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Hello I am doing this for my friend....she is going to be a new Rootschat member. so just now I am helping her get started....she is looking for her grandfather William Francis BUCKLE born abt 1773 Camberwell London died Essex. Oct 17 1826.
Tinkerbell.
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Hi,
He would have been 153 when he died. Guess you mean died 1826 which is of course before any census.
Regards
Geoff
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The death registration for William F. Buckle in 1926 indicate he was 53 so a birth in 1873.
From FreeBMD
Births Dec 1873
Buckle William Francis London C. 1c 44
1881 census RG11 378 folio 93
1 Kennet Wharf St Martin Ventry London
William Buckle 34 Brighton, Sussex, Head Married Warehouse Porter
Kezia Buckle 33 Deptford, Kent, Wife Married
William Buckle 7 London City, London, Middlesex, Son
Mary A. Buckle 5London City, London, Middlesex, Daughter
George Buckle 4 London City, London, Middlesex, Son
Arthur Buckle 2 London City, London, Middlesex, Son
Ada J. Buckle 2 days London City, London, Middlesex, Daughter
Marriages Dec 1872
BUCKLE William Wandsworth 1d 887
HUTCHINGS Kezia Wandsworth 1d 887
1891 census RG11 239 folio 161
1 Kennet Wharf Lane St James Garlickhithe London
William W Buckle 42 Brighton, Sussex, Head Married Grocer's Warehouseman
Kezia Buckle 42 NK Wife Married
William F Buckle 17 London City Son Apprentice ? Stationers
Mary A Buckle 15 London City Daughter Mantle Making
George Buckle 14 London City Son
Arthur Buckle 12 London City Son
Ada J Buckle 10 London City Daughter
Kezia Buckle 6 London City Daughter
Bertie Buckle 4 London City Son
Winifred L Buckle 1 London City Daughter
1901 census RG13 265 folio
56 Ludgate Hill St Martin Ludgate London
William W Buckle 53 Sussex, Head Married Housekeeper
Kezia Buckle 53 Kent, Wife Married
Mary Ann Buckle 25 City E C Daughter Servant
Ada Buckle 19 City E C Daughter Dressmaker
Kezia Buckle 15 City E C Daughter
Winifred Buckle 13 City E C Daughter
Marriages Sep 1898
Buckle William Francis London City 1c 39
Holman Laura Annie London City 1c 39
1901 census RG13 501 folio 91
20 Worlingham Road Camberwell London
William Francis Buckle 27 Queenhithe, London, Head Married Solictor's Clerk
Laura Annie Buckle 32 Camberwell, London, Wife Married
Minnie Laura Buckle 7 mths Camberwell, London, Daughter
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda,
I am a bit confused because after my posting Tinkerbell modified the date of death to 1826. Think we need to wait for confirmation.
Regards
Geoff
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Geoff
The date of death I think was modified after my posting as I followed what was on the thread.
It can't be a grandfather with dates like 1773-1826.
Death registration
December quarter 1926
Romford registration district
Volume 4a page 481
William F. Buckle aged 53
There is however a William Francis Buckle born earlier than 1873 in Camberwell, but he died earlier to
Births Mar 1867
Buckle William Francis Camberwell 1d 662
Deaths Sep 1904
BUCKLE William Francis 37 Camberwell 1d 514
He was a law clerk and he was married with children living in Camberwell in 1901.
Regards
Valda
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OK thanks Valda, but she modified the date to 1826 which confused me.
Regards
Geoff
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Hello I would like to thank Geoff, Valda from my friend Joy for your help.
The 1881census (is not the right family)
1891 census " " "
1901 census " " "
Marriage Sept 1898
Buckle William francis London City 1c 39
Holman Laura Annie London City 1c 39
1901 Census RG13 20, Worlingham Rd, Camberwell London
William Francis Buckle 27, Queenhithe London head Marr Solicitors Clerk
Laura Annie Buckle 32, Camberwell London Wife Marr
Minnie Laura Buckle 7 months Camberwell London daur.
I will now try for William & Laura's Family.
Thank You,
Tinkerbell.
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Sorry I'm not sure I understand
'I will now try for William & Laura's Family'
William's family is the one I have given the censuses for - Queenhithe is the wharf area where the his family was living on the earlier censuses. This is the place William married to Laura gives as his place of birth on the 1901 census.
http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/map-queenhith.htm
This William married Laura Annie Holman in the city of London area where the Buckles lived and then moved to Camberwell.
There is another William Francis Buckle born and living in Camberwell in 1901. He was an older man. He married in Southwark.
Marriages Dec 1889
Buckle William Francis St. Saviour 1d 481
Taylor Annie Caroline St. Saviour 1d 481
and died in Camberwell in 1904.
There are only the two William Francis Buckles on FreeBMD.
Regards
Valda
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1891 census very close to the Buckle family on the same census - both living in the City of London
RG12 240 folio 37
6 Martins Lane St Martin Orgars London
Martha Holman 60 Hendon, Middlesex, Head Widow Housekeeper
Minnie Holman 31 Marylebone, London, Daughter Unmarried Nurse
Laura Holman 21 Camberwell, Surrey, Daughter Unmarried Chemist's assistant
Elizabeth Rands 29 Paddington, London, Daughter Married Visitor
Walter Rands 4 London (City), Grandson.
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
Im really sorry about the confusion my mistake ??? sometimes Im not very good at putting things down !
The 1901 Census RG13 501 folio 91 is the correct one.
William Francis Buckle 27
Married to Laura Buckle nee (HOLMAN)
Daur Minnie Laura.
(Camberwell London)
Marriage Sep 1898 London City 1c 39 Buckle William Francis
Holman Laura Annie
I have Laura Holmans parents now as you sent me 1891c living close to the Buckles.
Thank you Geoff & Valda, for helping a confused person :-[
The above is the right family.
Tinkerbell
Regarding my question in earlier posting was to now try and find William Francis BUCKLES parents
Laura Anne Buckle nee (HOLMAN)
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The point I'm making is I've found William Francis Buckle's parents and given you the censuses for them 1881-1901. William Francis is with them on 1881 and 1891 censuses (the same man married to Laura on the 1901 census living in Camberwell).
I don't know why you think those censuses are not the correct family?
You also have his parents marriage reference in 1872. Kezia nee Hutchings, William's mother is relatively easy to track back on the censuses to Deptford but his father William is much more difficult. It may require some help from the details he gives on his marriage to Kezia.
Laura, William's wife's family seems difficult to spot on the 1881 census but the 1871 census gives her and both her parents.
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
I don't know what you must think of me :-[ I feel so silly.....I know exactly what you were saying now (I think I must have had a few SENIOR moments) all rolled into one.
William Buckle Snr
Kezia
Parents of William jnr.
I have quite abit to go on now,
thanks Valda.
Happy Easter.
(Tinkerbell) Rita
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1871 census RG10 679 folio 96
2 Elfin Road Lambeth London
Robert Holman 40 Brixton, Surrey, Head Married Waiter
Martha Holman 39 Hendon, Middlesex, Wife Married
Minnie Holman 12 Marylebone, Middlesex, Daughter
Elizabeth Holman 10 Paddington, Middlesex, Daughter
Robert H Holman 7 Paddington, Middlesex, Son
Walter C Holman 5 Paddington, Middlesex, Son
Laura Holman 2 Lambeth, Surrey, Daughter
Marriages Sep 1857
Baker Martha Marylebone 1a 792
Holman Robert Marylebone 1a 792
1861 census RG9 395 folio 188
28 Hyde Street Deptford St Paul Kent
Thos Job 63 Sheerness, Kent, Head Married Fire Engine Keeper in an M V Yard
Harriett Job 65 Mipham, Kent, Wife Deptford Married (Meopham or Mersham?)
Kesia Hutchins 12 Deptford, Kent, Granddaughter
1851 census HO107 1584 folio 739
14 Greenfield Place Deptford St Paul Kent
John Hutchings 27 Deptford, Kent, Head Married Cooper
Jemima Hutchings 28 Chatham, Kent, Wife Married
Jemima Hutchings 6 Deptford, Kent, Daughter
Eliza Hutchings 5 Deptford, Kent, Daughter
Kezia Hutchings 3 Deptford, Kent, Daughter
plus 1 lodger
Marriages Sep 1844
Job Jemima Sarah Greenwich 5 258
Hutchings John Greenwich 5 258
William Buckle senior is much more problematic. The details from his marriage will probably be needed to trace him on earlier censuses.
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
What more can I say but a very big thank you ;D you are so GOOD. do you belong to Ancestry or ?????? I really must join one of them....instead of always asking for help.
Joy has joined Rootschat her name is Tyyson 1 but she is coming round for me to show her how to use the site ? not that Im alot of good !!!!! but I can help abit.
Rita
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Wanting to make contact with person (Joy?) who was searching for this William Francis Buckle who married Laura Holman.
I'm in that Holman family and have other information.
Appreciate all who have contributed on this thread as it's filled in some gaps for me.
Tabatha
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Hi Tabatha, My name is Joy Stewart and I live in Rockingham Western Australia. My father's name was William Bernard Buckle and his father's name was William Francis Buckle born in Queenhithe London Middlesex England in 1874 and died 17 October 1926 in Ilford Essex. In September 1898 he married in Wandsworth London, Laura Annie Holman born in 1869 in Lambeth Surrey England and died in 1953 in Ilford Essex. Her parents were Robert Holman and Martha Baker, born in Hendon Middlesex England. They had 5 children, Laura, Minnie, Elizabeth, Robert and Walter. I wont write any more in case we are on different tracks. Look forward to hearing whether you fit into this tree. Bye for now Joy