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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Manchester Rambler on Tuesday 04 April 06 12:57 BST (UK)
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Struggling to find a definite birth record for my gg-grandfather William Gosling, I've run across an interesting coincidence, and wonder if anyone can help me out...
William GOSLING is recorded on all censuses as born c1826, Macclesfield.
IGI has an extracted record for the baptism of "William GOSLING or ROWLAND" at Bosley on 26 Feb 1826 - mother Anne GOSLING. (No other Gosling or Rowland births with same batch number - Bosley isn't far from Macclesfield if you want to baptise an illegitimate child!)
On the 1841 census, my William (aged 15) is living in Hazel Grove, in the same household as William and Hannah BRADLEY and their 1 yr-old child. Hannah is 35 years old.
A William BRADLEY m. Sarah Ann ROWLAND at St Mary, Stockport in 1840. (Cheshire BMD)
Am I reading too much into this? Before I shell out for the Bradley/Rowland marriage cert on the off-chance, does anyone have access to Bosley PRs to see if the original baptismal entry has any more detail than the IGI?
Would appreciate your thoughts on this one - is Sarah Ann/Anne/Hannah the same person? ??? ???
Rambler
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Hi Rambler,
I can't help with the birth certificate but I can look up the marriage. If you can wait until the weekend I can have a look at the entry at Stockport library and let you know the details.
Regards,
Pat.
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Hi Pat,
That's really kind of you, and would be much appreciated!
Rambler
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Hi MR
You can email the Cheshire RO with the birth details, as you have a name date and place they are unlikely to charge anything for checking it out, there is a link at the bottom of this post.
good luck
peterbennett
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Thanks Peter - I didn't know that, and will give it a try.
Rambler
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Hi Rambler,
Here are the marriage details,
William Bradley, bachelor, of full age, occupation labourer, residence at time of marriage Dukinfield,
Father's name Peter Bradley, occupation Farmer.
Married at St Mary's Parish Church Stockport on the 21st September 1840, Page 135, Entry No 269. to
Sarah Ann Rowland, of full age, spinster, residence at time of marriage Dukinfield, Father's name John Rowland, occupation Farmer.
Witnesses, William Higinbotham [or could be Heginbotham] and James Wild
Curate, E Hawells.
I don't think it fits in with anything that you are looking for but you can at least discount it now.
Regards,
Pat.
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Thanks a lot Pat - looks as if that one's out of the window, then. Blast!
Back to the drawing board.... ???
Rambler
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Just checked 1841 Census
Rowlands Buildings, Dukinfield, Cheshire
William Bradley Journeyman Grocer
Sarah A
No others in household
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Further checking reveals that in the 1841 Census next door to William and Sarah A in Rowlands Buildings is one John Rowland (Brickmaker) 65 and Sarah 60
William Bradleys father Peter was definitely a Farmer, but was Sarahs ?????
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Hi, Picked up on your posts while researching my mother's family from Warrington. My great grandfather is Alfred Sidney Gosling b.1881. This father is John Gosling b.1851 to William and Alice Gosling. William Gosling born was b.1826 and married Alice Johnson in 1846. Seems we're researching the same roots. The 1841 census has William Gosling as a 15 year old at Crompton Road Prestbury. Mother and father are shown as George and Hannah Gosling. Research ongoing......Cheers
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Hi,
I notice in the 1841 census William is shown as a Silk Weaver - Macclesfield was a centre for this particular trade. He is living in Handforth-cum-Bosden area, and I wondered if it was also him in 1851 in the same area married to Alice with children Emma, Jane and John?
His occupation ties in and if it is him then I think he was married in 1846 to Alice Johnson
There are 4 possible birth/baptism for Macclesfield on Cheshire Parish Register Project (parish identified as MAML) -
2nd March 1828 - William son of Thomas and Harriott of Hurdsfield (Fathers occupation Silkman)
18th May 1828 - William son of Richard and Grace of Macclesfield (Fathers occupation Silkman)
5th February 1823 William son of James and Hannah of Macclesfield (Fathers occupation Weaver)
25th August 1822 William son of Josh and Ann of Macclesfield (Fathers occupation Weaver)
Perhaps the 1846 marriage certificate would help?
Alan
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Hi, Thanks for the info. Appears we're looking at the same William Gosling on the 1851 census. Married to Alice with children named Emma, Jane and John Gosling. Living with Alice Johnson's parents. I'm hoping the marriage cert provides a father's name. I was thinking his parents were George and Hannah on the 1841 census both Silk Weaver's. William age 15 along with his siblings were working as silk piecers or loom turners on 1841 census. Address Crompton Road. But that's a best assumption and I could have the wrong William on the 1841 census. As you say the marriage cert is needed and I'll drop a comment when received. All the best
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I’ve received the 1846 marriage cert for William Gosling and Alice Johnson but unfortunately no parents are named. Seems odd as William and Alice Gosling (nee Johnson) were living with Alice’s parents ( Thomas and Alice Johnson ) on the 1851 census at Chapel Street, Handforth Cum Bosden. Not sure why they weren’t mentioned on the marriage cert.
So, back to William. I’m more or less certain from all the census records he was born in 1826 +/- 1 year in Macclesfield . That leaves two records to my knowledge at this point:
1841 - Crompton Road Prestbury / William Gosling age 15 loom ???? turner / parents George and Hannah
1841 – Duke Street Prestbury / William Gosling age 15 Silk Piecer / parents Mary and Moses
Thanks Alan for the list of birth/baptisms from the Macclesfield area much appreciated as the search goes on. :) All the best
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As yet, I've not read all of this thread and neither have I researched this part of the Gosling family but Alice's father, Thomas Johnson, and his wife, Alice [probably] Marsland, were my 5xG-Grandfather and 5xG-Grandmother.
I'll do some digging when I get chance.
R
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Hi,
It's very disappointing that the marriage certificate doesn't help.
Thinking about the family from Crompton Road (George/Hannah) the GRO gives the mothers maiden name as Bullock for the later births (post 1837) of two children (Matthew and Mary Anne).
Not immediately finding anything more about a Hannah Bullock except two baptisms at Gawsworth, Macclesfield in 1795 - parents William/Margaret Bullock OR Thos/Anne Bullock.
Strangely the 1851 census shows the parents as James/Hannah (Not George!! Also the daughter Ann has married (1846 Macclesfield ) to John Ridgway - I wonder if her marriage certificate shows the parents names?
Alan
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As yet, I've not read all of this thread and neither have I researched this part of the Gosling family but Alice's father, Thomas Johnson, and his wife, Alice [probably] Marsland, were my 5xG-Grandfather and 5xG-Grandmother.
I'll do some digging when I get chance.
Ok, I've just turned over the soil! Bearing in mind I'm coming at this entirely from William Gosling's wife, Alice Johnson, could somebody confirm that I'm on the right track please?
I'm happy to work out the details but am I correct in thinking that, between 1851 and 1861, William gave up his career as a silk weaver, became a police constable and moved deeper into rural Cheshire?
If I'm correct, his son John was also a police officer.
Thanks
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Hi, William Gosling did indeed move to "rural Cheshire" with his wife Alice and became a beer seller. Alice continue the business in Broom Edge for a number of years after William's death. Their son John Gosling (by coincidence also married an Alice) was a Police Officer at Wharton before he moved the family to Stockton Heath, Warrington where they added a son to the family my G grandfather.
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Alan, Thank you for the additional info. Much appreciated. Lots of head scratching at the moment and I'll run through everything at the weekend.
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Hi, William Gosling did indeed move to "rural Cheshire" with his wife Alice and became a beer seller. Alice continue the business in Broom Edge for a number of years after William's death. Their son John Gosling (by coincidence also married an Alice) was a Police Officer at Wharton before he moved the family to Stockton Heath, Warrington where they added a son to the family my G grandfather.
So we’re [remotely] related then! Thanks for the info, at least I know I’m on the right track.
Intresting to know that William lived on Chapel Street in 1851. I used to live just round the corner on Wesley Street!
EDIT - whilst William may have become a "beer seller" in later years [I've yet to research this] in 1861 he and the family were living at High Legh (just south of Lymm) and he was a Police Constable.
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Sorry I'm a bit behindhand replying here: I believe (but can't prove) that Alice Johnson was the illegitimate daughter of her older "sister" Elizabeth (look at the age gap), which explans the absence of a father's name on her marriage cert. There's a very iffy baptism for Alice, daughter of Thomas Johnson (weaver, of Bosden) and Elizabeth at St Mary, Cheadle on 1 October 1826 - possibly a combination of her mother and grandfather's names. (I can't find any other Alice Johnson who matches this birth date.)
William Gosling was possibly the illegitimate son of Anne Gosling, baptised as William Rowland Gosling in Bosley on 26 Feb 1825 - that's the best match I've found so far. :/ On the 1841 census he's a 15 yr old silk weaver lodging in Bosden, which isn't a lot of help.
Most of what I know is summarised on my website: https://www.angloswiss.site/gosling
Rambler
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Sorry I'm a bit behindhand replying here: I believe (but can't prove) that Alice Johnson was the illegitimate daughter of her older "sister" Elizabeth (look at the age gap), which explans the absence of a father's name on her marriage cert. There's a very iffy baptism for Alice, daughter of Thomas Johnson (weaver, of Bosden) and Elizabeth at St Mary, Cheadle on 1 October 1826 - possibly a combination of her mother and grandfather's names. (I can't find any other Alice Johnson who matches this birth date.)
William Gosling was possibly the illegitimate son of Anne Gosling, baptised as William Rowland Gosling in Bosley on 26 Feb 1825 - that's the best match I've found so far. :/ On the 1841 census he's a 15 yr old silk weaver lodging in Bosden, which isn't a lot of help.
Most of what I know is summarised on my website: https://www.angloswiss.site/gosling
Rambler
Excellent website Rambler and a couple of interesting theories - it hadn't struck me about Alice but it's part of my tree I haven't done that much work on recently. Alice's sister Elizabeth was my GGGG Grandmother so I suppose I should give it some serious thought.
Elizabeth's father was also "Thomas Johnson a weaver from Bosden [1841-61 Chapel Street]".
Ray
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Thank you Manchester Rambler. That is a fantastic website/piece of research and has provided me with lots of clarification, some fascinating facts and lots to study this weekend! My mother is going to be over the moon with this additional info as the Goslings are by far her favourite part of my own family research. My mother is the only daughter of Elsie Grace Gosling and Samuel Alfred Leech. Her grandparent being Alfred Sidney Gosling. All the best for the weekend MBP
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Hi Ray T,
Apologies it's been some time but I'd like to thank you for this bit of info " Interesting to know that William lived on Chapel Street in 1851. I used to live just round the corner on Wesley Street!"
This helped me confirm where Chapel Street was as I've been collating location pictures/maps recently.
It was my attention to visit some of the Gosling locations when I return to the UK but unfortunately due to current travel restrictions I haven't been able to get back for 2 years.
Anyhow it's been good to re-visit the research over the last few days and continue to puzzle about the known facts and theories. All the best. MBP
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You’re welcome. Anything else, don’t be affraid to ask.
Ray (currently in Scotland)
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Thanks Ray, much appreciated. Noted you're in Scotland which reminded me of another mystery when my DNA revealed I'm 3.6% Scottish, Aberdeenshire! :)
All the best
MBP (Hong Kong)
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We’re only here on holiday - driving home tomorrow!
I’ve yet to discover any Scottish ancestry. My main line goes back to the 18C and didn’t move more than a mile or so of Chapel Street.
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Ah I see...thanks Ray and have a safe drive! You've got solid Cheshire roots then. I guess as this thread confirms I can go no further back with the Gosling line for now. It starts with William and Alice and for me ends in Anglesey. I haven't found any Scottish ancestry either but I'm sure it's on my mother's side Gosling/Leech as my late father's family goes back generations in one Anglesey parish.
All the best.
MBP