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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Greenemma on Friday 28 April 06 04:32 BST (UK)
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12th May 2008
I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THIS PERSON
Can anyone help to locate my missing Great Great Grandfather?
Been looking for him for years without success.
Here's what we know about him
William Torvil Patterson born 1858 in Sleswick Holstein Germany
parents are Petronilla (nee Larsen) and Parker Nilson Patterson
William married 22 Sept 1886 in Ararat Victoria Australia to Mrs Eliza Fry Jones (nee Poad).
Eliza was a widow with 4 children, her first husband John Hugh Jones died from an accident in 1884.
4 children were born to William and Eliza, the last daughter born 1896
Family rumour has it that William deserted Eliza
1890 there is record in the Ballarat Directory of Mrs E Patterson living in Wills St, Ballarat no mention of Mr Patterson.
Can anyone help find William?
Any information or leads would be very welcome as we have hit a brick wall with this.
I would dearly love to know what became of my great grandfather.
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Hi Greenemma
It's not him, but have you seen this in NAA: maybe connected:
http://naa12.naa.gov.au
PATTERSON WILLIAM TORVAL CLAUDE (born 1913 Ararat Victoria)
It's an open record - you can request it be digitised and placed on line.
But this website : his father is Piers Neil Torval PATTERSON b 1889.
http://jmoore2.tripod.com/fam00359.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly,
Thanks for your reply, Piers and William are my William's son and grandson.
Thanks for the link to Judy's tree it is the same family, but unfortunately her email doesn't work. Thanks for the info.
Regards.
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Have you got Peers' marriage certificate - or death certificate
or Edna's 1896 birth certificate - to check what address the parents were at
with death date we could look up 1921 death notice to see if father is mentioned
You only mention the address in 1890 but that is 6 years before the last birth
- the directory only mentions one - as she was married before doesn't mean the house got put into William's name - you need the electrol roll for 1899
what does Elizabeth's death certificate say - widow - divorcee?
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply has given me a bit to think about and act on.
Peers died in Ararat, so I guess the death notice would be in the Ararat Newspaper? I don't have access to looking that up.
No I haven't got Peer's marriage or death cert, as he is only a great Uncle, I didn't get them, likewise Edna's birth cert. Though I would try other options first.
Eliza (not Elizabeth) and her first Husband John Jones lived in Ararat, never in Ballarat.
So the house in Ballarat would have either been a rental or if owned would have been in the Patterson name. The directory say Mrs E Patterson 1890 to 1906 at 35 Wills St, Ballarat East
1924 18 Wills St, Ballarat, perhaps the council renumbered the street, as they sometimes did when more houses were built or they extended the street.
I will look up the electrol roll next time I go the the Library, thanks for the suggestion it is much appreciated.
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I know in Melbourne the new numbering system for house started in 1900
so maybe the same in ballarat
Do you have an exact date of death for either - my sister gets up to the library often - maybe she will check for you
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12th May 2008
I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THIS PERSON
Can anyone help to locate my missing Great Great Grandfather?
Been looking for him for years without success.
Can anyone help find William?
Any information or leads would be very welcome as we have hit a brick wall with this.
I would dearly love to know what became of my great grandfather.
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Have you tried getting any certificates yet? The death certificate for his wife MAY indicate whether he was still living.
Have you checked the divorce records to see if they were divorced?
Funeral notices for his wife or children? Is he mentioned?
Naturalisation papers? If he wasn't naturalised, he wouldn't be on any electoral rolls
Trish
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I found these two links.
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/names/p.htm
http://www.geocities.com/mepnab2/poad/poad.html?200812
Perhaps you may be able to contact the people listed in them.
Good luck,
Sarra
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Hi Sarra, The first link is my post on that web site. Yes I have seen the second web site. Cheers.
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Yes I have checked the divorces :) Myself and several other cousins have been hunting everywhere and haven't been able to find William.
There is a family rumour that William was possibly in trouble with the law.
Others think he could possibly have changed his name.
Others think he may have gone overseas.
I am hoping someone may know of him.
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Hi
I see William was born in Germany, do you know if he was a German citizen? or whether his father was British? I was wondering as to whether German citizens were interned in WW1 and, if so, whether there is a list perhaps in the National Archives
Andy
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Still searching for William Torval Patterson
gone missing
any help or suggestions would be appreciated
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Hi
Patterson does not sound to me to be a German name. Do you know if Patterson was his surname at birth? What about his immigration records?
Regards
Jennaya
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Do you have any of the children's birth certificates?
You really need to get the 1896 one, I think. That will show you the family address, William's occupation at the time, etc, and may give you an idea of whether or not he actually hung around until the last daughter was born or if he was gone by then.
Given the region William was from (Schleswig-Holstein) he may be Petersen originally and Torvil/Torval = Torvald/Thorvald?
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Thanks for the replies
William Torval Patterson occupation Carpenter
Mother: Petronilla Larson
Father: Parker Nilson Patterson, occupation Soldier
They may have been Danish, before Schleswig Holstein, became part of Germany, but not sure about the historical time line of this
There is an account of court proceeding in the newspaper where William had evidently assaulted his step-daughters fiancee and William was referred to as "that excitable foreigner".
So I guess that it would have been the Ararat Newspaper, but cannot find anything relating to this family story on the trove web site.
William has got 2 step daughters
Harriett Ellin Jones b 1874 Ararat, married 1899 William Pat Procter or Proctor
Eliza Fry Jones b 1876 Ararat, cant find marriage date, but her daughter was born 1910
That would mean that William was still in Ararat before 1899
Possibilities, I havent been able to follow these through, not sure if any of these
might be him
William Patterson Inquest 10 Oct 1925 Ref 1138 Pulmonary oedema
William T H Patterson Inquest 15 May 1925 ref 586 Accident fall from bed Died 1934
cert 11397/1897 PATTERSON WILLIAM death
parents UNKNOWN COLLARENEBRI NSW
death 7779/1902 PATERSON WILLIAM SYDNEY
death 2384/1903 PATERSON WILLIAM WEST MAITLAND, NSW
Mr W Patterson aged 45 (b1857) Ship Warrigal Departed Dec 1902
Destination Natal Capetown London via Ports
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Possibilities, I havent been able to follow these through, not sure if any of these might be him
William Patterson Inquest 10 Oct 1925 Ref 1138 Pulmonary oedema
William T H Patterson Inquest 15 May 1925 ref 586 Accident fall from bed Died 1934
Details for the above two William PATTERSON's:
1. Death is registered at KEW & he is buried at Springvale Botanical Cemetery, 8 October 1925.
Death:
PATTERSON Wm 50yrs d. 1925 KEW 14002
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Burial:
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/27980
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch
2. Death is registered at MELBOURNE & he was buried at Fawkner Memorial Park, 10/05/1934 with his mother.
Death:
PATTERSON Wm Thos Huntley 79yrs d. 1934 MELB #4043
Father: Andw Walt PATTERSON
Mother: Elizth COTTER
Burial:
http://mapping.fcmp.com.au:1001/PubMapping/PrintOut.aspx?Cemetery=FCMP&DeceasedID=48805
http://mapping.fcmp.com.au:1001/Pubmapping/index.aspx
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Thank you for your reply. I am very sure Elizabeth Cotter is not his mother, so I can rule out that one.
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Can anyone help to locate my missing Great Great Grandfather?
Been looking for him for years without success.
Deceased possibly between 1895 to 1924.
Can anyone help find William?
Any information or leads would be very welcome as we have hit a brick wall with this.
I would dearly love to know what became of my great grandfather.