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are the original census pages available for searching, I have family missing, have looked under all christain names, tried many corruptions of the surname
I wonder if they slipped the process somehow ??
comments appreciated
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Hi Dolphin
Yes, the original 1901 census details are available to search at your local record office and at places like The Family History Centre in London. (or rather the original enumerators books (on film)are available)
You have to stop and think who were the people who transcribed the 1901 for it to go on line - If my memory serves me correct, it was not done in England or by people who use English as their mother tongue - and all the silly little mistakes in occupation and places verify this.
They will be there somewhere, try doing a 'soundex' search or as some call it a 'fluffy search' have to keep doing.
Look at the name you are trying to find and substitute an 'e' for a 'c' or an 'o' etc; m or n or r very often get mixed up as well - keep at it till you score a hit.
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
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Hi Dolphin
Yes, the original 1901 census details are available to search at your local record office and at places like The Family History Centre in London. (or rather the original enumerators books are available)
You have to stop and think who were the people who transcribed the 1901 for it to go on line - If my memory serves me correct, it was not done in England or by people who use English as their mother tongue - and all the silly little mistakes in occupation and places verify this.
They will be there somewhere, try doing a 'soundex' search or as some call it a 'fluffy search' have to keep doing.
Look at the name you are trying to find and substitute an 'e' for a 'c' or an 'o' etc; m or n or r very often get mixed up as well - keep at it till you score a hit.
Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)
thanks Chris, the name in question is ORAM
you would have thought that they could have got just four letters right !!
Pat in Clacton Essex
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I've often wondered about this. Some of my Thorntons and Shepherds are missing from the 1901. I too have tried lots of different deviations but suggestions welcome............Jean
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Info taken form the 1901 site:
Are any parts missing on the 1901 returns?
Parts of Deal, Kent. You may also find that the odd page has suffered damage and so certain information is missing.
However, I too have found missing people by "guessing the mistakes".
Pauline
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I have also failed to find a family in the 1901 Cenus. I later learned where they were living in 1902, and going back found that address is actually missing from the census, although others in the same road are present.
Chris
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A tip I found elsewhere ...
Write down the names you are searching on a piece of paper. Use different handwriting styles, get others to write them too. Then try and guess, and get others to guess, what the handwritten names are. You can get a lot of variations that way.
Hope this helps
Bob
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Hi I have found Jacombs under Hacomby, Ball under Wall, ect. The only way I found these was to put there first name into the search box, with there place of birth (eg Lough*), there age +2 and also the place where they were (eg York*). I have found all my lost ancesters this way.
Happy hunting
Linda
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Have read all your suggestions, but still cannot find my EVANS family...
John Evans (head) - farmer in 1911, probably also in 1901
Martha Annie Evans (dau) b 1889
Polly Evans (dau) b 1896?
Winifred Evans (dau) b 1898/9? (d 1983 aged c84)
Name of wife unknown
No other siblings known
Winifred was born in Garthmyl (near Berriew, Montgomeryshire). I don't know where the other two daughters were born, but I've found them (possibly) on FreeBMD all under the same registration district.
I have tried searching for each of them, using various spellings of their forenames, including keywords etc etc, and also under an address where Winnie lived for 74 years.
Has anyone any suggestions as to how EVANS could be misread by a non-English person??? (Have tried substituting E with other letters, but no luck.)
Thanks
Bel
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Hi
I had a problem with my husband's family in 1901 although children had been born before and after the census at the same address. I had used 'Whitehaven' in the "key word" space ie the town, finally after many variations of the surname I took out the 'keyword' and they popped up in a place called "Whitehouse"!! so it is not just surnames which are a problem. The other thing which sometimes is confusing in any census is "place of birth". People often gave the small area in which they were born at one census then the main town in the next census.
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"People often gave the small area in which they were born at one census then the main town in the next census"
...Sometimes a change in who gives the info makes a difference. An example in my tree is Johanna Lowther nee Young is listed as born in Wigton Cumberland in all the census she appears (41 & 51) except for the last one in 1861 she is listed as born in Longhoughton Northumberland. This broke the wall down for finding her birth.
She is a widow by this time so I can only presume that he did the return but when she did it herself the truth came out.
It just shows that it is worth tracking all census down because you never know what you'll find.
Cheers,
Pam
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You all have some very good tips and I've tried most of them as well as others that I have read about and I still can't find great grandpa Harry Provis. I know where he was in June 1902, I know where his father was in 1901, I know where the mother of his child (born 1902) was in 1901 (married to someone else), but of Harry there is no sign either as male or female. He must have been in the area but after 18 months looking, I need a fresh insight. If anyone wants to have a crack at this, I put a post on the Census Look-up Request page.
Nell
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Hi,
I'm just TRYING to transcribe an index for my local 1901 Census and have a few other explanations now for missing people. Each enumerator had his/her/? own way of doing things! One has only put England/Ireland/Scotland etc., or puts a schedule number and possibly a name with no other information, which is a shop or other workplace with no inhabitants, or, a schedule number to a property whose occupants are not there on the night of census (or just didn't answer the door - is there anyone who has not done this at some time?) therefore the poor folk who did the transcription for 1901 had to decide whether to include these and more variations added to some awful writing/spelling/marking etc. Add to the concoction that English was not perhaps their first language and it is surprising that they got quite a lot of it correct!!
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Hi
I found my ggrandmother by searching her place of birth, her name was Rosa but she is listed as Cara on the 1901 and Bara on 1901, still looking for her husband though he appers to be missing from the census, but I will keep looking you never know. ;)
Diane
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I couldn't find my relatives, until I played around with the name, I found my family Sharratt under the name of Shanatt, obviously the double R looked like an N to the translator.
Happy Hunting
Juju
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thanks Chris, the name in question is ORAM
you would have thought that they could have got just four letters right !!
Pat in Clacton Essex
Pat, have you tried Cram?
Kazza.
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I also have had trouble finding people. I also tried to find names of servants who where living at Leighton Hall, Leyland Conyers. Wasn't able to find anything either under the owners names (Gillow, Waring-Gillow) or even under Leyland Conyers. Bit of a puzzle that as it's a famous place (Leighton Hall I mean)
Jean
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If you have tried searching the 1901 PRO site, try and find them on Ancestry version instead.
It has been transcribed by different people. I've often found people that have been mistranscribed on both versions.
If you have not got access to ancestry you can still access the census index and get some info.
You must be registered and sign on to ancestry first.
Do your search. When it presents you with a list - found N number of people in 1891 census, for example, there will be a padlock next to it indicating you cannot access it without paying.
Click on it anyway and it should present you with a list showing name, age, county of birth, county of residence.
Which is better than nothing. You could then redo the search and put in place of birth or place or residence and see if it matches what you were expecting.
try this link
http://www.ancestry.*com/subscribe/subscribefree1.asp
It should register you as guest member
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Thanks Elektra, it would have helped if I had got the place name right in the first place. I should have been looking for Yealand Conyers. :-[
Jean