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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Sharon O on Monday 17 April 06 00:19 BST (UK)
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My late mother-in-law lost her mother age42 and youngest brother aged18mths in a bombing of the above church in may blitz 1941, just wondering if anyone knows of a list of fatalities for this incident, or if the was a rememberence plaque to the dead and injured.If any newspapers reported this or was the so much going on at the time that it would not be considered newsworthy.
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Hi Sharon
Did you ever get any further information about the bombing of St.Bridget's?
I've just found out a relative of mine, Thomas Allen aged 20, was also a fatality in the church as well.
Your posting came up after I did a general internet search.
Thanks
Tony
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Hiya Tony and thanks for your interest, the only thing i learned about my relatives is that they are listed on war graves website as civilian war dead it gives you a little certificate to print out and gives their address and who they were belonging to ie; wife of.... and son of..... it may help you if you need addresses mine was in Victoria Square. Shame i never found this out whilst my mother in law was alive as she would of loved to had the certificate.
Have you found any newspaper reports or stuff like that?
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Hi Sharon
no I haven't found anything else out.
What's the web site with the listing of civilian war dead called?
Do you know if their names are on any monument antwhere in town?
Thanks for replying Sharon
Tony
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Hiya Tony the website is http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14
I have searched the site with the name given but only turned up one result and the name was John Joseph Allen of 35 Gardners Row age 12 died 3/5/1941 which was the same date as mine, and a few other Allen's but wrong date Nov 1940 however have a try i couldnt find mine at my first few attempts so try different spellings, Good Luck and keep me informed how you get on.
Sorry no memorial plaques that i know of, the is one on Vauxhall Rd but that is for Blackstock Gardens
Best Wishes
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
your reply made me question the information I had. I think the moral of the story is if other members of the family give you information, take the seed of the story but don't accept the full tree off them. (Does that sound right - I've had a terrible day at work and my head is frazzled :'( >:().
Anyway, not finding Thomas Allen aged 20 bombed in St.Bridgets, I went through 10 years of BMD to find a matching Allen birth with a mother Lennon. No Thomas but I did find John J. Allen b.Apr-Jun 1929 mother Lennon. So I wasn't entirely misinformed by the family member.
Sadly, the story I had is that there were no remains found to be buried - so I was surprised to see on the CWGC cert. that he died in Mill St. Hospital.
I'll keep looking for info. on this. I'd like to know what time of day it was, whether it was during mass or if there was a bomb shelter in the church and how many others died. Also where was mum and dad?
I'll keep you up to date with my findings Sharon. You've been a great help. :) Thanks again.
Tony
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Hiya Toe,
So the John Joseph was yours, I am glad if you know what i mean, Did'nt realise he was a Lennon from the Lennon posts on Liverpool and S.W.Lancs posts.
I was told they were there sheltering from the air raid, could'nt understand how mum was there with babe in arm's and where was the other 6 children because luckily they survived ?.
Headache myself and got a night shift ahead of me !!
Keep me posted please if you find out anything else.
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Whooa Sharon
don't go to work without answering this ...
are the six children you are talking about Allen children or your own family?
It would be bad enough me losing one relative and gaining another but to find another six!!!!
I've since had another theory that there was also a Thomas Allen there but if there were no remains they mightn't have registered him properly as being there.
Yes that's me and my Lennons from Liverpool and SW.
Thanks
Tony
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Not in work til 10
Tony dont panic they are my 6 not yours :) My mother-in-law was the eldest of 7 and her mother Elizabeth Lilley and youngest bro Frances Lilley both lost their lives here. I wonder how many lost their lives on this awful date.
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Re; Thomas Allen how did you gain this information in the first place? from a relative maybe they confused the two children.
I didnt know the baby,s name was Francis til i went on this site.my mother in law never spoke about it only to say she was orphaned and the family split up, her dad either re-married or lived with some one else, younger sisters placed in orphanages.
Surely if no remains were ever found he would be missing presumed killed and after 7 years a death cert would be issued, can you not obtain this, or cant you find any record of his death?
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Hi Sharon and Tony
You can get a full list of the 2677 civilian war dead in Liverpool from the CWGC site by selecting Cemetery rather than Casualty. If your search for “Liverpool”, on the second page is Liverpool County Borough cemetery where all the war dead were buried.
It is in surname sequence rather than date, but if you do go through them all you could cut and paste them into a spreadsheet and then sort by date of death.
Ken
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Hi Sharon
with the big Lennon family feud that took place in the late 1930s all the Lennon family seemed to have disintegrated. :( We're talking of seven known siblings of my dad's mum. I've been in contact with several long lost second cousins who's elderly parents seem to have very disjointed information and who sadly weren't aware of the existence of cousins, uncles and aunties until very recently.
Anyway , to move this on further, I'll check through the BMD index to see if I can find anything more on the Allen family.
Thanks again Sharon. Don't work too hard tonight. :)
Tony
Thanks for that additional info. Ken - I'll look into that too.