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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: cazzie.d on Tuesday 11 April 06 17:31 BST (UK)
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My g.g.grandfather William Vivash born c1816 (he was 25 in the 1841 census, living in East Dean), mother possibly Sarah. Most likely born in Romsey area or surrounding villages. Trying to establish his father's name (and confirm his mother) - no luck so far.
Thanks
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Hi cazzie,
Welcome to RootsChat. :)
Have you seen this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145533.0.html
I have looked for William's baptism but have drawn a blank around 1816.
But there are these recorded:
All baptised 25 Dec 1832 East Dean, mother Sarah, no father recorded:
Cornelius
Joseph - recorded as a bastard
Sarah
William - recorded as a bastard
No ages are given, but the original records (at Winchester) may help.
Nell
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Hi Nell,
Thanks very much for the info. This certainly looks like my family - my William did have brothers called Joseph and Cornelius (according to census records).
Wonder why Sarah got them baptised as a job lot (and on Xmas day too) - guilty conscience maybe! The Vivash women seem to have had a habit of having illegitimate children :o
Thanks again
Caz
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Hi Caz and Welcome to Rootschat :D
I understand that the Churches used to do Christenings on Christmas Day for free....so maybe that's why ???
Wendi
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Hi Wendi
Thanks for that - the fact that it may have been a freebie would explain a lot - the Vivashes were all ag labs, so no cash to flash.
I'll have to try to get to Winchester to see if they have any more details.
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Winchester offer a research service, don't know where you are (your profile has no location filled in) but sometimes when you take in travelling, parking fees etc, it's as cheap !
http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/
Wendi
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Thanks Wendi,
I'm in Kent (profile updated!) but we often visit Selsey which isn't too far from Winchester (if I can drag a disinterested hubby along ;D!), but failing that, I may well make use of their research service.
Caz
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LOL I just watched a TV program about Selsey, makes me hungry for a decent English Summer :D Good luck with the research
Wendi
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DEAR MEMBER
I AM ALSO RESEARCHING THE SURNAME VIVASH FROM EAST DEAN - MY INTEREST COMES LOUISA VIVASH WHO WAS MY GT GT GRANDMOTHER ALL I REALLY KNOW ABOUT HER IS THAT SHE WAS B IN 1850 AND IN 1874 SHE WAS MARRIED TO CHARLES HAYTER AND THEY LIVED IN TOTTON/ELING, I THINK THAT HER FATHER WAS WILLIAM VIVASH. LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THERE COULD BE A CONNECTION.
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Hello genie47,
I do have a Louisa Vivash in my tree, but her father was Thomas and her husband was Herbert Osborne. However, if your Vivash family are from the East Dean area, there is a very strong possibility that there is a connection. There are hundreds of Vivashes in that area, and they are all related. Have you tried Genes Reunited? If you look for your Louisa there, you will most likely find her. There is one member who has done a huge amount of research on the Vivash family - he can be contacted through the site. Good hunting!
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I think I must have previously replied to this. William was my gggrandfather and I have a lot of information about this branch. His father was Thomas Vivash who died at East Dean in 1829 aged 70. There is no evidence of his birth or where he came from although there is some mention in one of his marriage records. He married 3 times. The nearest and only Thomas Vivash born in 1759 is the baptism of one by this name at Great Bedwyn but it is a leap of faith that they are the same person.
William's mother was Sarah but her surname unknown. The reason you can't find his baptism c1816 is that he was baptised on 25th December 1832 at East Dean along with his siblings. They are all listed as illegitimate and their ages are given and you can work out their birth years (a previous message gives this information). This may mean that Sarah and Thomas were never married but his name is given as father on all of Sarah's children's marriage certificates.
William's wife was widow Eliza Stone nee Long. Eliza's widowed mother Harriett married William's widowed brother Cornelius. They had no children themselves but did look after my ggrandfather James Vivash for a while (in one of the East Dean census').
Hope it helps.
Barry
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Hi Barry
I believe you did provide me with this information previously via another posted query on the Vivash family.
It's been most helpful - I've been able to expand my tree considerably
Thank you
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Glad to be of help Cassie. Can you remind me what Vivash line you are descended from. Incidentally, while looking around I found a photo of Samuel Levi Vivash, a son of Arnold so it's been a good day for me too.
Barry
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I'm very late in seeing this thread but I hope Barry is still on this site. Samuel Levi Vivash is my gt grandfather and I'd love to know where I could find the photo he mentions please.
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Hi Caz, I'm still around and forgotten all about that. I'll have to look into my files to see if I can find the photo of Samuel. From memory he is descended from Walter Levi who moved to Tottenham from Hampshire. That's a coincidence because we moved up from Maidstone to a town just north of there.
Barry
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Hi Barry
Thanks for reply.
Samuel Levi Vivash was the son of Arnold and they stayed in Hampshire. Awbridge and Bramdean I think. Ive recently noticed there's a David who moved to Tottenham though. Will now go and check if I've got Walter Levi in my tree. Hope you can find the photo, thanks again. Janice
Update: yes I've got him, he's Arnold's brother.