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Hi folks,
I'd so appreciate a lookup for a marriage record for the following couple:
John EDMONDS / EDMUNDS and Emily LITT.
I am trying to determine whether this couple ended up in NSW (where my great-grandmother, Edith Pearl EDMONDS was born in 1887)
Thanks
best wishes
Leanne
in the Netherlands
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John Edmonds m Emily Litt
1865
Victoria ref No 32
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Looks like the family was in NSW from at least 1878; from NSW BDMs (www.bdm.nsw.gov.au):
7335/1878 EDMONDS, EMILY JOHN EMILY ALBURY
5287/1885 EDMONDS, ELSIE M JOHN EMILY CANTERBURY
5614/1887 EDMONDS, EDITH P JOHN EMILY CANTERBURY
As the earlier birth was recorded in Albury, which today is right on the border between NSW and Victoria, and the later two are in Canterbury which is now a south-western suburb of Sydney, it would seem that John and Emily were travelling northwards for several years following their marriage. Interesting! :)
Hope that helps
Prue
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Hi Leanne
The children born in Victoria to this couple.
Sarah Jane EDMONDS born 1867 Beechworth Reg: 20153 Mother listed as Emma LITT
John Thomas EDMONDS born 1870 Beechworth Reg: 13842 Mother: Emma LETT
George EDMONDS born 1873 Beechworth Reg: 695 Mother: Emma LETT
Children born/died in the Albury district NSW to John and Emma/Emily EDMONDS/EDMUNDS
William born 1874 ref: 5266/1874 died 1874 ref: 3421/1874
Sarah J died 1876 ref: 4249/1876
William born 1876 Ref: 6609/1876 died 1882 ref: 5135/1882
Rosetta born 1880 ref: 8594/1880 died 1882 ref: 5142/1882 (Mother listed as Emily)
Albert T born 1882 ref: 9748/1882
Emily died 1882 ref: 5141/1882 - mother: Emily
Genni
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Thanks for the lookups folks.
Sad to see that 3 of the children died in 1882.
If anyone has access to the 1865, Ref 32 Victoria marriage record for John & Emily i'd appreciate any detail that might be included.
best wishes
Leanne
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Leanne
You can purcahse and download an uncertified image online, cost is $17.50AUD
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/servlet/IdxSearch?action=purchaseImage
Victorian certificates are pretty informative and should give details of parents, birthplace etc.
Cheers
Genni
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Aah .. Thank you Genni,
I ordered 2 certificates from NSW last year and they only had the "snail mail" option. I didn't know that Victoria has a digital option .. that certainly makes for instant gratification!
best wishes
Leanne
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One of my ancestors also had 3 children who died in Victoria in 1882. I only have one of the certificates so far, but she died of typhoid fever. Could possibly be same for yours.
Jane
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Hello Leanne in the Netherlands.
You enquired about John Edmonds and Emma (Emily) Litt.
They were my Great Grandparents . My Grandfather on my Mother's side.
They were married in Beechworth, Victoria, on the 2nd February, 1865. I have a copy of their Marriage Certificate.
They did eventually live in Sydney.
I remember my Grandmother, their daughter in law, speaking of a "Perlie Edmonds"
This is my first time contacting anyone in this manner but I was glad to see your note.
All good wishes Rosie 36
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Hello again , Leanne.
I have just realise, slow of me, that my Grandfather, Albert Thomas was the elder brother of your Grandmother Edith Pearl. I think that makes us 2nd cousins.
I see that Edith Pearl was born in Canterbury.
I grew up and went to school there within a short distance of where she was born,and now live in Victoria.
John Edmonds was a drover as was Emily's brother James.
As there was a divorce in the family I don' know a great deal about the Edmonds side. Only memories of things said when I was a child. I am now doing research. I do have contact with James Litt's GG grandaughter.
Rosie 36
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Hello Rosie,
Lovely to hear from a cousin!
I've neglected the Edmonds family story for too long and am delighted to receive your message - revives the interest :)
Edith Pearl Edmonds was my great-grandmother. She married George Cains in Sydney and their daugher, Eleanor Cains was my grandmother. My granny passed away before I got interested in family history and I do so wish I could sit down with her now and hear all the facts and fables!
Do you happen to have any photographs of John and Emily Edmonds?
best wishes
Leanne
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Hello Leanne, Sorry I don't have any photos of that side of the family except for one of Albert Thomas taken about1900 with Christena, my Nana.
Nana and my Auntie Rose aften spoke of Perlie Edmonds and I think I met her as a small child. I seem to remember a son Ross who had some sort of physical disability, perhaps cerabral palsy or similar.They lived , I think, at Manly. Nana divorced Albert in 1906. That I why I know so little of things. We were always told he had died before mother was born, and it is only in very recent years that we learnt the truth.
John Edmonds and James Litt, Emily's elder brother were both Drovers. I guess that would be how they met I tried to email you today at an address I found but it was out of date .Is there another way to contact you? There is much that is to personal to put put out so publicly.You are obviously more familiar with this form of contact than I. How can I give you my email address privately.? Rosie.
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Hi Rosie and welcome to Rootschat!
If you click on the little green scroll icon under Leanne's name in the left hand margin, you can send her a private message with your contact details or any personal information.
Cheers, Jane
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Thank you for you help Jane.
Can you tell me how to list the names in which I have an interest.
All help grealty appreciated. Rosie.
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Sure! :)
Scroll right up to the top of the page and click on 'Profile' then under 'Modify Profile' click on 'RootsChat Profile Information. Then you just add the names under 'Research Names or Areas'. Click on 'Change Profile' And you're done! :D
You'll find the good folks on RootsChat to be very helpful and friendly and a goldmine of information and suggestions. The day I stumbled upon Roots Chat was a Good day!
Jane
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Again Thanks Jane.
Too tired for more tonight so will get on with in the morning.
I too am glad I have stumbled on this site.
Rosie
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My wife is descended from John Thomas Edmonds and his children were born in Sydney. Does anybody know about this son of Emma and John? He is a slight mystery, i don't know where he died but word is he made a heap of money and his son Arthur Edmonds changed his name so his siblings wouldn't pester him for inheritance.
I have never found anything on the Edmonds before this forum so many thanks!
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Hello Paul
I should have signed that email Rosie 36.
Sorry,
I'm rather new to this form of contact.
Rosie 36
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Hi all, have just joined this forum and was quite excited to see other folk are interested in John Thomas Edmonds. He is my great grandfather. He married Mary Isabel Golby and they had a number of children born in sydney, one of them being by grandfather Albert Leslie Edmonds. He was estranged from the family (he always said that he threw a log into the river to save someone they were playing with and the other child subsequently died and that he was put into a home). Poppy was a bit of a larrikin so was probably a handful as a kid. John Thomas Edmonds seems to have disappeard from before 1909. Mary lived with Sydney Ernest Gaffey and had children with him from 1909. They married in 1934. I havent been able to find out if they divorced or not. I have sent for a Queensland Death Cert of a John Thomas Edmonds who died in 1932- it could be him.
Anyway, hope to hear from someone soon. Julie
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Hi Julie,
That makes us 3rd cousins. My great-grandmother, Edith, was John's sister. Oh what a wonderful thing this internet is! Where in Sydney did your grandparent's end up? My grandmother (cousin to your poppie) was in Manly for most of her life.
Leanne
in The Netherlands - way over here on the other side of the world
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He married Mary Isabel Golby and they had a number of children born in sydney, one of them being by grandfather Albert Leslie Edmonds.
I was interested to compare your info to what I've collected and see that i've got John's wife down as being Ida Mary Logan and having 8 children between 1892 and 1906. I'll check later today at what my sources were, unfortunatley saved on my home desktop pc.
cheers
Leanne
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Hi, I have a marriage certificate from nsw states that on 15 aug 1878, John Thomas Edmonds married Mary Isobel Golby. John Thomas was a drover, bachelor born in beechworth Victoria. He was 28 at the
time of mariage. His parents are listed as John Edmonds (Drover) and Emma Litt.
Mary Isobel Golby (spinster) from Homebush NSW was a dressmaker 21 at the time. Her father was george golby (ganger?) and mothers name was isabel Neill.
Incidentally, i did find a death certificate for another John Thomas Edmonds who was born around the same time. He was married to Sarah formerly Langley and was a grain merchant. He ided on 21 April 1957 at 83 years, married to Susannah surname unknown. His fathers name was John Thomas Edmonds and his mothers name was sarah formerly Langley. If your are interested I am happy to send both copies. Julie
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Hello again, I also have a birth cert for a John Thomas Edmonds whose mother was Sara langley born in Hobart. John and Sarah were married on 14 Feb 1859 and at the thime of John Thomas birth had had 6 children (4 of whom had died). I can't make out the first 2 names but they were 16 years, 10 yrs, Alice, Sarah and arthur had died already and Amelia was 2 years of age. so... presumably this John Thomas would have a number of offspring as well. Julie
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Ida Marie Edmonds filed for divorce against John Thomas in 1897. Up until then Mary Isobel Golby's kids have no father listed, once the divorce is filed they are Edmonds kids and in 1898 John marries Mary.
Seems John Thomas was off fathering kids with Mary until Ida got sick of it and divorced him.
Jag04 you mention your grandfather was put in a home. It seems my wife's Great grandfather (Arthur, Albert's brother) was also raised by someone else, as was his twin sister who has a death certificate registered but actually changed her name then went on to marry and have a child. I'm not sure what was going on in this family but it sure seems pretty wild.
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Hi Julie and Paul,
I think I might have stumbled upon an answer to why the children of John Thomas might have changed their names and/or been raised somewhere other than at home. The newspaper archives offer up a couple of articles about a John Thomas Edmonds being accused of :
An alleged assult in 1903, reported in the Sydney Morning Herald, 1 dec 1903
and the The Advertiser, Adelaide reports on the 14 July 1932 that a John Thomas Edmonds is found guilty of "Relief by false pretences", I guess that would be known as welfare fraud today.
No way of knowing exactly if this refers to the same man, but it does offer an explantion for the children not knowing a whole lot about him. Might there be an Adelaide death for him?
I'm happy to post the clippings here, or alternatively email them to you if you message me your email addresses.
best wishes
Leanne
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My gt grandpa's younger brother John David Bradshaw married Louisa Saville (nee Mapstone) in 1910. Over a period of years they took in four unrelated girls. The first of these was Isabella Golby Edmonds, b. 1906, whose parents appear to have been John T Edmonds and Mary I Golby. No-one knows where these girls came from or how they came to be fostered out, etc. I gather that Isabella (Margaret?) later changed her name to Bradshaw and she married in the 1920S. I've searched the internet, high and low, for info about these fostered/adopted children and have drawn blanks every time. They did not come from the Randwick Destitute Children's Asylum. The Bradshaws lived in the Redfern area, so maybe the families knew each other (John and Mary were married in Redfern). I'm wondering if Mary ditched the children when she started her relationship with Sidney Gaffey? I had never heard of John David Bradshaw until I started doing my tree and no-one else knew he existed either. It's strange, isn't it? He was a bit of a naughty boy in his teens and maybe the rest of the family turned their backs on him?
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Hello All,
Nice to be here!
Thanks first to greggiebear who has also sent me a message separately via ancestry.com. So much has been cleared-up/solidified via this site & from him.
Now for more good stuff.
Margaret Isobel Golby-Edmonds or "Bella" as she liked to be known was my grandmother or "Nana". She was not in touch with her family so I never met any of them, but she did confirm she had a twin, who I know now is Arthur, who she confessed to my Dad 3 years or so before she passed that he was in the Campbelltown area in Sydney's south-west - she was in her late-80s at this stage so you can imagine how bowled over everyone was!
Leanne, I think you're a 3rd cousin & Julie (jag04) a second cousin.
I'm based in inner-western Sydney, born & raised in Sydney & started to try & find out info on Nana as she was so secretive & NEVER talked of her family to her siblings & I believe they were never allowed to ask...Anyway, started looking as a way to secure a British visa hoping she may have been born there & found out she's definitely dinky. I have several certificates including her marriage certificate to Thomas Hodgson, Catholic church Erskinville in 1926. She had 5 children, only one still surviving today.
Happy to share what I can :-)
Cheers,
Kelly (kelster)
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Hello again,
Some more info - paulfarthing - I think you may have contacted me before too; it looks as thought your wife & I are also cousins, just not sure if it's 2nd or 3rd. This is what I have established about my Nana's twin brother which your wife may r may not be able to corroborate:
-Arthur S Golby Edmonds => Arthur S Hitchens
-Twin to Margaret Isobel Golby Edmonds both b. 1906 => Margaret "Bella" Bradshaw-
-Married Rita Adeline Seward in 1925 (or thereabouts)
-Arthur passed 1981, Croydon Park NSW
-Lived 1930 in Newtown (electoral role)
-Lived 1933 in same address in Newtown (as above)
-Lived 1936 St Peters (electoral role)
I'm not sure when Arthur changed his name but the inheritance bit is starting to ring true, either that or they changed their names because they all/most were fostered out & decided to do so of their own accord...
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Kelly
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Sorry for third immediate post, but I now have a question:
Does anyone have any knowledge/info on one Sylvia J (Jean?) Bradshaw? She was married to one Arthur T Humphries and as she was a Bradshaw I'm wondering if maybe she is a sister to John Bradshaw who adopted my Nana Margaret Isobel Golby Edmonds AKA Bella Bradshaw? Greggiebear?
Many thanks!
Kelly
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Kelly, (and others)
The four girls fostered by John Bradshaw and his wife, Louisa, were Isabella (nee Golby Edmonds), Gladys May (Farmer), Sylvia Jean (Graham ) and Daisy Jean (Coxhead). I have had contact with a daughter of Gladys (who married Arthur T. Firth and had four children) and never talked about her childhood and the son of Sylvia (who married Frank Humphries and had three sons).
Gladys and Sylvia were adopted (adoption didn't start until the mid 1910s) and both became "Bradshaws".
My great grandfather Thomas Bradshaw seems to have had a falling out with his mother who remarried shortly after the death of his father. (He fell to his death from the tower of the Sydney GPO in 1885 when they were dismantling the scaffolding.) So we never heard about or met either his brother or sister or any of their children. Strange isn't it? My father, an only child, passed away in 1984 so I can't check with him.
I didn't know about John Bradshaw until the wife (now deceased) of Arthur Humphries contacted me via GenesReunited, to see what info I might have had about Arthur's mum Gladys). So it all came as a surprise to me. None of the "children" I have contacted have any clues as to how the fosterings came about and so forth. John and Louisa had no natural offspring, Louisa had some children from a previous marriage. Some of these may have lived with John and Louisa, but no-one knows.
Hope this clears some things up.
Greg
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Hi all my Great Grand Father was Sidney Gaffey and Grandmother was Mary Isabel Golby they had Thomas Sidney Gaffey , born 1912 died 1969 (my Grandfather) witch i never got to meet nore my mother , and 3 other siblings Irene, Joyce and Patrick i am looking for links to this faimly as we have none and it is so hard to please feel free to contact me if you want to know more * i have included a photo of my mum and her mum she was married to thomas sidney gaffey one of Sidney and Mary's Children i am also chasing photos
2 more photos one of my Fathers Sister Joyce with my Mother
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Hi all, have just joined this forum and was quite excited to see other folk are interested in John Thomas Edmonds. He is my great grandfather. He married Mary Isabel Golby and they had a number of children born in sydney, one of them being by grandfather Albert Leslie Edmonds. He was estranged from the family (he always said that he threw a log into the river to save someone they were playing with and the other child subsequently died and that he was put into a home). Poppy was a bit of a larrikin so was probably a handful as a kid. John Thomas Edmonds seems to have disappeard from before 1909. Mary lived with Sydney Ernest Gaffey and had children with him from 1909. They married in 1934. I havent been able to find out if they divorced or not. I have sent for a Queensland Death Cert of a John Thomas Edmonds who died in 1932- it could be him.
Anyway, hope to hear from someone soon. Julie
Hi Julie My great grandfather was sidney gaffey and they had my mothers father thomas sidney gaffey and others i am trying to locate faimly from this time and photos you can contact me at (*) hope to hear from any of you soon many thanks
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herveybayoldgirl22 your 2nd photo posted is that of Joyce Eilene Gaffey on her wedding day to Bruce Leo Garstang (my aunt and uncle). Joyce was daughter to Thomas Sidney and Kathleen Mabel Gaffey ( dont confuse this Joyce with Thomas's sister also a Joyce). Thomas Sidney was "married" 3 times that i know of to Kathleen, Lorna and Dot. I remember my Pop Tom reasonably well and saw him immediatly before he passed away from a brain tumor & complications. I have tracked back the Thomas Sidney Gaffey side to when they came to Aus, but the Golby side is confusing @ this time. Both Joyce (nee Gaffey) and Bruce Garstang passed away in 2001 & 2003. Thomas Sidney Gaffey is cremated at Rookwood Sydney.
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Hi their she was my mother is Joyce sister her father was Thomas Gaffey and Mother was Nola Hardy they were married for a short time but sep not long after mum was born as her mother placed her in a home in tas in 1947 till 5 look forward to hearing from you......
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Hi Herveybay, the Gaffeys are a complex crowd. I assume your the granddaughter of Nola who was Thomas Sidney's 2nd wife (he had at least 3). I also assume you are the daughter of Leslie. I am the son (John Barrett) of Thomas Sidneys Daughter to his First Marriage(kathleen) Patricia Gaffey (Barrett) , I can confirm the pics you posted are 1. Nola and leslie possibly taken at Homebush NSW on the site of the now Markets, 2. Joyce Gaffey & Bruce Garstang on their wedding day Flemington NSW ( joyce is Leslies stepsister) and 3. is Nola and baby leslie (so hidden but i am sure she is cute) i can't confirm the other lady. I have pics of Thomas Sidney i will copy and email and a rough Gaffey Family Tree. Regards JB
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Hi Herveybay, the Gaffeys are a complex crowd. I assume your the granddaughter of Nola who was Thomas Sidney's 2nd wife (he had at least 3). I also assume you are the daughter of Leslie. I am the son (John Barrett) of Thomas Sidneys Daughter to his First Marriage(kathleen) Patricia Gaffey (Barrett) , I can confirm the pics you posted are 1. Nola and leslie possibly taken at Homebush NSW on the site of the now Markets, 2. Joyce Gaffey & Bruce Garstang on their wedding day Flemington NSW ( joyce is Leslies stepsister) and 3. is Nola and baby leslie (so hidden but i am sure she is cute) i can't confirm the other lady. I have pics of Thomas Sidney i will copy and email and a rough Gaffey Family Tree. Regards JB
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