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Title: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: abbey on Friday 21 April 06 12:44 BST (UK)

James BAXTER, b 1828 in Heaton, son of William and Mary married Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE  21/5/1849 in Bradford.  Elizabeth was born in BARNOLDSWICK.

Does anyone have any info on Elizabeth?

Thanks

Title: Re: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: winston on Saturday 22 April 06 12:49 BST (UK)

HI Abbey


Do you have the marriage cert then?

If so what name is shown for the father of Elizabeth Sutcliffe?


Wendy

Title: Re: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: abbey on Saturday 22 April 06 20:12 BST (UK)

Unfortunately there is no father listed for Elizabeth on the marriage certificate.  The witnesses to the marriage are William Holmes and Ephraim Smith and the marriage is at Bradford Parish Church.  James is listed as a shoemaker, son of William, a warehouseman but that is all the info I have.

Title: Re: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: winston on Saturday 22 April 06 21:54 BST (UK)

HI


Have nothing concrete on Elizabeth, but the strange thing is this in the 1851 census (as it was the nearest census to the marriage of you two people)


I found these two people note their occupation

Living respectivley at 44 & 45 Stott Hill, Bradford

Ephraim Smith bn abt 1826 Bradford Occ- Sexton of Parish Church employing one man

Mary Smith wife of above bn as above

Mary Smith Mother of Ephraim  Widow age about 55

Elizabeth Smith  Sister of Ephraim age about 28




And right next door to him

William Holmes age about 35 bn Howarth Occ Parish Clerk

Ellen his wife age about 34 in Bradford

James son of above 10 born Wilsden



Uncanny or what I bet these two were the witnesses more so in an official capacity.

Just to add in the 1841 census Ephraims father Joseph was also Parish Sexton....

Wendy

Title: Re: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: abbey on Saturday 22 April 06 22:09 BST (UK)

I think you're right about the 'official' witnesses.  Perhaps the parents didn't approve of the marriage?  Not quite sure where to try next for Elizabeth. Any thoughts?

Title: Re: James BAXTER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE, Bradford and Barnoldswick
Post by: winston on Saturday 22 April 06 22:39 BST (UK)

HI


There is in the 1841 census in the West End of Bradford two possibly sisters shown in the same house hold as the people listeed below their names


Elizabeth Sutcliffe bn abt 1828

Mary Sutcliffe bn at 1831


Samuel Smith bn 1797

Mary Smith bn 1801


All say yes to being bn in Cty


And remeber boundaries do change for Counties as teh decades past by


But that is the closest and would be a reason why no father name on marriage cert.


Wendy