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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: jackslade on Monday 11 October 04 12:10 BST (UK)
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Can some one please asssit me in locating the Electoral Role for Cwmcarvan Court, Cwmcarvan, Trelleck, Mon., for 1912-13. My father Jack Henry Slade Bn 1912 at Cwmcarvan Court. His father George Slade Mother Rose Alice Slade listed on Birth Cert as Butler Domestic. I am trying to find out the name of the house owner. It was sold by Auction in 1910.
I have tried Gwent Records Office, Newport Records, Monmouth Museum and Monmouth Library no one has any idea where these records are.
Jack Slade
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At first hand I though perhaps these Voters lists would be held in Cardiff Reference Library, it is still worth checking that just incase http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/leisure/libwb2k2/pages/el_cntrl.htm but I am not 100% about that .
Here is the Familia site which you may find of use, going by information from this site: http://www.familia.org.uk/services/wales/monmouthshire.html there do not seem to be any Electoral Roll registers available.
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Thank you for your reply, I have tried Cardiff Reference Library but they do not hold the information I require. They have suggested Glamorgan Records Office, I am waiting for a reply. It would appear that the Electoral Role for Cwmcarvan in 1912-23 has been lost.
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As far as I am aware the Electoral Rolls for the whole county are held at the Reference Library, John Frost square, Newport. I don't think there were any for the years 1914-1918 because that was WW1 but I am pretty sure they have the rest, because I have used them.
Ann
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I finally tracked down the records to Library of Wales, in Aberystwyth. But there is no listing for Cwmcarven Court. was it empty or were they to posh to register. Someone was there in October 1912 as my father was born at this address. we will probably never know.................Unless someone out there knows.
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You say that Cwmcarvan Court was sold at Auction in 1910 so you have some information. Can I ask how you know this? because there might be something in the record office about the sale. If the Auctioneers are still in existence and most of the local firms are still going in one form or another, then it might be possible to find out that way. I am surprised that the 1912-13 electoral rolls are not in newport Reference Library, I thought they had them all, so I have learnt something too.
Ann :)
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A few years ago I visited the house in question, it is or was owned by a German family. I was very cheeky and knocked on the door. They probably thought I was casing the joint, but I did take my fathers birth certificate. The person who I spoke to was not the owner, but a friend showed me a old catalogue of the auction sale in a pub(did not note its name) Monmouth in 1910. Since then due to the problem of locating records I have written a 3 or 4 letters requesting any futher info, but alas with no reply.
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I have been to the reference library in John Frost Square and according to the Electoral Roll for 1911 and 1912 the only person eligible to vote using Cwmcarvan Court as the property is as follows
Surname, forename/s, title if any, address, Qualifying property
MOCK, Stephen Saunders, Colonel, 2Gwydr Crescent Swansea, Share of house and freehold land Cwmcarvan Court Estate.
There was no other mention of Cwmcarvan Court Estate at all so it would seem that whoever had the other share/s in the house was either not eligible because they were female or they had not botheres to register their right to vote in that district. perhaps they had property in other places and just forgot.
Ann
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Thank you very much for that, this is the reply I got from the library.
Thank you for your enquiry dated 10th November 2004,regarding electoral
registers relating to the parish of Cwmcarvan for the years 1912 to 1913.
I regret, that after searching through the electoral register's for the
above years,
I was unable to trace any reference to a Cwmcarvan Court or a reference
to the
surname Slade.
If we can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.
Do you have any other suggestions as to where I go from here.
Again thank you very much
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Do you have the marriage certificate for George SLADE and Rose Alice?
It would be worth getting it just to see where they were married. It could be that the person that George was a butler for did not live at Cwmcarvan Court full time but had other property in other places - perhaps a town house in London or something.
I didn't expect to find George SLADE on the electoral rools because he probably would not have qualified to vote at that time because he did not own property or pay tenpounds or more per year in rent for property and those were two of the qualifications.
I was disappointed that Cwmcarvan Court was not mentioned as a property for someone to vote, apart from the Colonel, I have a friend who is interested in the local history of that area - he lives in trellech - I will ask him what he knows about Cwmcarvan Court.
Ann
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Yes I have the marrige cert for George and Rose Alice, they were wed April 6th 1912 in Southampton, 6 months later my father was born. They said our generation had all the fun. George( I have his RM papers) left the Royal Marines Light Infantry after 12 years service. His discharge papers state Cwmcarvan Court 27th August 1912. Rose Alice was in Service at the Royal Navel collage in Portsmouth.
Hope this helps
Again Ann thank you for your help.
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Jack
I have discovered that the auction of this property was at the Beaufort Arms Hotel Monmouth on 15th September 1909. All you need now is someone with access to the local newspapers or record office to look up just after that date to find out who bought the place ;D
Hope someone does for you.
Carol
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The films of the South Wales Argus and the Monmouthshire Beacon are in theRef. Library so I'll try and get there this week - now I've said that it will probably mean that every day something will conspire to prevent me getting there so no promises ok?
Ann
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Dear Mr Slade,
I believe that the owner of Cwmcarvan Court was Mr William Parkyn Jeffcock. I have a document dated by him in 1918. He was my Great Uncle (ie my Great grandfather's brother). I know he died childless, and supposedly left his estate to the groom. I am actually trying to find out what happened to him.
best regards,
William Jeffcock
Can some one please asssit me in locating the Electoral Role for Cwmcarvan Court, Cwmcarvan, Trelleck, Mon., for 1912-13. My father Jack Henry Slade Bn 1912 at Cwmcarvan Court. His father George Slade Mother Rose Alice Slade listed on Birth Cert as Butler Domestic. I am trying to find out the name of the house owner. It was sold by Auction in 1910.
I have tried Gwent Records Office, Newport Records, Monmouth Museum and Monmouth Library no one has any idea where these records are.
Jack Slade
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Hello William
I have just returned from my short holiday in Wales.Whilst there I went to the Gwent record office and the Nelson Museum in Monmouth.
From the electoral rolls of Cwmcarvan Court 1912-19 I discovered who did indeed buy part of the property and also that William Parkyn JEFFCOCK didn't in fact move there till 1918.
I have passed the info on to Jack that a Henry Edward WALTERS RN was the buyer of the house and some of the surrounding lodges and cottages.
This of course links in nicely with Jack's grandfather being in the Royal Marines.
Hopefully we can move on now we have that query solved. ;D
Regards,
Carol
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Dear Carol,
Thanks very much for the information. The Jigsaw is slowly building.
Best regards,
William. :)
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Hello Jack
I thought you might be interested to know that we have just had a lovely weekend break at Cwmcarvan Court lodge. The owners have given me permission to give you their email address should you wish to contact them.
Good luck
Reagrds
Josephine
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Jack hasn't been on Rootschat since last October,but I have emailed him your reply Josephine and I hope he'll get in touch with you.
Welcome to Rootschat,you may find that the moderators renove your email address as they do not advise that we show them due to spamming etc.
I've passed it on to Jack though ;D
Regards
Carol
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Thank you for the information, I will contact Beatrice to see if she can assist me with my family tree.