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Title: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: peckham on Monday 24 April 06 18:04 BST (UK)
The two addresses are both from the same death certificate of an ancestor who died in Hawkhurst, Kent.


Address 1 reads:
“Twentieth October 1867 ???????? Cottage, Hawkhurst”

Address 2 reads:
“The Mark of Alice Bird Present at the death ????? ???? ?????? Hawkhurst”.

Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: bearkat on Monday 24 April 06 18:16 BST (UK)
I think the last one is "Four Throws"
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: SooCatt on Monday 24 April 06 18:17 BST (UK)
I thought the first one could be Furniss Cottage ???

Really difficult this one  :-\
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: Romilly on Monday 24 April 06 18:26 BST (UK)
Hi,

I would say that the first one is Feniss Cottage?

Romilly.
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: Lesanne on Monday 24 April 06 18:28 BST (UK)
How about Fenix Cottage and Fa*er Her son.  
              Agree on this being a difficult one.  Lesanne
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: avm228 on Monday 24 April 06 18:28 BST (UK)
The first one looks to me like Fenix Cottage, a mis-spelling of Phoenix.  The 1861 census shows that Alice Bird is living in London Road, Hawkhurst, and on the same page (also London Road) are three households enumerated as Phoenix Cottages.

I can't read Alice Bird's address on your certificate, but she appears in Hawkhurst in several of the censuses.

Anna
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: kerryb on Monday 24 April 06 18:30 BST (UK)
There is a hamlet very near Hawkhurst called Four Throws!

Kerry :)
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: bearkat on Monday 24 April 06 18:30 BST (UK)
The 1871 census looks like Fenen cottage
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: Lesanne on Monday 24 April 06 18:32 BST (UK)
Yes, the more I look Four Throws seems good...
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: Dave Francis on Monday 24 April 06 18:38 BST (UK)
In 1871, Alice is living at (what appears to be) "Fenen Cottages", Rye St.
A few doors away at "Four Throws" is the George & Dragon Inn!

Hope this helps
Dave

SNAP!
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: peckham on Monday 24 April 06 21:13 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the quick response and input. As a result . . . :

Address 1
I am leaning to Fenix because what I now consider to definitely be a dot over the lowercase “i” is as similar and as misplaced as the dot over the “i” in the word “Twentieth”. Also, Fenix makes for a phonetic spelling of Phoenix.

Address 2
Four Throws seems good . . . I can now see similarities between the “Th” of what could be “Th”rows and the “Th” in the wording “Th"e Mark of Aice Bird.

My thanks for your assistance.
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: JKirb on Tuesday 15 August 06 09:22 BST (UK)
Hi, I can confirm the existence of Fenex Cottages in Four Throws just outside Hawkhurst. It is a terrace of 4 weatherboarded cottages located on the Rye Road on the left hand side towards Sandhurst. I lived there for a while a few years ago. Regards.
 
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: peckham on Friday 08 December 06 05:30 GMT (UK)
Hello Jkirb

Many thanks for your input. Quite amazing to find someone who not only knows the place/structure but also has first hand experience of it.

I can now rewrite the that portion of my documentation to make it specific versus my current speculative interpretation.

If I may impose on you some more . . . Obviously the cottages have changed somewhat over the years, e.g., the interiors - electric/gas, modernised etc . . . but could you provide any details of how they might have been . . . slate roof . . . number of rooms . . . one level or two . . .

Not often one gets a chance to put actual detail (nd a mental picture) together.

Regards
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: pollycat76 on Thursday 24 March 11 22:50 GMT (UK)
I appreciate that your post was made a long while ago, but the lady Alice BIRD that you mention was my gt grandmother. Out of curiosity what was the name of your ancestor who died ?
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 27 March 11 09:34 BST (UK)

If I may impose on you some more . . . Obviously the cottages have changed somewhat over the years, e.g., the interiors - electric/gas, modernised etc . . . but could you provide any details of how they might have been . . . slate roof . . . number of rooms . . . one level or two . . .

Not often one gets a chance to put actual detail (nd a mental picture) together.

Regards

You can see a photo of one of the cottages and it's modernised interior on these estate agents details

http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=8324214
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: peckham on Sunday 27 March 11 19:15 BST (UK)
Thank you for posting the information. I have added the details to my ancestry documentation. One can only speculate on what my ancestor would now make of it all, but i says a lot that a structure erected in 1834 has continued to provide accommodation.
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 27 March 11 19:28 BST (UK)
Did you see pollycat's post?
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: peckham on Sunday 27 March 11 19:35 BST (UK)
Yes - I did see that posting and we have been in communication with each other.
Title: Re: Help Wanted in Deciphering Handwriting
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 27 March 11 19:46 BST (UK)
Great  ;D