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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Sutherland => Topic started by: Donald NZ on Sunday 16 April 06 10:02 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information or connection to other’s researching the family of:
John McKay, born abt 1756, died after 6/6/1841. John was a Miller at Ashirimore?, OldshoreMore, Sutherland
Son John born abt 1775, married Merrun ?? born abt 1778, they were immediate neighbours to Johns father at Oldshoremore
Daughter Chirsty born abt 1790, married on 23 February 1816 to George Morrison born abt 1789 near Badcall. Their children all born at Oldshore More were Donald born abt. 1820; David b.1822; Alexr. (Landy) Born abt. 1824; John born abt. 1826; Peter born abt. 1830
Eldest son Donald Morrison married Janet Ross, May 1848.They settled in Achriesgill.
Donald NZ
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hi donald, do you require a look up of the scottish censuses for any of your family?
trying to help
Joe
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Hello Joe
Thank you for your “trying to help” - look ups of the Scottish censuses for any of your family.
I have three that I would like census information on. However I do not know what their census heading would come under. It would be great if you could come up with any information on any of them.
(1) 1851 Eddrachillis Census: George Mackay, unmarried, age in 1851 = 22years; a school teacher. His marriage document states he was born in West Strathan, Melness, Parish of Tongue, normally resident of Culkein, Stoer, Parish of Assynt, a teacher. Other hand-me-down notes state he was a teacher in Kinlochbervie. This George died in February 1959; so 1851 is the only window to locate where he was teaching. As he died of TB it is possible some of his pupils were also affected, from whom he may himself have become infected.
I have tried to identify where he may have been a teacher, but in every instance there has been no reply from the schools I have sought information from, not even a suggestion as to where to find this sort of information.
(2) 1841 Census - Alexander Morrison, born Durness Parish, age 86yrs and his wife Marion Macintosh, born Durness Parish age 81 years. their address being:- Cumlodden, by Inveraray."
Cumlodden Estate is recorded as Grid Reference NR 980990 in the County of Argyll. The grid location is about 45 miles in a straight line, Wst.Nth.Wst. from Glasgow. The general location is – access from “Sound of Bute” and almost half way up on the westward side of the Nth East leg of Loch Fyne. I have mentioned the foregoing as I do not know how Census references this area.
(3) 1851 Census - Bellochantuy, Argyllshire, Scotland
Duncan McMillan, about 3years old, born at Bellochantuy, Argyllshire, Scotland, about 1848.
The 1861 Census may possibly have him recorded as a 13yr old.
Duncan married abt 1870 to Elizabeth Michieson, who was born January 1851 at Whickham, Northumberland, England, so Duncan could be anywhere by 1871. They both emigrated to New Zealand.
Joe, if you even come up with one of the above it will be most appreciated
Sincerely
Donald
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hi donald, just one just now to start you off, will do more after.
1851 census: newlands, thurso, caithness
george mckay...lodger...age 19...teacher...born tongue
hugh mckay...lodger...age 26...pavt manur lab...born farr
william mckay...lodger...age 27...pavt manur lab...born farr
head of household
george macdonald...age 45...ag lab...born greenock
Joe
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1841 census: salachary, inveraray
Alexander...age 80...farmer
Mary...age 70
John...age 35
Ann...age 30
Alexander...age 15
Alexander...age 4
John...age 2
Dugald...age 1
all born Argyll
1851 census: salachry, inveraray
John...head...age 49...farmer
Nancy...wife...age 46...born kilmartin
Janet Munro...mother-in-law...age 77...born kilmartin
Alexander...son...age 14
John...son...age 12
Dugald...son...age 10
Jessy...dau...age 8
Mary...dau...age 6
Duncan...son...age 2
all born inveraray unless stated otherwise.
1861 census: sallachary, inveraray
John...head...age 58...farmer/100 acres
Nancy...wife...age 50...born kilmartin
Janet Munro...mother-in-law...born kilmichael
John...son...age 22...ploughman
Dugald...son...age 20...tailor
Janet...dau...age 18...domestic servant
Duncan...son...age 12
all born inveraray unless stated otherwise
your duncan mc millan is there but which one is he? can you give me his parents name please?
Joe
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Hello Joe
Thank you for the 1851 census on George Mackay. If this is the George Mackay I am looking for, I would not have considered Caithness as a starting option, particularly when the October 1956 marriage document stated, “normally resident of Culkein, Stoer, Parish of Assynt, age 25, a teacher, married Barbara Morrison”.
This 1851 census was the only census window to find any information on him as he had died before 1861. To date I have had no success with teaching records so now that you have provided me with Caithness as another option I will now add the area to my research.
Thank you for the info Joe, most appreciated.
Donald
My apologies to my slow acknowledgement to your most appreciated census postings. I am slowly getting back to normal computer work following the loss of a hard drive. Although most items were backed up it has taken considerable time to reset. Once again Joe I thank you very much for having done the census lookup for me.
Donald
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Hello Joe
I am a little dubious that this is the Alexander Morrison I am searching for
Salachary, Inveraray is approximately three miles north of Inveraray, while Cumlodden is about seven miles south of Inveraray
On 27 Dec. 1844 Alexanders address was “Cumlodden, by Inveraray."
In 1941 Alexander should have been around age 86years and his wife Marion about 81years
Their family in 1841 consisted of Grizel age 55yrs, Hugh age 53yrs, & John age 47yrs I do not know where thy were living.
There were three married sons living in Melness, Donald and two George’s.
I do not know whether wife Marion was alive in 1841.
Re Duncan McMillan. I have no further information on Duncan and was hopeful a 1851 or 1861 census might throw some background on him. I was hopeful there would be only one 3yr old Duncan McMillan in the 1851 Census & a 13yrs old in the 1861 census at Bellochantuy, Argyllshire,
Joe were there many Duncan McMillan children at Bellochantuy in 1851 & 1861 ??.
Thanks again for your lookups
Donald
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Hi Donald,
I'm not sure if this article is relevant to your search but have a look anyway
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bratach/september%202001/sept%2001%20Harris%20fishermen.html
Regards
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Hello Andy,
Thank you for the info. Although none of those persons in the article are directly related in my research, they do assist in putting together other time frames, plus I will on-send the schoolteacher items to a person who has done a considerable amount of research in; education, schools and relevant teachers in Sutherland.
Thanks again
Donald NZ
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Hello Donald
I found your post from some time ago about John Mackay, miller at Oldshoremore. There is still the ruin of the mill at Oldshoremore and one of the grinding stones has been preserved. I should imagine the structure is later than the early eighteenth century but it is most likely on the same site. also there is a rental from the estate that probably mentions the mill - would you like me to look it up for you when I'm there and maybe take a photo of the mill.
best wishes
Fiona
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Hello Fiona
Thank you for your informative post.
I did see some internet information at website
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&id=129432
The website also had four photos from John R Hume’s photo collection.
I would appreciate any added information you can provide.
Something that I have not confirmed although seemingly water driven is the method of power to apply to the grinding wheels.
Do you happen to have any further info on family members of John Mackay?
Kind regards
Donald
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Donald are you aware of the site www.countysutherland.co.uk where lots of people are doing research and most are the descendants of people from Sutherland. John McKay, Miller of Oldshoremore is one that a lot of people on the site know about. What is your relation to him?
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Hello mariong, thank you for your County Sutherland advice.
Yes I was aware of the excellent website; however I have done very little over recent years on my Scottish ancestry, mainly due to working on another family tree section. I note it is over two years since I was last on line with Roots Chat.
As I only returned home a few hours ago from having been in Sutherland, I found it most interesting that after my long absence from Sutherland research, advice of your today’s posting in my first download of emails.
I visited the mill ruins a little over a week ago and took several update photos of the ruins. If anyone wishes other update photos of the mill ruins let me know and I will email them.
Re John Mackay; you ask “What is your relation to him?” – he is my 3x Gt. Grandfather, born about Abt. 1756
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Donald: this John MacKay's grandson, David Mackay, married my 2x great grand aunt Barbara MacKay (B: 1823).
Beth
Canada
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Donald, Beth is my cousin (removed several times!) on my Fraser side from Kinlochbervie and I am also a Morrison through my grandmother from Oldshoremore. On countysutherland you will find many more connections to this area.
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Hello Beth: Your mention “this John MacKay's grandson, David Mackay”.
Are the parents of your "David Mackay", John and Merrun?
What is interesting is that I found no reference to son John Mackay as a miller (although there could be a reference in a marriage of birth record that I have not yet located) However over the pre 1841 census periods there are reference to Morrison “millers” a Donald Morrison in Oldshoremore and three Morrisons in Oldshorebeg.
John Mackay snr. lived in the mill house above the mill. Son in law George Morrison took over the mill house after John Mackay died.
Donald NZ
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John Mackay’s daughter’s eldest son, Donald Morrison married and lived in Achriesgill where there was for a short period a horizontal mill. Donald was recorded in the 1851 census as “Crofter & Miller” and in the 1861 census as “Miller” and by the 1871 census as a Crofter and Fisherman, so seemingly he was involved in the development and running of the Achriesgill mill and it may have stopped its operations in the 1861 -1871 period.
As yet I have not done a search around the general Achriesgill region over this period to look for other persons who recorded their occupation as miller.
Such an exercise would give an indication of over what period of time the Achriesgill mill operated.
I have not been able to find much information about this mill on the internet. If someone with ready access to census records over this period could locate the time frame of when miller occupations were recorded, it would give a general timeframe of when both Oldshoremore and Achriesgill mills were in operation. The information would also be informative to historians.
Donald NZ
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Donald NZ:
My tree shows:
Johan MacKay (about 1756 - ?) married Merrson unknown (about 1778 - ?)
daughter: Christina MacKay (about 1790 to about 1860) married George Morrison (1790-March 1877) listed in 1851 as a miller
they had 5 children,
one of whom was David Morrison (1821 - Dec 1892), joiner & miller, who married my great grand aunt, Barbara Mackay (1823 - June 1902)
They had 7 kids. None of their children as listed as "millers". Most of the boys become joiners/carpenters.
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Hello Beth
Can I suggest you recheck on your identifying family research.
Your Johan Mackay is likely to be John and that his son, also a John married Merrson/ Merrun (the spelling needs further confirmation).
I think you will find John who married Merrson/ Merrun is a brother to Christina.
Donald NZ
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I will double check. Thanks. Sometimes these Morrisons & MacKays (of which there were many with the same name) get quite confusing!
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Yes, it is John married to Merron (fingers don't follow brain sometimes)