some info about them.
Enjoying this research as they were an interesting lot!
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My Goodness !!
Since I posted that question, I have done a lot od research, and have quite a lot of info too.....
Uncle Dickie Twice, married Clara Mangin , and had quite a few children . I did not know he had been married twice .I have photographs, taken by great grandad, and we are in touch with a grandaughter of Richard, who is now 86, and remembers him well.......
I know about Caroline Crouch's brother. Did you know that Fiona Bruce is descended from him ? She has the Crouch nose ! I have a beautiful photograph of Caroline and also one of Betsy....
I am so excited......
Which of Dickie twices children, is your husband descended from ?
Names I have are...
Kathleen 1902 / Morris 1903 / Doris / 1904 / Marjorie 1906 / Edward 1907 / Evelyn 1910 Gordon 1911 / Iris and Shelagh
I have to agree difficult family (with the name change ) to research, but I have them back to the 1780's in Derbyshire.......
Watch this space , will change my profile picture to Great grandad
Jeannie (Richards)
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Me Again....
Still excited too.
Uncle Dickie, was called Dickie Twice, because he was born as Richard Morris Cheetham. The family (all of them ) changed their name from from Cheetham to Richards , so he would have been Richard Richards....he took his middle name , Morris as his christian name.
Morris was the surname of Betsy , before she married Edward Crouch ....
Would you like my email address ?
JeannieR
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New members usually need 2/3 posts before using PM (personal message) System so if brennan1 makes one more post you can send your email address and other personal/recent family details that aren't allowed to be posted here by PM.
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Thank you for the prompt reply. My husband's mother was Evelyn. Richard/Dickie married an Ann Keogh in Dublin in 1896. I am still following up these details.
Happy to have your email
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Hello.....
I am trying to cook our evening meal, but I can't concentrate on it !
My husbands grandfather was Augustus Alexander Cheetham (Richards ) He too , was a eminent photographer, as was HIS son , Leslie Alexander Cheetham (Richards )
We have a wonderful portrait of Great Grandfather Richard Cheetham, taken at the studio in Garston, by Uncle Dickie Twice......
The photograph I have just put as my profile , was taken on their wedding day . Wasn't great grandma beautiful ? Richard and Caroline . died within a couple of weeks of each other, in 1933.
Not very good technically, but I will try to send you photographs in a email, but until you reply to this, will not be able to PM you
Kindest regards
JeannieR
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hello again
The photograph is wonderful. Lovely to be able to show my husband his great grandmother and my children their great great grandmother. Unfortunately we do not have any of the very old photos. Although I have details of my husbands mothers (evelyn maud) family members, I had not realised that there was a Gordon until your post. We now know that is why he (my husband) is called Gordon. His mother married an Aspinal and I am also researching this family along with my own ancesters.
Thank you again
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Dear Brennan1 and JeannieR
Just to introduce myself. I have already contacted Jeannie R. I am the grandchild of Evelyne Maude Cheetham who married Edwin Winterson. My parents were Richard Chastel and Muriel Rabbage. Would love your research on Richard Morris Cheetham, father of my and your grandparents.
Think I also met your parents at my Grand house.... a long long time ago.
Nice to hear we are not alone!
DottyC
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Hello Dotty c
I would be pleased to let you have any of the records, just let me know what you require.
Regards Brennan1
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Hello Brennen1,
Thank you for your reply. I find this all very odd as I fell upon RootsChat by pure chance and was not even researching relatives.
However, firstly, I have in my possession some birth and interment certificates of your direct uncles. Would you like them? An interment certificate for DONALD V CHETHAM, aged 23 months, 1915; EDWARD JOHN MONTROSE CHEETHAM, 29 March 1900; RICHARD MORRIS MONTROSE CHEETHAM, aged 10 years, 1913. I also have the birth certificate of Richard Morris. I have a beautifully written grave Certificate of Proprietor belonging to your Grandfather for grave 481 in St James's Cemetry.
My Gran Evelyne Maude (Cissie), must have been very close to her brother Richard as they lived near one another. I see that your mother was named after her also. Did you ever go to their house in Cressington Park? I have such strong memories of that house. We all did.
I am really intrigued by the parents of Richard Cheetham. Was there really a Jewish strain there and from where would they have originated ? Eastern Europe If you have any more details on all of this I would be very interested.
Let me know if you would like these certificates.
Many thanks, and best regards,
Dottyc.
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I am really intrigued by the parents of Richard Cheetham. Was there really a Jewish strain there and from where would they have originated ? Eastern Europe If you have any more details on all of this I would be very interested.
Dottyc.
Hi Dotty
I've been emailing Jeannie as I've been searching for the family of a Sgt Ronald Richards who died along with my uncle on a raid over Hamburg in 1942. Its been extremely difficult to trace them until the other day when I similtaneaously had an email from someone who I believe maybe be related to you all and also found Jeannie's post about a Roland Richards at the same time.
I've found several deed poll records for 5 members of the family changing their name from Cheetham to Richards and I couldn't understand why they might do this and then this morning it occurred to me that maybe they were Jewish and given the situation in Europe in 1934 felt very vulnerable and decided to change their name.
I have just emailed the Manchester jewish museum to see if they can confirm whether Cheetham is a Jewish name and would love to know any more details you might know that would help me solve the riddle.
Many thanks
Nicola
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Also I don't know if they're related to your branch of the family but I found some details about some indentures and bankruptcies for Cheethams in the 1800s:
John Cheetham 1826 Sheffield
John Cheetham 1843 Rochdale
James Cheetham & John Taylor Cheetham 1863
Elkanah Howard Cheetham & Samuel Howard Cheetham 1880 - does this suggest that there might be a Jewish branch, as suggested by the previous post and which might explain the name change on 1934?
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Hello Nicola,
I am having to run out of the house and so cant quite concentrate on all of your news. I cant wait to get back though. I am in Florida at the moment, but live in Switzerland. My daughter lives in London though. You sound a very interesting person. Must fly and thanks.
Dotty C. I have been in contact with Jeannie for some time and she is a mind of inforations. And yes my forefathers were rather prolific!!!!
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Hello Nicola,
We have a lovely photo of Roland Cheetham/Richards if you would like it. I am leaving tomorrow morning for about 12 days but if you would like more details I will happily send them to you upon my return. The Cheetham family were a very interesting lot!
Very nice meeting you even though you are not family.
Best regards, Dotty C.
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Hello again,
I will fish it out when I get back. I assume Roland is the same person who died in your father's plane.
I am actually off to the Galapagos and have n't packed yet. This family tree business fascinates me.
Best wishes,
Dotty C
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Hi Dotty and Jeannie
I've received some files today about a Ronald Cheetham and his family and I'm trying to work out if he is the same Roland/Ronald. He is listed several times between 1920s & 1930s on shipping files coming in with possible family members from China, Shanghai & Singapore.
The 'master' was Arthur, the wife was Ada, then a son called John and then 3 years younger Ronald. The earliest record is when he is 7 months old in 1923, then in 1926 when he is 3, then in 1932 when he is 8, then 1937 when he is 14.
I can send you the files if you like.
I'm wondering if he is the same Ronald, in which case who are Arthur and Ada? Are they his biological parents or are they other family members looking after him for parents back in England.
Nicola
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Hello again,
I will fish it out when I get back. I assume Roland is the same person who died in your father's plane.
I am actually off to the Galapagos and have n't packed yet. This family tree business fascinates me.
Best wishes,
Dotty C
My email is *
Thanks Dotty. It was my uncle's plane, not my father. Lucky you with the holiday, the other person I think might be related to you went off to the Canaries yesterday, I must say you Cheetham Richards like to travel :-)
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Me again!
Do I have the right to know who is the possible other family member or not?
Regards,
Dotty C
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Nicola and Dotty
Have a lovely time Dotty ! Speak to you soon.......
Nicola, I / we think that the Jewishness, came from Richard Cheethams mother.
Her name was Kerren Happuch Thelwell. Richard was Rolands grandfather. I have photographs of the whole family. which I will share if you would like
I have a photograph of great grandpa, and he looks quite jewish, if there is such a thing. All the family were photographers including Rolands father, Horace Victor Cheetham/ Richards
I can't wait to get home so that I can get on with more research !
Will let you know about Runnymede, when I have spoken to Jim (hubby)
Regards
Jeannie
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Jean,
What on earth is Runnymede? Is that where you went to look up stuff? Cant wait to know. I have just finished reading The Hare with the Amber Eyes.... it made me think of the Jewish side of the family and where they came from. An amazing book by the way and you would love it Jean as it goes back on a family track. Amazing.
Hoping to meet you this year also my far removed cousin.... your hubby. I still have NOT packed.
Love dotsxxx
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Jean,
What on earth is Runnymede? Is that where you went to look up stuff? Cant wait to know. I have just finished reading The Hare with the Amber Eyes.... it made me think of the Jewish side of the family and where they came from. An amazing book by the way and you would love it Jean as it goes back on a family track. Amazing.
Hoping to meet you this year also my far removed cousin.... your hubby. I still have NOT packed.
Love dotsxxx
The Runnymede Memorial lists all the fallen aircrew who have no known grave http://www.bomber-command.de/run.html and a general link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runnymede. You can also find individual entries on the Commonwealth Wargraves Commission website http://www.cwgc.org/. I've sent Jean a copy of Sgt Richards certificate, but you can download your own if you find the records for Ronald Geoffrey Richard
Its at the same place where the Magna Carta was signed in.
No, I got a lot of my information from The National Archives at Kew as well as the RAF and various other places
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Hi everyone.
I've been speaking with Jeannie. I am a relative also and recognised some names on here ie Leslie and Marjorie who I used to visit with my parents back in the 1960/1970's. My grandparents were Doris Lilian and Sidney Corke who lived in Bromborough, great grandparents were Clara Mangin and Richard (Dickie) Cheetham. I've found it fascinating how art and photography pop up so much as my daughter won a scholarship due to her being artistic, my mum was artistic and I love photography. Mum Valerie has passed away as has her sister Beryl. She had two brothers also who I assume have also died. I remember her speaking about an Uncle Eddie (Edwin perhpas?) and an aunt Betty. I'm sure other names will come back to me. Anyway, nice to be here.
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....notably , Augustus Alexander Cheetham , born September 1886
Born 11 September 1885 - Hardwicke Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02615/1965418.pdf
Emily ? Cheetham born 16 November 1889. MMN Crouch
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02454/1912140.pdf
Marriage Apr-Jun 1908
CHEETHAM Augustus Alexander Liverpool 8b 237
FINDLAY Sarah Jane McW Liverpool 8b 237
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl