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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: debbie b on Tuesday 18 April 06 20:01 BST (UK)
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Dear All,
I'm not sure if anyone can help with this, but you may be able to point me in the right direction.
I am looking for the burial places of William Dewhurst Hargreaves
and his family.
Mary HARGREAVES, Eliza HARGREAVES - his 2 wives.
James, William, Tereza (who married), Susannah, Albert Dewhurst Hargreaves,
Annie (who married William Beriah CRUMP), Edward and Anthony. (They were all his children).
on the 1901 census, William D Hargreaves was aged 80yrs living
at Hill farm, MOLD with His daughter Annie and her son Hargreaves CRUMP.
I have travelled to Mold today to try and locate their M.I's but found nothing at St. Mary's nor at the the Gas Lane Cemetery.
Does anyone know if the M.I's have been transcribed for any other churches/burial places or should I be looking somewhere else for them?
Many thansk for reading - Debbie
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Hello Debbie.
The only burial I could find in Mold is that of Anthony Hargreaves Jan 9 1856 11 Months old. Fron Yew.
William Dewhurst Hargreaves death is on North Wales BMD
Dec Q 1907 Holywell, age 86.
I did find the marriages of William Dewhurst Hargreaves and Mary Hughes, William Beriah Crump and Annie Hargreaves and the baptisms of five of William and Mary's Sons.
I can send them to you if you do not have them already.
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
THANK YOU so much for the look-ups... Yes please - I would love any
information you have on this lineage.
I think Anthony (11 mnths) is related to the line I'm looking
for as there weren't that many Hargreaves in that area at that time.
I also believe that Mary Hughes died (or they divorced ) as William
Dewhurst Hargreaves re-married a lady called Eliza (from Flint) and I'm trying
to piece together which child belonged to which mother.
Look forward to hearing from you - kind regards - debbie
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Hi Debbie, here they are.
Mold Marriage 14 Nov 1848.
William Dewhurst Hargreaves. Full Age. Occupation,GameKeeper. Abode, Havod? Father Anthony. Farmer.
Mary Hughes.Full Age. Abode Hendrebiffa. Father John. Butcher.
Witnesses. James Jones and Margaret Roberts.
Baptisms of the Children of W D & Mary Hargreaves.
Nov 25 1849. John Hughes Hargreaves. Abode Fron Yew. Fathers Occ, Game Keeper.
March 9 1851. Edward. Fron Yew. Farmer.
Jan 2 1853. James. """"" """
Feb 21 1855. Anthony. """" """ Buried. Jan 9 1856.
11 Months. Fron Yew.
May 19 1858. Anthony. Fron Yew. Farmer.
I couldn't see anymore Baptisms in Mold after that.
Just a thought, did Mary die and the rest of the children are Eliza's, baptised somewhere else?
Mold Marriage March 10 1896.
William Beriah Crump. 29. Clerk. 19, Sycamore Rd, Handsworth. Father, Henry. Gentleman.
Annie Hargreaves. 24. Hill Farm, Mold. Father W D . Farmer.
Witnesses. W D Hargreaves and Susannah Hargreaves.
Hope this helps.
Paul.
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Hello Debbie,
Have a look at William Dewhurst and Eliza on the 1881 census. I think John Ames, Farm Servant, age 61, born Bodfari is Eliza's Brother!
Paul.
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Hi Paul
Thank you so much for the information. At the moment I have 8 children
born to W.D Hargreaves.
W.D Hargreaves was the son of Anthony & Susannah (nee Dewhurst)
Hargreaves who remained in Yorkshire for most of their lives then moved to West Derby.
I believe (though have been unable to back this up with evidence) that
John Hughes Hargreaves (B abt 1850) and Edward Hargreaves (b abt 1851) are the sons of W.D and Mary Hughes and the other 6 are by his 2nd wife
Eliza (no maiden name for her as yet).
I have encountered "AMES" whilst searching and from memory is used as
a middle name for a grandchild of W.D Hargreaves so you could be right about him being related to Eliza. Peter Ames rings a bell too though I can't find any paperwork on him in my file!
My trip to Mold was to try and locate a grave which may yield a little
more evidence/information but family history isn't always that easy is it ?
I really appreciate your help and the trouble you've gone to for me.
Kind regards - Debbie
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On North Wales B M D is the birth of Peter Ames Hargreaves in Mold and on free B M D is the Death of Peter Ames Hargreaves in 1874 aged 5 years.
Paul.
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William Dewhurst Hargreaves married Eliza Ames. Holywell, Sep Q 1864.
That makes John 1849, Edward 1851, James 1853, Anthony 1855, Anthony 1858 and William 1861 children of Mary.
Teresa 1866, Susannah 1867, Peter 1869, Albert D, 1870 and Annie 1872. Eliza's children.
Caerwys baptism. Sep 27 1817. Alice D/O Peter & Terry?(nee Jones) Ames. Farmer Four crops, Bodfari.
Baptisms of the children of Peter & Theresa Ames. Farmer. Pentre Uchaf, Bodfari.
Jan 3 1820. JOHN
March 23 1822. Edward.
Aug 14 1824. Ann.
Oct 19 1830 Margaret ELIZA.
1841 census Pentre Uchaf, Bodfari.
Peter Ames. 57. Farmer.
Alice. 23.
Edward. 19.
Ann. 15.
Eliza. 11.
All born in the same County.
Paul.
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Oh wow Paul,
You're a star !!
Been off-line for a couple of days so apologies for delay.
That's brilliant work in finding them all for me...THANK YOU SO MUCH.
You've given me loads to work on now and I very much appreciate
the time you've spent on this.
Take care and a huge thank you - Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
My great-grandad, George Bain, was adopted by Elizabeth Ames (nee Jones, nee Williams), who was born in Bodfari, and her husband Joseph Ames who was born in Flint. Geroge lived with them in Flint from at least age 4 (1881) until he left to be a footballer in Lancashire at some point before 1901, when he is on the census in St. Helens, lodging with another family from Flint called Roberts.
This lady, Elizabeth Ames, lived until she was 85 (died in 1906) so I am hoping that the trail in Flint has not yet gone cold. I have her death certificate, and her death was reported by her grandson, Robert Jones of Halkin Road, Coleshill Fawr. She was 56 when she adopted my greatgrandad. I think that he was 'born out of wedlock' and adopted by Elizabeth Ames.
Do any of there names ring any bells? Please!
Lisa Hawkins.
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Hi Lisa,
- It's a fairly new line to me this one....I was trying to fill in blanks (or black holes !) on my "hargreaves" line and William Dewhurst Hargreaves was the one who went to Wales hence my search...
I've been totally sidetracked this last couple of weeks with a US puzzle that's kept me busy but I must admit that AMES isn't a name I've even begun yet - I'm sorry... I knew there was a connection and thanks to Paul, he gave me
loads of info to look into...
As soon as start piecing it together, I'll let you know what I have. At the moment all I have is the info on this post.
I've printed out your message and put it with the Hargreaves file so I'll let you know what I have asap.
Sorry I can't be of any more help at the moment.
Regards Debbie
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Debbie,
that's no problem, thanks for taking the time to reply.
No rush, take all the time you need to get a handle on the info you have.
I am also new to this, and learning fast that you can't assume that people on censuses are correctly listed...
Bye for now.
Lisa.
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Hi Debbie,
I know that this is a rather old post that I am replying to, but William Beriah Crump was my great great grandfather, so I may have info that is useful to you or vice versa. You also refer to Hargreaves Crump, who was my Grandfather. I had some difficulty finding him in the 1911 census until I discovered that his surname had been mis-transcribed as "Crwmya"!! Annie Crump had by that time re-married and was called Annie Roberts (my Grandfather also adopted the name Roberts).
I have been doing some tracing of my partner's family who came from Wednesbury and we are going to go and look through the records over there whilst she's off work over half term. William Beriah Crump and his family also came from that area so I'm going to see what I can find on them while we're there. Let me know if you're interested in the Crumps and I'll keep you posted if I find anything interesting.
Regards, Peter
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Edward Hargreaves aged 39 died at Black Brook, Mold on 5th October 1892.