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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: The Engineer on Wednesday 12 April 06 23:34 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where I can access records concerning Berrington Workhouse inmates? I have found that my grandmother was born there as Ethel Mary Hanlon on 3rd March 1904.
Her mother was Sarah Ann Hanlon (nee Reynolds) and her father Albert Ashley Hanlon. I am trying to see if both mother and father were at the workhouse, if the second daughter (Gladys Norah) was also born there in 1906. Also to find out more about Albert, as he is a mystery man! He either died or otherwise went away as my great-gran subsequently remarried.
Any leads or links greatly appreciated!
Cheers!
Garry
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Try this previous thread about 'Berrington' workhouse
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=4f234b1ccfabba2e97618fb7107066bf&topic=50573.msg200811
Marriages Jun 1903
Ashley-Hanlon Albert Newcastle T 10b 146
Ashly-Hanlon Albert Newcastle T 10b 146
HANLON Albert Ashley Newcastle T. 10b 146
Reynolds Sarah Ann Newcastle T. 10b 146
Obviously not quite sure of the surname so if you haven't obtained a copy of the marriage certificate it may be well worth getting it to help place Albert.
Did you know there was this birth?
Births Sep 1901
HANLON Roderick Ashley Forden 11b 158
Atcham which is where Berrington workhouse actually was is in Forden registration district.
Regards
Valda
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Atcham which is where Berrington workhouse actually was is in Forden registration district.
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Valda - can I ask where you found this?!!!! I only ask because I always thought that Atcham was a registration district in itself.
"Acton Burnell, Alberbury Lower Quarter, Albrighton, Astley, Atcham, Battlefield, Berrington, Bicton, Buildwas (from 1895), Cardeston, Church Preen, Church Pulverbatch, Condover, Cound, Cressage, Eaton Constantine, Fitz, Ford, Frodesley, Great Hanwood, Habberley, Harley, Haughton Demesne, Hughley, Kenley, Leighton, Melverley, Meole Brace (from 1871), Minsterley, Montford, Pitchford, Pontesbury, Preston Gubbals, Ruckley and Langley, Sheinton, Shrawardine, Shrewsbury (from 1871), Stapleton, Sutton, Uffington, Uppington, Upton Magna, Westbury, Withington, Wollaston, Wroxeter." plus the parish of Criggion from Montgomeryshire.
Jan
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Hi Garry
I am hoping to go to the Shropshire Archives soon and will have a look to see what I can find for your Hanlon family http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cj/
Please bear with me though! I have a huge list of look ups to do which are going to take me quite some time!!!!
Jan
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When you click further information in FreeBMD for Forden up comes
REGISTRATION DISTRICTS IN MONTGOMERYSHIRE
The list below shows the civil registration districts in the county of Montgomery (Montgomeryshire) between 1st July 1837 and 31st March 1930. The same districts were used to compile the censuses returns for the years 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901. Click on a district name to see the places and dates covered.
Atcham
Clun
Dolgelly
Forden
Llanfyllin
Machynlleth
Montgomery
Newtown
So what I should have said is
'Atcham registration district which is where Berrington workhouse actually is, is in an adjacent registration district to Forden district.'
Slip of the typing at 1 in the morning. I was obviously more weary than I thought.
FORDEN REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Montgomeryshire.
Created : 1.7.1870 (previously Montgomery district).
Sub-districts : Chirbury; Montgomery; Welshpool.
GRO volumes : 11b (1870-1930).
Parishes in Montgomeryshire (1870-1930):
Aston, Berriew, Castle Caereinion, Castlewright, Churchstoke, Cletterwood, Cyfronydd, Forden, Hope, Leighton, Llandysil, Llanmerewig, Middletown, Montgomery, Rhosgoch, Trelystan, Trewern, Uppington, Welshpool (Pool).
Parishes in Shropshire (1837-1930):
Brompton and Rhiston, Chirbury, Worthen.
Garry
Have you found Sarah on the 1901 census?
Regards
Valda
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These are the Hanlon Forden birth registrations
Births Sep 1901
HANLON Roderick Ashley Forden 11b 158
Births Sep 1903
Hanlon Gladys May Forden 11b 161
Births Mar 1905
Hanlon John Albert D Forden 11b 152
These the Atcham birth registrations
Births Mar 1904
HANLON Ethel Mary Atcham 6a 629
Births Dec 1906
Hanlon Gladys Norah R Atcham 6a 637
Regards
Valda
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Slip of the typing at 1 in the morning. I was obviously more weary than I thought
:) :)
Thanks for the clarification Valda.
Jan
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Hello there, Valda and Jan!!
sorry I have been unable to reply to these excellent replies before now, but I have been at work. Still, having gotten home and looked at your replies they do help a little for me. I'll try and reply to all your points and questions as they were raised:
1. I do have a copy of the marriage certificate for Albert Ashley HANLON and Sarah Ann Reynolds at the Parish Church of St Augustine, Newcastle upon Tyne, on 4th May 1903. Albert is aged 24, and a photographer. His father is shown as John Ashely HANLON, photographer (deceased). Sarah's father's details do tally with her birth on 20th June 1878 to Thomas Reynolds and Mary Meyrick at Mainstone, Bishop's Castle.
2. Albert's name on the marriage certificate does look as though it is hyphenated, hence the multiple entries in the register showing possible variants.
3. In the 1881 census there are only two Albert Hanlon's. One is born 1860 in Stafford, and is in Hospital there. The other is born 1880 in London, the son of a waiter.
4. In the 1901 census there are two Albert Hanlon's again - the same one in London, aged 20 and a fitter's mate. The other this time is aged 24, born in Kirkdale, Liverpool, and is a "commission agent". He is staying at his father-in-law's house (Mr ASHLEY - most interestingly!!) at Berriew in Montgomeryshire.
5. In BMD's, there is an Albert Warburton Hanlon shown born at West Derby, Liverpool, in Dec quarter of 1880, volume 8b page 401. The only death I can find in this time-frame is Albert Richard Hanlon, aged 48, death registered at Salford, Vol 8d, page 11, March quarter 1907.
6. The births you show for Ethel and Norah at Atcham are indeed my gran and her sister. Those at Forden I have not been able to link back to my gran's father Albert Hanlon.
7. I have a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate which shows her being born 3rd March 1904, workhouse Berrington R.W. Father Albert Hanlon, photographer. Mother Sarah Hanlon, shown resident at workhouse Berrington.
8. Sarah Ann Hanlon later married Pryce Roberts about 1910, and had a daughter Ivy Roberts born about 1912. I haven't succeeded in finding these events yet!
Concerning Sarah, I have not been able to find her on the 1901 census. Sarah has a brother John G Reynolds, who in 1901 was living in Liverpool, having married a girl (Margaret E Daley) in 1890, who was born in Newcastle! I have a pet theory that Sarah may have moved to Liverpool to work, perhaps staying with John and Margaret initially, but perhaps then getting a job in Newcastle through her sister-in-law's family?? Incidentally, both Albert (Ashley) Hanlon and Sarah Ann Reynolds are shown as living at 133 Wingrove Avenue on their marriage certificate.
That's all the information I can offer! I am unable to find Albert Hanlon or his father on any census return, I have tried searching BMD's for births but to no avail either. So this is why I want to find out more about this pair!!
Concerning the Berrington workhouse records, I'm trying to find out if Albert was also resident there, and what dates the family were there between. Also any hint of what happened to Albert Hanlon.
One theory I have is that Albert Hanlon may be the same one as is married to the ASHLEY lass at Berriew in 1901? Did he perhaps desert her and commit bigamy??
Jan, I'd really appreciate it if you can spare time to look at the Berrington workhouse records in Shrewsbury for me. I have been meaning to make a visit myself, I have yet to do so because of poor health recently. But I wasn't sure if the records were held there or not!!
And thank you again Valda for the assistance!
Best Wishes,
Garry Brookes - Preston, Lancashire (UK)
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I can't see any marriage for the Albert 'married' to Mary nee Ashley in Berriew in 1901. Berriew is in the registration district of Forden.
So presumably this Albert Hanlon and Mary are the parents of
HANLON Roderick Ashley
born later that same year. (The only time Hanlon and Ashley appear in FreeBMD together apart from the Albert Ashley-Hanlon marriage).
Have you explored these other Hanlon's births registered in Forden to see if they hold similar information to that on your grandmother's birth certificate? If they do it is unlikely Albert was also in the workhouse.
Regards
Valda
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Jan, I'd really appreciate it if you can spare time to look at the Berrington workhouse records in Shrewsbury for me. I have been meaning to make a visit myself, I have yet to do so because of poor health recently. But I wasn't sure if the records were held there or not!!
No need for you to go there Gary as I went there today.
Berrington Workhouse records are available to view as "originals" so I have had to get a Reader's Ticket which allows me into the Reader's Room to view "restricted material". However, and unfortunately, I didn't have enough time at the end of my day to look through them.
Now I know they are available I will check them out for you when I next go to the Archives, which all being well should be next Thursday.
Jan
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Hi Jan,
thank you for thinking of me! I am sure you must have loads of research to do for yourself, so I really do appreciate you taking time out to do this for me. I look foward to some news later next week!!
Cheers,
Garry
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Your welcome Garry!
I am really looking forward to get back to the Archives and going through the original documents.........how wonderful!!
Jan
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I have read with interest many of the replies regarding Berrington Workhouse. My gandmother was in the workhouse. Which one I'm not sure. On September 30th 1902 she left her work as a school teacher,in Llanfechain School and probably went to the work house with her nephews and nieces, at that time or shortly afterwards. Her name was Sophia Dudley [ Davies] the childrens names were Beatrice Dudley Davies b. 29/6/1887.Olive Nesta Dudley Davies b. 19/8/1890. Archiebold Dudley Davies b. late 1893. Millicent Dudley Davies b. 25/10/1894. Whilst at the work house Sophia Dudley [ Davies ] gave birth to a child I believe his name to be Francis, [ Surename maybe Dudley or Davies or a combination of both. ] the child was taken from her. Can anyone please help me trace these relatives, I would be be most grateful for any help given. Many Thanks.
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Sorry to go a little off thread, but do you know if Wem Union Workhouse records are also available at Shrewsbury?
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Yes, they are!!!!
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Wem/Wem.shtml
"Records: Shropshire Archives, Castle Gates, Shrewsbury, Shropshire SY1 2AQ. Holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1836-1918); Relief order books (1871-1912, with gaps); Ledgers (1837-1930); Farm and pig accounts (1904-35); etc."
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Garry
I haven't forgotten your request!!
As the children have been on their school holidays it's been difficult to get to the Archives. They all go back to school tomorrow, so hopefully I'll be able to get some free time to do look ups................I have a huge list, but I enjoy it :D
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Yes, they are!!!!
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Wem/Wem.shtml
"Records: Shropshire Archives, Castle Gates, Shrewsbury, Shropshire SY1 2AQ. Holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1836-1918); Relief order books (1871-1912, with gaps); Ledgers (1837-1930); Farm and pig accounts (1904-35); etc."
Thanks for that info - I'll have to visit Shrewsbury!
Les
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Les
If it's difficult for you to get to Shrewsbury then please let me know ;)
You may have a long wait though as my list is huge :o
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Les
If it's difficult for you to get to Shrewsbury then please let me know ;)
You may have a long wait though as my list is huge :o
Thanks for the offer, that's very decent of you. If you get the chance I would be exceptionally grateful. I live in Cumbria, but if I manage to visit Shrewsbury before you reach me on your list I'll let you know.
Thanks again
Les
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Just an update people!! I haven't forgotten any of the requests, I just haven't been able to get back to the Archives because of work commitments.
Fingers crossed that I'll be back there very soon :D
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Hi Garry, I know that your thread started 5 years ago, but I've only just found it by accident. Anyway I think I might be able to help you with the Berriew Ashley lass!! - She was my great grandmother! Great grandad was in fact Albert Warburton Hanlon, born August 1880, but we like to think of him as "the rogue". There is no evidence that great grandad and great grandmother ever married, although Albert does seem to have taken the Ashley name into his own. (Hence the census in 1901 and the marriage certificate mentioned in your messages), and great gran obviously thought that they were married.
The family story is that great grandad was a photographer/journalist in the 1st World war and was killed (no record of this happening though). When great gran went to collect his pension, she was told that his wife (probably Sarah Reynolds) had already claimed it. My grandad John AD Hanlon, was always known as Ashley rather than Hanlon, although the 2 older children remained Hanlon. John Hanlon was Albert's father, and John Ashley was my great great grandfather, he obviously decided to combine the two on the marriage cert to Sarah.
I don't know when or where Albert Hanlon actually died. You should be able to find Albert Warburton Hanlon, his father John Hanlon and his mother was Mary Ellen Warburton on the 1891 census in Lancashire.
Again, sorry that it's taken so long for me to post, but hope that this is of help if its not too late.
Jane
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Hi Jane,
well, it is very good indeed to contact you! This is quite an old post and I rarely if ever visit the site these days. I do indeed know a lot about Albert Warburton HANLON - my great grandfather too (makes us half second cousins I think). I have been in contact with a descendant from his "marriage" with Mary Ashley already, a William Roderick HANLON in Canada. He's called BILL and has the surname KAMERMAN though he's reverted to his genealogically correct HANLON surname.
A lot of what you've said I've heard from him in part or full, also through another person descended from Mary's brother. Yes, he was a rogue! It appears that he didn't actually marry Mary ASHLEY, though they gave all the appearance of being married. He did marry my great-gran Sarah Ann REYNOLDS in Newcastle upon Tyne, I have a copy of the cert though he marries as Albert Ashely-Hanlon!!
It seems that things went quickly wrong - I believe each "wife" found out about the other. Sarah was pregnant with my gran and ended up in the Workhouse at Berrington. Mary had nothing further to do with Albert I believe. Sarah remained officially married to Albert and became a widow in WW1 as you suggested. Sarah married her common law husband Pryce ROBERT in 1928, having gone to work for him about 1903/4 and then taken in as his "wife". Pryce was a widower with two lads, Sarah had my gran with Albert and the Sarah and Pryce went on to have two girls of their own. So the five children were all brought up as "ROBERTS" even though they weren't married!!
I have also heard stories about how Mary never remarried and went on to be killed in WW2.
Jane, I would love to add you into my tree and wonder if you'd like to swap details - after all we are blood relatives even though only in the "half" sense!! I'll send you my e-mail address so I can send you details of my side of the family and also copies of the certificates I have. Can't wait to hear how you fit in!!
Cheers,
Garry
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As a newcomer to Rootschat I have only just discovered this thread, I have a Great Grandmother - Mary Ann Lawson (nee Long), Great Aunt - Maria Lawson and Great Great Grandfather Thomas Long, in the 1901 census as paupers in the Berrington Workhouse, I can't find any of them after this date. Mary's husband -Samuel Lawson is absent after 1891 census.
Even more odd is the fact that my Grandfather Thomas Charles Lawson appears in the 1891 census in Everton Industrial School for boys in Liverpool, while his parents Samuel and Mary Ann are listed in the 1891 census living with 5 of his siblings in Shrewsbury. I have searched the records on FindmyPast, but nothing came up other than what info I have already. I would be most interested if anyone can help, especially with admission, discharge records for Berrington and Everton Industrial School.
Linda