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British Home Children
An excellent web page and searchable database
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~britishhomechildren
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I went to the site and found two children that were missing from research:
Alfred (Henry) Dainton (born 16 Dec. 1877)
George Thomas Dainton (born 1882)
The other members of family are not listed - does this mean they were not sent to Canada?
Missing from same family:
Charles William Dainton born 1 Nov 1879
Edward Dainton born 1886
Ellen Dainton born 1888
All were the children of Hannah Rachel (nee Hardick) & Alfred Henry "Harry" Dainton.
Harry murdered his wife on 8 September 1891 & Harry was executed in Decembe 1891 for the crime. Children were sent to orphanage in Bath, Somerset.
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I went to the site and found two children that were missing from research:
Alfred (Henry) Dainton (born 16 Dec. 1877)
George Thomas Dainton (born 1882)
The other members of family are not listed - does this mean they were not sent to Canada?
Missing from same family:
Charles William Dainton born 1 Nov 1879
Edward Dainton born 1886
Ellen Dainton born 1888
All were the children of Hannah Rachel (nee Hardick) & Alfred Henry "Harry" Dainton.
Harry murdered his wife on 8 September 1891 & Harry was executed in Decembe 1891 for the crime. Children were sent to orphanage in Bath, Somerset.
Mmm, It is possible that a family member took these three children. It looks like the eldest and a younger one, perhaps they were poorly and stayed with a family member, sich as aunt or grandmother.
Presuambly, you have managed to look through newspapers for the writeup regarding the crime and punishment. Does this list any details of family? Have you looked for the three missing children on the 1901 Census index?
There is also a British Home Children database, which is searchable online on the web page of the Canadian Archives, I don't have the URL to hand, but a search of that would be helpful, as, and this is from memory, the database on Perry Snow page which you looked at is of those who are recorded by relatives. Have you submitted yours?
Here is the URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020110_e.html
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The three missing children are not in the 1901 Census. The children were sent to Dr Barnardos and Mullers.
Could they have been split up - one group to Canada & the other to Australia?
The other family members were also poor and living in single rooms. Harry's family were living in Bradford-on-Avon and seem to have turned their back on him.
Harry drowned his wife in the River Avon after a struggle. It is interesting to note that his father-in-law spoke up for him at his trial.
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The three missing children are not in the 1901 Census. The children were sent to Dr Barnardos and Mullers.
Could they have been split up - one group to Canada & the other to Australia?
The other family members were also poor and living in single rooms. Harry's family were living in Bradford-on-Avon and seem to have turned their back on him.
Harry drowned his wife in the River Avon after a struggle. It is interesting to note that his father-in-law spoke up for him at his trial.
Hi, Yes I guess that it is possible that the family was split up. I am not too sure of the date that migration of children commenced to Australia. Given the extra information you have given it is likely that all the children were sent overseas.
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Found this on Google:
George Thomas Dainton
At Dr. Barnardo’s Home in Canada (1896 – 1902)
UPS & DOWNS with Almanac for 1902, Vol. VII, JANUARY 1, 1902, No. 2
OUR TWENTIETH YEAR’S EMIGRATION WORK
Published Under the Auspices of Dr. Barnardo’s Homes
Published quarterly 25 Cents per Annum
Office of Publication: 214 Farley Ave., Toronto
HOME CHAT (pg 43 - 57)
Dainton, George Thomas, Medal for 6 yrs service in 1situation brothers are at the Soo
See also - Alfred Dainton arrived in Canada July 1894
Wallacetown, Elgin County, Ontario, Canada, Dr. Barnardo’s Homes, 1895 – 1923 records
The above is just as you see it - note form with no further details. Are any of these records on-line anywhere?
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Found this on Google:
George Thomas Dainton
At Dr. Barnardo’s Home in Canada (1896 – 1902)
UPS & DOWNS with Almanac for 1902, Vol. VII, JANUARY 1, 1902, No. 2
OUR TWENTIETH YEAR’S EMIGRATION WORK
Published Under the Auspices of Dr. Barnardo’s Homes
Published quarterly 25 Cents per Annum
Office of Publication: 214 Farley Ave., Toronto
HOME CHAT (pg 43 - 57)
Dainton, George Thomas, Medal for 6 yrs service in 1situation brothers are at the Soo
See also - Alfred Dainton arrived in Canada July 1894
Wallacetown, Elgin County, Ontario, Canada, Dr. Barnardo’s Homes, 1895 – 1923 records
The above is just as you see it - note form with no further details. Are any of these records on-line anywhere?
I am not sure, but the british home children mailing list on Rootsweb does have some of the ups and downs details in their archives. You can join via a subscribe box on the following URL
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~britishhomechildren
It maybe worth looking at the Ontario archives online, I don't have the URL, but a quick Google should find it. You may well find any BMDs online. You could also write or email Dr Barnardos and see if they have an archive of Ups and Down.
Presumably, your relatives married and produced offspring and therefore the following maybe of use
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~births/index.htm (mainly births transcribed)
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/ontmarr.htm (marriages)
http://www.archives.ca/02/020106_e.html (First World War)
I recommend this one as, it looks like one of your relatives did indeed join up for the First World War and his digitial Attestation papers are online.
Whilst, I appreciate that you want to know more about their time and lives as home children, these other URLs might help peices together other bits of their lives.
I have just found the following
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click home children. There is an enormous amount of information and a list of where the Ups and Downs are on microfilm. It appears as though the University of Liverpool Library.
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About the availability of Ups and Downs, published by Dr Barnardos Homes in Toronto (1895-1949); at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/availupdown.html
there is a list of locations where one may consult certain issues of the publication, either in the original paper form or on microfilm. Since this list was made two more sources have been found: at the National Archives in Ottawa, and at the Alberta Archives. Both of these institutions have microfilm copies of the following issues, on 8 reels:
v. 1-2; 1895-1897 (Reel #1)
v. 5-7, no. 1; 1899-1901 (Reel#2)
v. 7, No. 2--v. 9; 1902-1903 (Reel #3)
v. 10-11, 21-23; 1904-1906, 1919-1921 (Reel #4)
v. 24-28; 1922-26 (Reel #5)
v. 29-33, no. 2; 1927-31 (Reel #6)
v. 33, no. 3- v. 35; 1931-33 (Reel #7)
v. 36-44, 46-50; 1934-42, 1944-49 (Reel #8).
ML-283/OOA is the call number at the National Archives; at Provincial Archives of Alberta the accession number is 75.436. A little more of these 8 reels may be learned by looking at a maillist posting at
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/B/BRITISHHOMECHILDREN+2004+6711359971+F
Brian2.
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Whitehorse:
From this site, which has already been suggested: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/index.html
"The following boys came to Canada during the summer and autumn of 1893:
Name of Boy: Edward Dainton
Name of Employer: Mr. William Gosenell
Address: Essex"
On the 1901 Canadian Census for Ontario, there is this entry:
"Edward Daton, Lodger , b22 Feb/1886, age 15, living with Mr. William Gosnell and family, Essex (South/Sud) National Archives Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6467."
Here's the link to the census:
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html
Hope it will be of some help. meg
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thank you so much for posting this link how i do wish this could of been availabel befor my mother died she tried every way to try to finde her brother that was sent to Canada at the age of 16 in 1929 my mother was then 10 years old she never saw her brother again and to my knowledge only went to see his mother once during the war in 1934 he was never heard of again
audrey
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I can hardly wait to try some of the sites mentioned re births/marriages of the Home Children.
My grandparents were sent to Canada (Ontario) g.mother from a childrens home & g.father from the workhouse.
It has taken me a very long time to obtain information, but still more to find yet, so will hopefully? get a lead now!?
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Sadly using the sites mentioned, I was unable to obtain any further information to add to that I already had, so alas, its back to the drawing board!
I`m still trying to find information re my gt aunt, Grace Gartland (nee Gagan or Geoghan) she married Augustus Gartland in 1894 in Ontario, my last infor on her was via the 1901 Ontario census, & then tht of twin sons Jerome & Jerrold born to her in 1903, then a brick wall ???
I just do not know where to try next
Any ideas??
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"The other members of family are not listed - does this mean they were not sent to Canada?
Missing from same family:
Charles William Dainton born 1 Nov 1879
Edward Dainton born 1886
Ellen Dainton born 1888"
Found the following on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/index.html
Our Old Friends' Directory February 1896
DAINTON Charles W, Harwich, Kent, March 1893
and on
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/north02.htm
Northern District Marriages 1902 has a C W and Ellen Dainton as witnesses to the marriage of a John Miller and Catherine Ritchberg
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Hi,
From the Canadian Archives page:
DAINTON , C
Age: 13
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1893
Microfilm reel: C-4515
Ship: SS Labrador
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 16 Mar 1893
Port of arrival: Halifax
Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1893
Party: Dr Bernardo's
Comments: Intermingled with H93BC, but via US Portland
Note: The child's surname was illegible or difficult to decipher.
India.
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The gateway to the BHC site at the Canadian Archives in Ottawa can be reached at:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020110_e.html
That provides you with a number of links to source data that is stored on microfilm in the archives, much of which can be borrowed through your local library facilities.
I don't know about the Bernardo children, but the records of those children who went through the Middlemore homes to Canada and Aus are held on a number of microfilm reels in the National Archives. As I live near Ottawa, it was relatively easy for me to find the records for my wife's mother and her siblings who came to Canada via the Middlemore route.
The reels contain all the data about the children and their circumstances in both the UK and in Canada / Aus, which were pertinent to their being taken into custody and were relevant to their foster homes in "the Colonies". :)
I believe that you can access a full listing of the various Reels and their contents from the URL provided above. Once you have found the Reel(s) on which info about your rellies is / are most likely to be found, you can ask your local library to borrow a copy for you to peruse, I think; as one of my wife's rellies in Cornwall went that route to obtain the data concerning her mother.
I hope this helps.
Robert in Kanata
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To all who have ancestors sent to Barnardos.
You can request Barnardos to send the records of your family member that was processed through Barnardos.
The Barnardo Inst. still exists and has retained their records.
Ted
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:) :) :)
If anyone has Ancestors who were sent to Canada from Cheshire, the following link maybe of interest
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,81351.0.html
:) :) :)
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I am just sticking this comment in here in case someone finds it useful in the future and find it while googling.
There is an organisation in Nottingham, UK called the Child Migration Trust that exists to help the migrated child find any existing members of their own family back home in Britain.
It was set up by Margaret Humphreys who has written a wonderful book called Empty Cradles about her work.
As you will all know, some children and their parents were told that their relatives had died when it was not the case, so Margaret's work has been particularly important.
There was a very good TV play here in England which has since been repeated and which I very much admired, The Leaving of Liverpool which is a fictionalised account of the experiences of some of these children.
I can recommend the book and the play.
Regards
Louise
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Hi
This year i tried to trace family members on my dads side who went to Canada.I found a second cousin and family .
I also learned that my dads aunt and uncle had been sent there with Barnardos.The uncle had stayed in Canada and married,the aunt came back to England.I didnt know any information about family members going into Dr Barnardos homes.
I recieved from my cousin in Canada the information Barnardos had sent to him on request about his grandfather.I got intouch with Barnardos concerning my great aunt,they did a check for me,i had to pay a small fee,they then sent me her information of her stay in homes in England and in Canada.I hope this helps someone.
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Marj Kohl has done extensive work on Home Children - and she has many resources online at her website at http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/index.html
Hopefully everyone has gone to the LAC (Library & Archives Canada) searchable database where they have begun extracting names of Home CHildren from passenger lists. It is not complete but there are many children listed there http://www.archives.ca/02/020110_e.html
As an example I did a quick search there and think I've found your Charles William Dainton born 1 Nov 1879
DAINTON , C
Age: 13
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1893
Microfilm reel: C-4515
Ship: SS Labrador
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 16 Mar 1893
Port of arrival: Halifax
Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1893
Party: Dr Bernardo's
Comments: Intermingled with H93BC, but via US Portland
Note: The child's surname was illegible or difficult to decipher.
You can order the film yourself to see if there are any siblings on the passenger list with him, and you can send to Bernardos for more detail.
Good luck!
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Here's another one of the DAINTON children, on the same ship (SS LABRADOR) as Charles.
DAN_TAN , E
Age: __
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1893
Microfilm reel: C-4539
Ship: SS Labrador
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 10 Aug 1893
Port of arrival: Quebec
Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1893
Party: Dr Barnardo's
Destination: Toronto, Ontario
Comments: 166 Dr Barnardo's boys for Toronto
Note: The child's surname was illegible or difficult to decipher.
The child's age was illegible, difficult to decipher or not given
I used the wildcard feature when searching the database at LAC. Otherwise this child would not have shown up. I guess it's Edward, given it is a group of boys. Can't be Ellen, Edward is the only one left.
Good luck!
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research resource page for Home Children Resources & info
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355348.0.html
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Hi there. i'm really new at this whole thing so please bear with me. I'm looking for info of Barnardo children( my grandfather) i have tried most of the sites that are posted and can not come up with anything. i need help.
my granfather's name was william john white and he was born june 2 1912 or 1913. he was born in london england. he was sent to barnardo house(the boys garden in essex0 in march of 1924, then in sept 1924 he was sent to canada on the ss metila. i have found the ship but it is not listed as a barnardo ship. and his name is not on any lists that i have found. i'm also trying to find out what happened to his three older brothers and one younger brother. none of them were sent to barnardo house. that i know of. we have got some info from barnardo house, which is great but i would really like to know what happened to the rest of the family.
his father was Charles white, who died dec22 1913 he died of heart failure he was a boiler maker
mother was mabel ellae payne, diedaug 2 1917 in child birth
Charles remarried a nora? in 1920 and then she died of cancer on dec 22 1922
his brother's were Charles white born 1889?rivet heater
ernest reginald white born 1892? he was in the navy when his father died.
sidney archibald white born 1897? driller's mate
edward alfred white born 1917 do not know were he went.
Granddad had living relatives- his father's parents Charles white (75)
ellen white (71)
and a uncle (mother's brother) Charles Payne (50) milkman
this was the ages went granddad went into barnardo house in 1924
if anyone could help me find anything about this family please contact me.
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I went to the site and found two children that were missing from research:
Alfred (Henry) Dainton (born 16 Dec. 1877)
George Thomas Dainton (born 1882)
The other members of family are not listed - does this mean they were not sent to Canada?
Missing from same family:
Charles William Dainton born 1 Nov 1879
Edward Dainton born 1886
Ellen Dainton born 1888
All were the children of Hannah Rachel (nee Hardick) & Alfred Henry "Harry" Dainton.
Harry murdered his wife on 8 September 1891 & Harry was executed in Decembe 1891 for the crime. Children were sent to orphanage in Bath, Somerset.
I am looking for a child who I suspect was an orphan and born in Bath. Now I am intrigued to know where the orphanage was.
I am looking for Edwin George Truman (born 1895) , so he has no connection with this family.
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Like Robertb99 I really do recommend the Ottawa Archive. I was looking for my mother's younger brother who, somewhat unusually, had been placed in Fsther Hudson's Homes at his own request because he wanted to go to Canada. Ottawa Archive supplied me with masses of information, including the fact that his unusual situation meant that my grandmother had to pay five shillings (25p) a week while he was in the home and for the first year after he reached Canada in 1924, aged 14. They also supplied me with complete written records.
Because I now knew where he had been placed I took a chance and telephoned the first person I found in that town's phone directory with the same surname and found myself talking to my uncle's grandson. I have since managed to get out there, where I was given a great reception by numerous cousins and their families.
Without the help of the Ottawa Archive I guess I would still be searching.
Keith
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For those searching reply 21 has been modified to correct url for Home children resources....
Edwin George Truman was not a home child http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=534670.msg3888226;topicseen
some children's schools/homes etc. in Bath
Industrial School for Girls a.k.a Bath Certified Industrial School for Girls
Limpley Stoke Girls' Reformatory
Prior Park Industrial School
Working Boys' Home, Bath