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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Hunter on Monday 10 April 06 22:53 BST (UK)
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Hi
I hope someone can help, I have a 1841 transcription which gives the place of birth as 'Damfoot Scotland' or 'Dumfrost Scotland.
Can anyone suggest where this might be?
Thanks in anticipation
Hunter
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Hi Hunter
My first thought is that Dumfrost is a wrongly transcribed Dumfries. Perhaps you could give us more details of where the people where living or something about them so that a check can be made on the 1851 for example.
Gadget
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Hi
I did a google search and came across a Yard at Damfoot, Newmills in Teviot, Harwich which I believe is in Roxburgh.
That is all I found ..... hope that helps a bit :)
Cal
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Doh!! It was Hawick not Harwich!! Which is in Roxburgh
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Thanks for the quick response,
my apologies though - it was from the 1851 census not the 1841.
The details are:
Margaret Hunter age 27 Lodger Birthplace Damfoot Scotland (although someone else has given it is 'Dumfrost') They were in Pontefract Yorkshire at the time.
Margaret was Davison prior to her marriage to Alexander Hunter in York in 1839, he was from Attercliffe Sheffield.
On the marriage cert her father was William Davison. I don't have them in 1861 or later although I do have a child's birth cert, for 1851 born in Hull.
Thanks for the help so far...
regards
Hunter
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Hi
I have just re read my posting and it is not clear (even to me :) ) Hawick is a border town so it is quite possible that she went south?
Have you looked on Scotlands People website. My lot were from Roxburgh in Melrose and I have found a great deal from there
Cal
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I agree Cal
Scotlands People is one of my best investments :) Not only all those lovely certificates and census info, but the OPRs and Wills (if you're lucky) and most available to download/view online.
Gadget
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it was from the 1851 census not the 1841.
Margaret Hunter age 27 Lodger Birthplace Damfoot Scotland (although someone else has given it is 'Dumfrost') Margaret was Davison prior to her marriage to Alexander Hunter in York in 1839. On the marriage cert her father was William Davison.
If she was aged 27 in 1851, she was born 1823/4. If she was married in 1839, she would have been no more than 16 years old - not impossible, but very unusual.
Are you working from a transcription of the original census, or from an image? Could you post the image so that we can have a look at it?
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Hunter,
I am pretty sure that that it stands for Dumfries-shire.
The enumerator's normal practice is to put the county first. Often his indication (either for English or for Scottish counties) that there is supposed to be some sort of abbreviation of 'shire' is very rudimentary - perhaps 'sh' or 're' (of varying degrees of clarity) or even just a little curly mark. And looking at what he normally does, I'd be very surprised indeed if he would list a place in Scotland no-one would have heard of - it isn't his style.
HO107/2330, folio 50
Yorkshire, Pontefract, Newgate
Alexander is on the previous page (24) at the bottom of a long list of lodgers.
The household continues on the next page (25):
David Boggers
Lodger
U
42
Joiner
Invernessre Scotland (the last 's' of Inverness is barely there, the 're' is a superscript)
Margret Hunter
- Lodger (actually this is shown only as " )
- M
- 27
- (there is no entry in the occupation column)
- Dumf?sh Scotland (there are a total of 7 letters - I think that the last two letters, interpreted elsewhere as 'st', are actually 'sh' standing for 'shire'; the first four letters are certainly Dumf but the one I've indicated with '?' is very doubtful - however I do feel that the place is meant to be short for Dumfries-shire)
John Hunter
- Lodger (again shown as " )
- 7
- Son of Margret Hunter
- Yorke Hull (the 'e' at the end of York is hardly there, and the 'u' in Hull looks more like an 'a')
Catharine Hunter
- Lodger (again shown as ")
- 2
- Daugt do
- Kent Woolwich
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JAP
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Thanks Jap for checking with the original, I have a transcription. I suspect that the age of Margaret is an error, (could it possibly read as 29 instead of 27). Her marriage cert shows her as 18, the 1841 shows her as 20 yrs so she should be 29 or 30 by the time of the 1851.
Anyway I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman knocking a few years off her age!
I will follow the advise of rootschatters and take a look at Scotlands People - I don't hold out much hope though as she was born before registration.
Thanks to everyone who has replied so far...
regards
Val
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Hello Val,
No, the age is very clearly entered as 27.
A free search (you do need to register but that is free) on ScotlandsPeople found no births/baptisms of a Marg*t DAVISON, father W*m, 1820-1825 in Scotland; it found 9 Marg*t DAVIDSONs with father W*m.
Of course, it is entirely possible that there is no record to be found. Margaret may not have been baptized at all (this was quite common - and Statutory Registration did not begin in Scotland until 1855); she may have been baptized in a church the records of which have not survived or have not been indexed; etc, etc. It is also possible (noting that her father was a hawker) that he travelled around and that she might even have been born over the border in Scotland but baptized later in England.
What denomination was Margaret's marriage ceremony?
Sorry not to be more optimistic.
JAP
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Hi Jap
They were married in St Margaret's Parish Church in the City of York.
Thanks for your help
Val
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Hi again Val,
I asked because almost all of the pre-1855 Scottish records in the IGI and on ScotlandsPeople come from the (Presbyterian) established Church of Scotland.
The fact that Margaret was married in the Church of England may, of course, mean nothing about the religion of her parents. But if they were CofE, they'd probably be Episcopalians in Scotland - and a check of Hugh Wallis's site shows that there are no batches in Dumfries-shire from Episcopalian churches.
JAP