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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: coralc on Saturday 29 April 06 02:25 BST (UK)
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My theory is that if I ask a lot of different questions, someone out there will have an answer to one of them !So, Boyds of Carrickfergus ?James, late 1700's, a recurring family name,showing up generation after generation, also lots of Davids, Williams & Thomas's.Straid & Ballynure recur as placenames, and they marry into the Weatherup family from time to time, farmers and mariners(unsurprising, given the location !) Eagerly awaiting answers, make my day!!
Regards, Coral
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Is it posible to have some more information please.
Bodys and Weatherup's in Carrickfergus graveyards ....have you found these yet..?
Steve
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Steve, My Boyds & Weatherups seem to have been mainly in farming or marine related occupations, and have been located in Carrickfergus, Straid, Ballynure,Ballyboley and Slievetrue.David Boyd,1890, David Snr,1857,Thomas Boyd,abt1870 & James Boyd, abt 1795(going back throgh the bloodline), & on the Weatherup side,from David,abt 1780,Samuel,abt1800,David,1832.Thomas, 1865, with Boyds & Weatherups intermarrying on a few occasions. Is this kind of information you mean ? Regards, Coral
PS There is a 20yr old Thomas Boyd at the Battle of Trafalgar who I long to claim, but not all Carrickfergus Boyds are mine, & I mustn't be greedy!!(or not until I have proof of a connection,anyway ! If anyone has details on him I'd love to hear about him)
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Hi all, Just thought I'd butt in as I have just discovered Boyd 's in my tree! Being from the Pool all roads lead back to Ireland so you never know! I have;
William Boyd c1795 marr Jane? they had a son..
Thomas Boyd b 1815 marr Dorothy McGee b 1820 they had a daughter
Dorothy Boyd b 1861 marr Domenick McLoughlin b 1859
Thats all I'm afraid!
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I'm sure some of my Boyds would have been Liverpudlians, as you say, the connection betyween Belfast & the Pool is strong, but those names & dates aren't obvious connections for me, I'll have a more extensive trawl later when I have time. Thanks for your response, have a great weekend, Coral
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Hi Folks
Stevenson and I have Boyds in Antrim too - but we need a bit of time to get things together and have a closer look!
I have this strange feeling we are all related on these boards and one day it will all come together! We are all cousins (some more distant than others) no matter our colour, religion or any belief at the end of the day!
I will dig out the Boyds soon ;D
saz xx
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Hi there.....
I have an "Annie Agnes Boyd"...who married into my "Close" family 25 Dec 1895, at Belmont Presbyterian Church in Belfast. Became the wife of Robert Henry Close b. 16 Jan 1870, as such I "assume" she would be around the same age...Have not applied for their marriage certificate as of yet so I don't have her fathers name....of interest tho.... their daughters were named after other family members ie: Susannah Headley Close, Margaret Hedley Close (our Line), so once again I assume the "Agnes Hag(g)an Close", Annie, & Nellie would probably come from the Boyd side of the family as we have no Aggie's, Annie's or Nellie's in our line....
All the Best
Wendy
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Coralc
I have trawled through the graveyards on micro fiche for you and you say now that you have found them..........................so thats great..........lots of them seem to have left wills...........so you maybe able to find out more information by finding a particular persons will that is most intrest to you...PRONI ..will have these.
If you goggle "Boyd genealogy" you will find a site just for Boyd's
Wendy..... as you are a Close and Agnes and Nellie in your tree...think your rellies must have come from Carnmoney area much like ours.
Liverpool lass
I always thought all roads lead to Rome.....until I started my rellie hunt.........they now all lead to Ireland ;D...bet our families cross in 1750's
Steve
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Actually Steve mine are all over the place! I have large groups in Wales and Scotland and now Ireland. They have also travelled to the US, Aus, NZ, Italy, Jersey,,,,,,
I was betting I was the one Scouser with no Irish lineage to speak of - silly me.
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Liverpool Lass, I think we might have a crossed wire re graves & wills, as I only know of 1 will, and no gravestones, so would love any info you might have! Is it possible for me to access PRONI files from Australia ?Thanks for your help, Coral
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Hi Coral, I think we are getting confused! I just jumped in on this conversation because of the Boyd link - don't know anything about PRONI. Maybe Steve will reply!
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ok Coralc
Sorry thought by your message you had all the graves .....no problems............ I will re-look and write the information down...have some numbers also for wills/land ownership etc to look at in Proni...but think you need to go and look...but I could be wrong.
Maybe some other rootschatter could tell us if there is anywhere else on-line to access wills etc.
Steve
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I have a Margaret Boyd b. 1851 in Newtonhamilton, Armagh m. Oct 1869 Alexander Frazer. Does this ring any bells.
Walt
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Sorry ,Walt, Doesn't look like one of mine, but who knows, I don't have all the sblings in all the families, so maybe someday. Thanks for the response, Regards, Coral
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Coral
Try and get the Ordnance Survey Memoir for Carrickfurgus you can order it from www.ancestryireland.co.uk.
I will PM you what I have found so far
Steve
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Dear Stevenson, For some reason the only PM 's I can come up with are Post Mortem, Prime Minister & Post Meridian, am I missing something incredibly obvious ? I've been playing with my lovely new Family Tree Maker and am suffering the consequences of a major learning curve and not much sleep, plus pangs of remorse !(I'd sworn off any more spending on genealogy until AFTER my daughters wedding, I am a BAD person! )Whatever it is you're going to do, I'll be looking forward to it,and I'll follow up on your suggestion AFTER the wedding. Thanks, Coral
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oh my sides are sore laughing now Coralc........
I must be bad person as well...with all my spends. 8)
your Personal Messages/PM's .....go to the top off this page and in the right hand top corner you will see how many you have got....just click on it and you will be able to read them............
Speak soon Steve
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Coarlc
Just to let you know...................that searching for you ...has lead me to a David Boyd ( born 01/11/1864 Doagh) all of my very own ;D......son of our William John Boyd and Elizabeth Sherrard.
Walt
I have not found any leads for you yet
Steve
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Hiya folks,
I posted a message about Boyds on the McLean (McClean) and Devlin board.
I opened the thread for Áine Maire. Her Boyds lived in Edward Street near the McCleans. Aggie and Annie McClean married James and Stephen Boyd but we are not sure which sister married which brother.
All the Best, Chris
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Coralc
I have trawled through the graveyards on micro fiche for you and you say now that you have found them..........................so thats great..........lots of them seem to have left wills...........so you maybe able to find out more information by finding a particular persons will that is most intrest to you...PRONI ..will have these.
If you goggle "Boyd genealogy" you will find a site just for Boyd's
Wendy..... as you are a Close and Agnes and Nellie in your tree...think your rellies must have come from Carnmoney area much like ours.
Liverpool lass
I always thought all roads lead to Rome.....until I started my rellie hunt.........they now all lead to Ireland ;D...bet our families cross in 1750's
Steve
Steve,
Don't know if this will be of interest to you....but while looking for a Close burial...we found him buried with the "Boyd's " in Dundonald.....this is what we found...
Dundolald cemetery in section 45, no
438
1 William Boyd 35 1/aug/07
2 Archibald Walker 4.5 10/Nov/07
3 Agnes Boyd 60 12/Jun/12
4 Mary Boyd Spence 1.8 21/Dec/12
5 Robert Henry Close 1.5 18/jan/13
6 Anges H Mackey 1.22 8/oct10/26
All the Best
Wendy
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Thank you Wendy
Any information is always greatfully received at any time.
If the years are the 1900's was the Walker/Close buried with a Boyd.....
I wonder how Coralc is getting on with her Boyd's?
Steve
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Hi Steve...
Looks like the grave may have been purchased for a William Boyd,as he was the first to be buried there, then the Walker was added, as was Agnes Boyd...(I wonder if William was my Annie's brother? and Agnes was the mother???) I have a feeling the other surnames are a result of marriages into the Boyd family...as that is how the Close burial came to be...was the baby son of Annie Agnes Boyd, who married a Close...and yes the years would be 1900's.
All the Best
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
Dundonald would have seemed to far out ,for them to be mine, but I have learned in recent months that I should never rule anyone out ;D
Thank you
Steve
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Would you mind if I butt in. Boyd seems to a popular name & I have a few in my trees - quite a bit away from Carrickfergus though but I will leave it up to you - any info is better than none - is what I have learnt.
Samuel Boyd b-1860 Married Elizabeth Nicol, 08/01/1881, Ahoghill Presbyterian Church. They move to Scotland, where Mary, Samuel, Thomas, James & Elizabeth are born before at least Mary returns to Ireland to marry William (Willie) Pearson -22/12/1911 @ Taylorstown Pres. Church, Co.Antrim.
Good luck on your research
Mark
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This may be a little obscure,but as part of my Charters Family of Antrim,I have a Daniel Charters b1788 Bally Roe who married a Jane Boyd b1795 Dunadry,13.2.1821 1st Presbyterian Church Donegore.
They arrived 1841 NSW Australia.
This Daniel and Jane (may have been Margaret Jane),had a son Daniel b27.10.1837 Ballynoe.
He became a bushranger and was known as "Flash Dan".He was associated with the bushranger Ben Hall.
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This may be a bit off but might interest someone especially Lazarus with his Aussie connection.
John Boyd married Agnes Colville, born 24 Dec. 1859 Islandmagee, Co. Antrim, migrated to NSW, Australia in Oct. 1884 aboard S.S. Texan. Their marriage was registered at Sydney in 1888. They had 5 children:
Samuel Boyd - born 1889 reg'd Sydney, NSW, Australia
Annie M. Boyd - born 1892 reg'd Sydney, NSW
Agnes H. Boyd - born 1896 reg'd Waverley, NSW
Francis H. Boyd - born 1899 reg'd Waverley, NSW
Robert T. Boyd - born 1902 reg'd Waverley, NSW
Good hunting.
J.A.M.
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ROBERT CLOSE M. JANE BOYD 9-2-1849 AT BALLYCARRY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, TEMPLECORRAN, LARNE, ANTRIM. HUSBAND PREVIOUSLY MARRIED. FATHERS. JOHN CLOSE & ARTHUR BOYD.
regards mary.
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Hello Mary,
I Thank you for the information, will keep track of it, as a John Close is the father of my GRT GRT Grandfather James Watson Close b. 13 Aug1843. As well, Robert is a name that runs thru every generation of my family to present day. So could be promising.
The Close Buried with the Boyd's is the son of Robert Henry Close and Agnes Boyd, who married 25 Dec 1895 at Belmont Presbyterian Church. Robert was the son of my James.
All the Best
Wendy
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Hi Coralc
I've just been reading through your Boyd links so I thought I'd throw another one or two in from the McClintons. My GGgranny was Mary Ann Boyd b1856, her sis Sarah Boyd b1841 and Sarah's son Robert Boyd b1886. Mary Ann married Robert McClinton in 1885 - I'm waiting for their marraige cert for more info. They lived in Cambrai St Belfast from at least 1901. Their daughter was Alicia and her son Samuel. ( a Jane Boyd appeared on Samuel's b cert ).
Does any of this sound familiar as the Boyd link is new to me and quite vague.
Best Regards
June
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MARY ANN BOYD M ROBERT MCCLINTON 13-7-1885 AT CARLISLE MEMORIAL METHODIST CHURCH. SHANKILL, BELFAST, ANTRIM.
REGARDS MARY.
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MaryDerry,
What a star you are. How on earth did you manage to come across the info - are they connected to something you are researching or is it from another site , I'd be really interested to know. It 'll be much easier to get their marraige cert now so many thanks.
Best Wishes
June
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Hi all....
Have attached a photo of Annie Agnes Boyd m Robert Henry Close, 25 Dec 1895. Annie is in the middle, the girl to the left is her daughter Margaret Close who married John Cooke, and the one of the right is Nellie Close who married William McKernin......does anyone see a family resemblence? Was taken in 1928....I think maybe at the Coast???
Wendy
oops...had to resize the photo
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HI, I know this thread has been inactive for 15 years however I note the poster was last active in the past year or two.
coraic states that Straid, which is in the parish of Ballynure. appears often in their research. I am descended from Boyds of Straid, and would be most interested to know what you have. The furthest back I can go is James Boyd born around 1815 and married to Joyce McKeen. William and Thomas are amongst the names of their children, just as you state William and Thomas appear frequently.
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Just adding this link about the 1885 marriage (reply #29)-
Mary Ann Boyd married Robert McClinton on 13-7-1885 at Carlisle Memorial Methodist Church. Shankill, Belfast, Antrim.
The capital letters replaced by standard text.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10872/5970815.pdf
Robert McClinton of full age, a bachelor and labourer and living at 16 Carnan Street. Mary Anne Boyd of full age, a spinster and living at 118 Cambria [sic] Street.
Robert's father, Samuel McClinton a labourer. Mary Anne's father, David Boyd also a labourer.
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Hi Mabus,
I am not related to the Boyds, but I am from Straid, and I know of two descendants of James Boyd and Joyce McKeen who have done DNA tests. One is descended from their daughter Mary (born c1845) and another from their daughter Helen (born 1855).
They had at least 7 children – which one are you descended from?
Gilby
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I have an "Annie Agnes Boyd"...who married into my "Close" family 25 Dec 1895, at Belmont Presbyterian Church in Belfast. Became the wife of Robert Henry Close….
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10541/5839570.pdf
Robert Henry Close a blacksmith, whose father James Watson Close was also a blacksmith. A Jeanie Boyd was one of the witnesses.
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I have a Margaret Boyd b. 1851 in Newtonhamilton, Armagh m. Oct 1869 Alexander Frazer. Does this ring any bells.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11434/8200136.pdf
Married in Cladymore Presbyterian Church. Alexander Frazer a farmer living in the townland of Ballintemple.
Margaret Boyd (aged 18) living in Enagh townland, civil parish of Kilclooney.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/fews-upper/ballymyre/ballymyre/ballintemple/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/fews-lower/kilclooney-lower-fews-portion/clady/enagh/
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..their daughters were named after other family members ie: Susannah Headley Close, Margaret Hedley Close….
Susanna Hedley Close born 10 August 1897.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02120/1806361.pdf
Agnes Haggan Close born 11 August 1899.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02021/1775724.pdf
Annie Hedley Close born 22 July 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01861/1725406.pdf
Nellie Close born 12 April 1905.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01787/1701950.pdf
Margaret Headley Close born 6 December 1908.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01627/1651467.pdf
Also their son Robert Henry Close born 21 August 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01521/1617716.pdf
Added:
Robert Close and family in 1911 census.
House 74 in Newcastle Street (Victoria (part of), Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Newcastle_Street/226125/
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Susanna Hedley Close born 10 August 1897.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02120/1806361.pdf
Agnes Haggan Close born 11 August 1899.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02021/1775724.pdf
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Susannah Headley Close married Charles Bones Wilkinson on 21 April 1919 at Albertbridge Congregational Church, Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09671/5507316.pdf
Two children to 1921-
Elizabeth Jane Wilkinson born 23 December 1919.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01226/1510201.pdf
Robert Henry Wilkinson born 29 August 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1921/01178/1490978.pdf
Agnes Hagan Close married Robert John Semple on 10 July 1920 at Albertbridge Congregational Church, Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09266/5354777.pdf
Daughter Alice Semple born 30 June 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1921/01178/1491100.pdf
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Hi Mabus,
I am not related to the Boyds, but I am from Straid, and I know of two descendants of James Boyd and Joyce McKeen who have done DNA tests. One is descended from their daughter Mary (born c1845) and another from their daughter Helen (born 1855).
They had at least 7 children – which one are you descended from?
Gilby
Hi, thanks for the response. I have information for eight children of James and Joyce (seven confirmed) of which Helen isn't one. However I think that can be remedied by the fact they had a daughter called Ellen born c1854 - who no doubt must be the Helen you speak of. She married John Alexander Green and they are my 2nd great-grandparents. Ellen would name my great-great grandfather after her brother William Andrew who died seven year old.
I know Mary married John Wilson and I have details of all their children's births and 1901-1911 census details.
I would be most interested in seeing if I could compare those DNA tests to mine (23andme) or via Gedmatch to see what common relations/connections/leads pop up.
[Edit:] Just doing more research on Ellen and Mary's brother Thomas and it turns out his grand-son is the highly prominent anatomist James Dickson/Dixon Boyd http://www.newulsterbiography.co.uk/index.php/home/printPerson/1970 (http://www.newulsterbiography.co.uk/index.php/home/printPerson/1970), who in turn has two highly notable sons, Sir Robert David Hugh Boyd and Sir John Dixon Boyd, who would be my mum's third-cousins.
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...a daughter called Ellen born c1854 - who no doubt must be the Helen you speak of. She married John Alexander Green...
Link to the marriage - 20 August 1872 at Carnmoney Parish Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11312/8150983.pdf