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I am researching my founding ancestors in Australia and have reasonable records for the family of Charles and Mary Wilkes since their arrival in Australia in 1854 to the present.
Charles Wilkes married Mary Piggin at St.Martins in the Field Westminster in October 1842. They emigrated to Australia on Kate in 1854 as assisted migrants with sons Samual, William and Edwin, also Marys sister Eleanor Piggin. The shipping records in Australia shows Charles birthplace to be St. Catherines Gloucester. His age on this shipping record is 31, which makes his birth date to be circa 1823.
His marriage detail shows father as Samual Wilkes Pinmaker. At the time of Charles marriage he was a Mason of College St. London and was also a Mason in Australia.
LDS IGI records list a Charles Wilkes birth at Berkeley Gloucester on 8 Dec 1821, also a marriage of a Samual Wilkes to Mary Warnham at Berkely on 25 Mar 1813.
Could the reference to Berkeley and St.Catherines be the same person or a wrong assumption.
My aim is to establish the correct detail for Charles and hopefully identify his siblings at this stage.
I need help or advice from someone with an interest in the Wilkes family or geographical knowledge of the Gloucester area of the 1800s.
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Hi Johnfw
A few years ago when I was in the Guild of One Name Studies - one of the other members was researching Wilkes and I made an enquiry with him about my Sarah Wilkes in Gloucester - At that time he had 30,000 entries with the surname WILKES & Variants
The Guild of one-name studies web site is
www.one-name.org
Member 1299 - Mr Colin Edward Wilkes
17 Cavendish Drive
Waterlooville
Portsmouth
Hants. PO7 7PJ
If anyone should know the answer to your question - it has got to be him
Let me know how you get on
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
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Chris
Thanks for the info. I am spoilt by the luxury of internet and e-mail. I will have to build up the energy to contact the person mentioned by snail mail. In the meantime he along with other one-namers might join the media we are now using, it is a luxury to get such response without leaving the computer.
I can only wish that this site will provide such a source of information as I imagine it's potential to be.
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I have had the most valued response from Colin Wilkes mentioned above. I now seek the assistance of someone who might have access to The Gloucester Records Office. I have eliminated the Berkeley Wilkes connections mentioned in my previous post. Charles Wilkes' place of birth is almost certainly St Catherne's in 1823, I have his likely siblings born to Samuel Wilkes and Maria Holder. They are Ann 1811, William 1813, Samuel 1816, Edwin 1819, and Harriet 1821. To confirm this supposition the given names William, Samuel, Edwin and Charles continued in Australia for at least two more generations, along with the name Hickling as a given middle name.
I already have accessed the 1851 census records for Gloucester and am in the process of assimilating this information.
A lookup for the 1851 census of London Westminster might locate Charles Wilkes who was resident of either College Street or Tufton Street employed as a Stone Mason also Wife Mary Piggin.
John Wilkes
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I can now add that I have had a successful response from the Gloucester Records Office. I emailed them with regard my ancestor Charles Wilkes whom I believed baptized St Catherines Gloucester in 1823. He did not appear on IGI listings. I believed his siblings Ann 1811, William 1813, Samuel 1816, Edwin 1819 and Harriet 1821 to be correct with parents Samuel and Maria.
The records have now confirmed an entry in the baptism register for the parish of St Catherine of Charles Wilkes on 18th January 1823 with the correct parents Samuel and Maria, also Samuels occupation of 'Pinner' which I already had detail of.
I guess the IGI listings are not perfect and I am now pleased that I pursued the matter. I had been lead astray by some well meaning researchers in Australia who had unintentionally pointed me to a Charles Wilkes born in 1821 in Berkeley Gloucestershire, he also had parents Samuel and Mary, which was close.
I can only thank the staff of the Gloucester Records Office/Archives for such a result.
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Hi John my Gt Grandmother was a Wilkes and over the years i have made various notes on this family.I think that we share a common ancestor in one John Wilkes (a sergeweaver) who was made a freeman of the city of Gloucester in 1715.When someone is made a freeman it then passes down from father to son and i do believe that some of the Wilkes family are still freemen today.
I have notes on a William Wilkes a boot and shoe maker son of Samuel a pinmaker being made a freeman in 1835 then Samuel Wilkes a cordwainer son of Samuel a pinmaker being made a freeman in 1839and also Edwin a pinmaker son of Samuel in1840 .To be a freeman a man had to be at least 21 years old.
The records are kept at The Mayors Office, Gloucester City Council,North Warehouse, The Docks.Gloucester.GL1 2EP
email heretohelp@gloucester.gov.uk
Regards Mo
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Hi Mo
I accept your suggested connection. My Charles Wilkes would have been the brother of William the bootmaker both being sons of Samuel and Maria. I have Samuels parents as Charles and Elizabeth Bradley m. 15 Jan 1765 in Tewkesbury.
Do you have the links between Charles Wilkes father of Samuel connecting to John Wilkes the sergeweaver.
I would be very happy to go back to this time if this is information is available.
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Hello John The only early records of the Wilkes family that i have looked at are the freemans records All will need checking as the work was done some years ago.
Anyway here they are Samuel Wilkes (pinmaker son of Charles)made a freeman in 1809. I am descended from William (pinmaker) brother of Samuel.Charles Wilkes (pinmaker) son of John (wiredrawer) made a freeman in 1785. John Wilkes (wiredrawer) was made a freeman in 1741 and then disfranchised in 1781 to enable him to give evidence in a case between the mercers company and James Hayward a non freeman John was readmitted in 1783.This John was the son of John Wilkes (sergeweaver)who was made a freeman in 1715 on his masters Jacob Lumbards copy.Regards Mo
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HI John
This is great reading. My name is Warren Wilkes and my Grandfather was Charles Henry Wilkes from Glebe NSW . From reading your post I think you are the Grandson of Edwin Robert,my Grandfathers brother. You mention the Cheesemans in your post and Pas sister Rose Australia was married to a Cheeseman.Hope to hear from you so I can update you on another side of the family
Regards Warren
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Hi Warren
Happy to have you on board! :)
Although John originally posted in 2004, I see that he has been online quite recently, so hopefully will get back to you before long! How exciting!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Warren
Yes there is a connection. Your grandfather Charles Henry son of Edwin Robert, then my connection is from William a brother of Edwin Robert (Samuel Hickling, William and Edwin Robert original immigrants with parents Charles and Mary Piggin). The family of William ended up in Lindfield with Coaches and drays then dairy on what is now Killara Golf links.
John
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John
Thank you for your reply. This clarifies the connection . I am new to this and this has been a good start. Horses and drays must have been a family trait, for Edwin Robert did the same at Glebe. Just out of interest did you find where "Colony's Bush" was located Waterloo? .I seem to have followed your path to Hurstville Society etc. I am in the phone book if I can assist in anyway with your reseach
Regards Warren
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Warren
Conoly's Bush or whatever recording is now Connels point, Charles had a farm there and is buried at the Church of England St George/ Hurstville which also had many names.
Greville's Post Office Directory for 1872 has Mary listed as freeholder, Conolly's Bush, Gannon's Forrest (Hurstville)
Charles lived in the Waterloo Estate around Botany Road / Wyndham Street / Raglan Street and was a builder / stone mason. Indentures issued over the period of 1855 to 1862 for leases of properties to various others for up to periods of 99 years.
This is just some of my recorded detail, I differed from the Hurstville Historical Society research on Charles connection to Berkeley which I eliminated and followed up through Gloucester City Area.
John
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Hi reading this is so exciting - my great parents were Edwin Robert Wilkes and Emily Funston, my grandparents were Edwin Norman Wilkes (always known as Norman) and Enid - due to public nature of this site I won't write anymore family tree - my dad was born in Glebe - would love to know more of the family history - I always thought Pa (ERW) had horse trams in Glebe Dubs
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Hi
Yes you are right Edwin Robert Snr had a Bus company in the early 1900's from Glebe to the Tivoli . Edwin Robert Jnr was later the Bus Properitor and Charles Henry the Bus Manager, they operated then from Broughton street Glebe
Regards Warren
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thank you for that information - it is so amazing - my dad has memories but lacking on details - I have found that Charles lived at 29 Hereford Road Glebe and Edwin Jr lived at 27 Hereford Road Glebe - also Edwin Sr lived at 149 Lang Road Centennial Park - wonderful when you Google their houses now although Lang Road looks like Fox Studios now - so your dad and my grandad must have been cousins - great to connect thanks D x
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If you like you can get in touch I am in the phone book at Caringbah . Happy to speak to you and send what I have on the family.
Regards
Warren
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thanks I will get in contact and do you have any idea what the bus company was called
I was wondering if the Teddy Wilkes below was a relation - do you know thanks D.
http://thehistoryofmatt.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/patonga-nsw-history.html
No doubt the most affluent residence of all was that of the Wilkes family. It was established overlooking Patonga Creek and covered over one acre.” Teddy” Wilkes was the founder of E.F. Wilkes & Company which had a large showroom in Castlereagh Street Sydney, and dealt in the radio business. Radios were as scarce as hens’ teeth in that era, as very few people could afford them. They were a large part of household furniture and grew in popularity as did television in the 1960’s.
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No have not come across this line. Warren
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Very interesting, a post of long ago attracts interest. Guess it says something for the benefit of such a forum. I have had contact with Warren in the past and thank him for his information of previous. You both have valued info on Edwin and family. Of the Wilkes Migrants Charles and Mary, Sons Samuel Hickling, William and Edwin with Eleonor Piggin sister of Mary arrived Sydney 1854 onboard "Kate". Charles was born in Australia. My Great Grandfather was William and ran a coach service from Pymble to Milsons Point (culd have been Blues point) to connect with the ferry service to Sydney. This was discontinued as the rail service completed on the North Shore, Hornsby to the Harbour and then the Bridge. The family ended with Drays contracted to the council on road and construction projects in the Kuringai Municipality, also operating a stone quarry at Killara.
Just some insite to my bit of history
John (PM if more info)
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thanks John - you can blame me for re-igniting this page - I have done my mums side and thought I should research my dad's side
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A good deed and very interesting, I left my start too late and both parents and most aunts / uncles had passed. However it was a burning need to solve discrepancies in past information and the inheritance of some very interesting documents. A cousins research on one branch helped as something to attach new found detail. With good software and the internet its a pleasure.
The pain is not being able to share new info with my parents who I feel sure were happy with any rumour of the day, and of that era were happy to let be.
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I am fortunate that both my parents are still alive and mum has a great memory. I really wanted to find out about the Wilkes' since it was my maiden name and my 3 sons have it as a middle name. I knew we weren't convict stock, I knew it was England but didn't know what region. We had a rugby billet from Gloucestershire a couple of years ago and all the team ended up at our place for a party - I now wonder if we were related to any of them. Dad never knew there was a baby called Rose Australia Wilkes who obviously died as a baby - Emily his Ma (wife of Edwin Jr) was always fearful this may explain it. I found an article where my Grandfather Norman (Pop Pop) was fined 3 pounds for driving in a dangerous manner up Glebe Road doing 50 mph (sounds like he was car racing) - it was 1925 and he was 19 - I wonder what car he had - my Dad had never heard this story so it must've swept under the carpet - then my dad said Pop Pop won the 1st race at Maroubra Speedway - he was a champion ice skater at the Glacierium, raced trotting horses and owned the 1st motor auction in Sydney called Luxe Motors - I think he liked speed - he was a very wealthy man - all of this in a life cut short by a heart attack at 55 - so young. The internet is wonderful and I will keep searching. I would love to see any pictures - can you attach them here thanks D x
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Thanks for the reply. Rose Australia Wilkes was your Great Grandfathers sister. She was the youngest of the four (Charles Edwin Lilian and Rose) Rose married Aurthur Cheeseman and both are buried at Rookwood in the family grave along with the rest She inherited the house 149 Cook Road. Her sister lived nextdoor in 151,which Edwin Snr built for her. If you google 100 Lang Rd that was their first house in Centennial Park called Tufton Villa. Edwin and Charles had the terraces built in Hereford street at the front of the stables and yard there. I have a number of family wills that list all the properties.
You say we didn't come from convict stock ,they say its a bonus if you did, well your great great grandmothers side have convicts (Charles Heywood Transported 1820 Prince Regent) Regards Warren
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Hello JohnFW
This post goes back a long way, just happen to be looking at my branch of the Wilkes in Gloucester. Just visited Framilode, birthplace of my 3rd Greatgrandfather. Edmund the grandson of Charles Wilkes & Elizabeth Bradley Tewkesbury. Will have to research a bit more to try and fathom out all the connections mentioned here. Interesting.