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I would be extremely grateful if there is anyone willing
and able to lookup this family in the 1841 Census.
Family in 1851 Census: Cumbergate, Peterbro’
Rerence: HO 107/1747
Maurice 35 Cabinet Maker born Stamford, Lincolnshire
Charlotte 34 Castor, Northamptonshire
Maurice 11 Crowland, Lincolnshire
William 4 Hull, Yorkshire
Charlotte 1 Stamford, Lincolnshire
(Wife Charlotte's full name was Christiana Charlotte, so
could potentially be listed thus in 1841)
Thank you for your kind assistance...
..... Steven.
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Did he remarry.
1841
HO 107/606/12 - Crowland, Lincs.
Sch. 31, Page 9
East Street
WILEMAN
Maurice - 25 - cabinet maker j.
Elizabeth - 25
Eliza - 5
Maurice - 1
Mary - 16
John - 10
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Thank you very much indeed, Suepip!
Your suggestion is quite correct!
I just checked FreeBMD and found this:
Death: WILEMAN Elizabeth, Stamford, 1st Quarter 1842, vol14 page395
He married Charlotte 2nd Quarter 1842.
So much for time to grieve! :)
Again, my sincere thanks...
..... Steven.
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Steven
I posted the request about Bridget Wileman.
She was the last member of my Corbett family, that I know of, to be born in Ireland. I found the Clare reference and am tracking her Wileman family to try and find out more about her.
I have her on the 1891 census and a reference to her death in 1897 in Liverpool..
I heard, from another Wileman family member, that she was killed in a fire (suicide) in Liverpool and William may have been killed in an accident in the port.
I have to research at a distance (Northumberland) and am about to order their death certificates.
I expect that their deaths would have been in the local paper, been subject to a Coroners Inquest and the would have been buried locally.
Can you help?
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Hello, Guplik.
I too am very interested in the origins and life of my great-great grandmother, Bridget Corbett.
She is a very elusive lady, as Irish records are few, and thus far she appears in none of them, therefore I know almost nothing of her.
I have created a list of all Wileman Births, Deaths and Marriages and Census details for Peterborough, Hull, Stamford and Liverpool, between 1841 - 1909 in order to chart their relationships over the period.
Margaret Wileman was registered born in 2nd Quarter of 1897 in Liverpool (8b 110), and Bridget registered as died in the 3rd Quarter of the same year.
As Bridget was in her 50's by then, I had wondered if she had died of complications after Margaret's birth, if indeed Bridget was Margaret's mother.
The fire information casts an entirely different light of possibilities, and is certainly worth investigating.
I have family in Liverpool, and shall ask them, if they have the time, to go examine the newspaper films for that period.
If not, I shall attempt to get there this summer and search them myself.
Please feel free to message me if you would like to have the list I made (though you've probably researched the Wileman's far more thoroughly than I, as I have only recently began my family tree research), and please, I would be very grateful indeed for any information in regards to Bridget and her line of the Corbett family.
One final note:
I found the following in an internet search, though I cannot verify its accuracy, though again, you probably already have this information...
Parents of Bridget Corbett-
Patrick Corbett (B:1828 D:12 May 1890) married Jane O'Connor (B:1832 D:21 Dec 1892) (or Connor?) about 1845-50.
Respectfully yours (however closely or distantly related we are, we are still relatives, and therefore are family :) )...
..... Steven.
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Steven
I can vouch for the authenticity. I posted it.
Patrick and Jane Corbett nee Connor came to Durham City and were recorded in the 1851 Census with their 1 year old daughter Bridget.
Their place of birth was recorded as "Ireland". It was a considerate enumerator who mentioned "Clare, Ireland" in the 1881 census when they were in Leeds.
Bridget had sisters Margaret, Mary, Jane and brothers Michael, John, James, Patrick and another Patrick. 9 siblings in total. Jane, my great grandmother was the 5th child, born in 1860. My grandfather was illegitimate and his mother kept secret the identity of the father.
Bridget, being the first born, may have family heirlooms, knowledge of her birthplace, photos etc.
I have 2 poor photos of my grandfather, when he was old ( he died in 1942 aged 45) and a copy of a family shot showing Margaret, Bridget's younger sister.
I have been in contact with a lady, her husband is descended from Williams 3rd marriage.
Her reply to me is worth sending to you, in full
"Before I go on I had better say that my husband is not a direct descendant of Bridget as William Wileman married more than once, but I can give you a few more details about her and William's children.
I have been researching my own family tree for years but it is only recently that I have tentatively started on my husband's line, and I am afraid that most of it has been discovered via the internet or family stories.
William Wileman was born in Hull but I think that he was a bit of a wheeler dealer and travelled around a lot.I don't know where he met Bridget, but they had a daughter,Susanna who was baptised at Portsmouth on29.11.1868 before getting married in Durham in the latter part on 1869!
They then had a son William in Birmingham c.1870, Charlotte in Manchester 1873, Robert back in Durham 1875 died in Liverpool 1884.Maurice in Sheffield 1878,John in Leeds 1881,( Probably more children between 1882-1889)Eliza c1890 in Liverpool. James c1894 Liverpool and Margaret c1896 Liverpool.
Once William and Bridget settled in Liverpool, William became a lodging House Keeper and Fly paper maker!
Bridget's death is registered in the September Quarter 1897 aged 49. I have not obtained her death certificate but have been told by my father in law that she must have had some sort of breakdown as the story goes that she set fire to herself in the street!I have no idea whether this is true or not and I keep on promising myself that I will get the certificate one day.
William didn't grieve too long for Bridget, as he married my husband's great grandmother, Sarah Ann Bryant nee O'Brien on 24.5.1898. She was from Pembroke and for some reason, went back to Wales to the Cardiff Union Workhouse to have my husband's grandfather,Ernest ,in1899.She was back in Liverpool by the 1901 census
.William died in 1902. Again, I haven't the certificate, but the family story is that he was returning to the docks from Ireland with a Blue Kerry Dog for Ernest. Unfortunately, the dog jumped into the water and William jumped in after him and was crushed by the boat. Again,I have no idea if that is true or not.
After his father's death, Ernest went back to Wales where my father in law was born. He moved to Portsmouth (Little knowing that his half aunt had been born there) and my husband was born and raised there."
I have requested Clare Heritage Centre to carry out some research for me and Liverpool Registry for Bridget and William's death certificates.
When I have this info I will inform you.
I am intrigued by your mention of family in Liverpool. My wife's ancestor sang in the Music Halls of Liverpool as the Liverpool Nightingale (Jane Gabriel) however we have not found any record of this.
I think that we have a lot of information to share and I have given you a lot to read.
Gordon
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Ah! Gordon! I had sent an email to an addresss you had used a few years ago on another family history forum, on the off-chance that you might still be around! :)
It could not, of course, be delivered :)
Thank you so much for your reply!
It is absolutely fascinating!
I smiled broadly at the mention of flypaper, as I remember as a child a family legend that my ancestor invented it!
So he made it, not invented it!
Ah, well... so much for family legend! ;D
Two more of Bridget's children were Jane, born Liverpool 1882 and a second Robert,born 1886.
Bridget's daughter Susannah was married to William Evans in Liverpool, 1885.
Charlotte, my grandmother, was born to them in Liverpool, 1896
If there is anything that I can do to help you, I shall be most happy to do so.
..... Steven.
PS: Please feel free to email me at Moderator Comment: email address removed to prevent spam and other abuses. Please use the secure personal message system to share email addresses and other personal material. Thank You
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Gordon, I have searched for Patrick and Jane with Bridget in the 1851 census, but cannot find them.
Will you please post the Folio/Page information so that I may add their census details to my files?
Also, if it is possible/convenient for you to do so, would you kindly scan the photographs you mention and email them to me?
Sincerely...
..... Steven.
PS: I hope to go to Liverpool Central Library in approximately two weeks time, to search the newspaper reels for death/funeral info and, if they go back far enough, for any mention of Jane Gabriel.
I saw her picture on the internet.
She appears to have been quite a personality!
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Steven
I have picked up your messages and will answer them individually, to minimise my confusion.
In the 1851 Census for Durham the family name is written as CUBIT
Durham City, St Nicholas parish, Enumeration District 4b, folio 65, Claypath.
I will send you a scanned image, it was one of the first copies I got, and it is of the 1851 census, so it is poor. I have gone over the name to clarify it.
Your aside about Jane Gabriel is intriguing, can you send me the link as we have not been able to source anything.
Gordon
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Jane is apparently part of the Greathead family tree.
Her picture and brief description (including that she was known as the Liverpool Nightingale) are to be found here:
http://www.greathead.org/Greathead-p/p152.htm
..... Steven.
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Steven
I know about the Greathead site.
Again it is all my stuff.
My wife's family provided the photos, information and we sent everything we had on Tunleys and Gabriels, to the person researching Greatheads, after contact was made, like us. I believe that sharing can generate results, however I thought that discretion and respect for the source would be used.
Unfortunately everything, including data on living people down to my children was published. This angered a lot of people.
Thanks anyway.
I hope your search in Liverpool brings to light something tangible.
Have a good weekend
Gordon
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Ah!
I'm sorry to see that happen.
It is always a risk, sadly.
I looked at the Cubit census page on Ancestry UK (it has a perfectly clear page).
Is there any other evidence to link them as 'our' Bridget's parents?
The reason I ask is that the name 'Cubit' and the fact that Patrick's wife is shown as 'Johana' rather than 'Jane' makes me instinctively cautious of the possibility that they could be someone else.
The Tilley dwelling below them has a Jane, written clearly, which leads me to believe that Johana is not merely a wrongly spelled name.
..... Steven.
BTW, Hotmail sometimes blocks certain files, so when/if you do email me with any, would you please quote the filename in the email text, so that I will know that you did in fact send something which I had not received?
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Steven
There are no Corbetts in Durham in the 1851 census although an English one does crop up later.
My photocopy/xerox is 20 years old.
Say the word "Cubit" and remember that the enumerator wrote down what he heard, and they were Irish, straight from Clare
Johana is an alternative to Jane (the Sunday Latin name). She used this and Jane through the Catholic Church censuses, the National Censuses and the Baptisms, marriages and funeral entries that I viewed.
I was concerned , like you, when I could not find Corbetts and glad when they turned up. You will note that they have living with them Derby O'Connor (Jane's surname is O'Connor or Connor depending on who has written it down) and Bridget Doherty. The baptismal entry for Michael Corbett reads "Born March 10 1852. baptised March 14 1852, Michael Corbett son of Patrick Corbett and Jayan nee O'Connor his wife. Michael O'Connor and Bridget Doherty are godparents.
Other O'Connors are nearbye, in Framwellgate and they show in the Church registers
Patrick's occupation is constant in everything - shoemaker.
Subsequent censuses confirm the details. By the way they are down as "Cobbet" in the 1854 Census of Roman Catholics and a Jeremiah Connor is with them.
Anyway, I, and another cousin working independently are satisfied and there is no alternative.
You will find with family history reseach that, as you go back in time the population decreases, the quality and quantity of the data decreases, the level of literacy decreases and the social standing becomes marked. So when a middle class, educated, litterate priest or census enumerator asks a question of a poor Irish country man barely living in a strange industrial town the answer will be documented on their perception of what they have heard and a desire to move on. Remember also that at the time there was racial discrimination against the Irish.
A point worth mentioning is that I, after 140 years, would have been the person checking the entry for accuracy.
I have found that in nearly every case a Corbett in Durham is a relative of mine.
I bet you wished that you had not asked.
Gordon
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Thank you for the clarification, Gordon.
I'm quite content now that we do indeed have 'our' Bridget.
I shall add Patrick and Jane to my Family Tree Maker 2006 file immediately!
And no, I'm not sorry that I asked :)
..... Steven.