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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: denyse on Saturday 31 January 04 20:19 GMT (UK)
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My interests around Dudley are:
GILL, HANCOX, BUSBY/BISBY, STEVENTON, GRAINGER, HAMPTON, HEATHCOCK, PARKES, BODILY, ELLIS, TROMAN
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Hello Denyse
Re. Ellis surname Dudley area.My maiden name is
Ellis and have found my 2xgg grandmother in the 1841
1851--1861--1881--1891--1901census for Dudley. perhaps I could be of some help.
Jacqueline.
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Hi Jacqueline,
I only have one ELLIS so far & she's my 11 x great-grandmother born around 1584.
Name: Thomas Hampton
Birth: abt 1584, of Dudley
Marriage: 8 May 1610
Spouse: Elizabeth Ellis
Birth: abt 1588
Children:
1: Thomas Hampton
Christen: 30 Dec 1610, St Edmonde's, Dudley
Spouse: Ann
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2: Katherin Hampton
Christen: 1 Jun 1617, St Edmonde's, Dudley
Spouse: John Wright
Marriage: 18 Nov 1640
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3: An Hampton
Christen: 10 Apr 1619, St Edmonde's, Dudley
Death: Aug 1619
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4: Samuel Hampton
Christen: 17 Jun 1620, St Edmonde's, Dudley
Spouse 1: Elizabeth
Spouse 2: Ann
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5: John Hampton (My 10 x gt-grandfather)
Christen: 20 Oct 1626, St Edmonde's, Dudley
Spouse: Mary (My 10 x gt-grandmother)
Marriage: 1647
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Regards,
Denyse
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Greetings
Do you have an Isabella TROMAN who married Jeremiah BILLINGHAM?
Paulie
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Hi Paulie,
I don't have Jeremiah but I do have BILLINGHAMs. They're distantly related to my husband because Mary GILL was a sister of my husband's 2 x gt-grandfather.
Name:John Billingham
Birth:abt 1823Dudley Wood, near Cradley Heath
Occupation:Chainmaker
Marriage: 22 Mar 1841St Thomas C of E, Dudley
Spouse:Mary Gill
Birth:abt 1823Netherton
Christen: 8 Jun 1823St Thomas, Dudley
Father:Daniel Gill (1800->1861)
Mother:Sylvia "Selvy" Hampton (1799->1871)
Children:
1:Benjamin Billingham
Birth:abt 1843Rowley Regis
Spouse:Elizabeth Roberts
Marriage: 17 Sep 1866St Thomas C of E, Dudley
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2:James Billingham
Birth:abt 1845Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Spouse:Sarah Matthews
Marriage: 25 Dec 1872St Thomas C of E, Dudley
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3:Joseph Billingham
Birth:abt 1846Rowley Regis
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4:Henry Billingham
Birth:23 Dec 1850Tibbets Gardens, Rowley Regis
Death:15 Jun 1940
Occupation:chainmaker
Spouse:Ruth Yarnold
Marriage: 28 May 1872St Thomas C of E, Dudley
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5:Sylvia Billingham
Birth:abt 1853Rowley Regis
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6:Selena Billingham
Birth:abt 1855Rowley Regis
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7:Alfred Billingham
Birth:abt 1858Rowley Regis
Occupation:Chainmaker
Spouse:Polly
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8:Mary Ann Billingham
Birth:abt 1862Rowley Regis
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9:John Billingham
Birth:abt 1864Rowley Regis
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Hello once again Denyse
From what you tell me John would most probably be Benjamin's brother. Benjamin and two of his sons were brewers in Rowley Regis and I know Alice who was the youngest daughter of Jeremiah BILLINGHAM and Isabella TROMANS went and lived in Netherton after she was married. Her husband James LOCKWOOD was the son of Sarah Ann BILLINGHAM and Edward LOCKWOOD. Their common ancestor being John BILLINGHAM and Phebe TIBBETS. Have you seen the sight for BILLINGHAN'S of Cradley Heath?
Regards
Paulie
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HI there
I have Elizabeth grainger b 1826 married Samuel Payne.1846
Father James Grainger. I think his wife was Hannah Grainger but not certain.
All born Dudley area,
Are these names on your tree??
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Hi Denyse
I'm trying to find the roots of a Matthew Hancox - I have his birth certificate and he was born 17 June 1887 at 9 Dunn Street, Dudley registered in Dudley the son of Matthew Hancox, plate layer and his wife Elizabeth formerly Moore.
We know that they had an elder son James bc 1885 Hednesford and a daughter called Selina who was born 13 Jan 1891 in Dudley Union Workhouse - her father Matthew is entered as deceased occ plate layer and her mother was again given as Elizabeth formerly Moore (of Dudley) on her birth certificate. The father Matthew must have died in 1890 although I have been unable to find a death for him anywhere. Nor can I find a marriage for him and Elizabeth Moore which would give me his father's name and I cannot find a Matthew Hancox on the 1881 census.
James was living with his mother in 1901 at 3 Court House, Tower Street, Dudley - she had remarried to an Edward Green on 25 Dec 1898 in the parish church of Netherton, Dudley and her father's name was given as Stephen Moore. Matthew junior was living in an Industrial school in Dudley but there is no sign of Selina on the 1901 census.
Matthew and his older brother James had a fight one day which involved a knife and Matthew lost an eye as a result. This was probably why he ended up in an Industrial school because his widowed mother and/or new step father couldn't cope with him fighting with James. Matthew ran away from his school and walked along the railway lines to Wales. He was a carter and worked at Llandovery College for some years and then became the groundsman at Glanbrydan House - working for the Richardson family and later Canon Walker-Thomas. He married Elinor Bryant who was born in Fulham. My husband is Elinor and Matthew's grandson.
Look as I might, I cannot find any of either Matthew seniors family nor his wife Elizabeth Moore - the 1901 census gives her place of birth as Ashby-de-la-Zouch but I can find no evidence of her or her father Stephen Moore on the relevant censuses. Do you, by any chance, have this Matthew Hancox in your tree?
Regards
carol510898
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hi Denyse
looking thru mypaperwork, i think i have just found a Troman in it !
HARRIET WHETTON born 1827 Leicestershire, (living with her cousin William F whetton and his family in 1851, states Snalestone
married 1854, WILLIAM TROMAN, born 1823 Rowley Regis.
have not put these names ont o my tree as yet as i had no other detils for Harriet. And my direct line was down her cousins wifes side ( but you know how get carried away with all this ! LOL)
please let me know if you think there could be a link
best wishes joanne
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Hello Denyse
I have quite a few Hamptons, Parkes, Gills, Hancocks/Hancox, and Graingers:
Family Group Record for Ann Gill
Wife: Ann Gill
Birth 1800 Dudley, Worcestershire
Death aft 1861
Husband: James Hampton
Birth 1791
Marr. 5 Jun 1814 St Thomas: Ann Gill
Father: James Hampton Mother: Mary Heathcock
1. Betsey Hampton
Birth 30 Dec 1815
2. Elijah Hampton
Birth 1817
3. James Hampton
Birth 30 Dec 1819
4. Thomas Hampton
Birth 6 Jan 1822
5. Esther Hampton
Birth 1824 Rowley Regis or Netherton
Marr. 13 Aug 1883 Bromsgrove Parish Church: James Attwood
Death Mar 1885
6. Mary Hampton
Birth 1828 Dudley, Worcestershire
Marr. 9 Feb 1851 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire: Abraham Sidaway
Death aft 1881
7. Ann Hampton
Birth 1831 Dudley, Worcestershire
Death aft 1851
8. Sylvia Hampton
Birth 1834 Dudley, Worcestershire
Death aft 1851
9. John Hampton
Birth 11 Oct 1835 Dudley, Worcestershire
Death aft 1861
10. Joseph Gill Hampton
Birth 1839 Kingswinford
Death aft 1861
11. Elizabeth Hampton
Birth 1845 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Death aft 1851
GRO for death: Dd 6c 18 age 58
Marriage notes for Esther Hampton & James Attwood:
13.8.1883 Bromsgrove Parish Church
James Attwood 50 B waggoner Dodford Joseph (dec) labourer
Esther Hampton 49 S nailer '' James (dec) collier
banns witness James & Mary Male
only James Attwood signed
Family Group Record for William Hancocks
Husband: William Hancocks/Hancox
Birth 1722
Death 1777
Wife: Hannah Grainger
Birth 1721
Marr. William Hancocks
Death 1790
1. Sylvia Hancocks
Birth 1749
Marr. 7 Jun 1767 St Thomas, Dudley: James Hampton
Death 1818
Family Group Record for James Hampton
Husband: James Hampton
Birth 1745
Death 1818
Father: James Hampton Mother: Ann Parkes
Wife: Sylvia Hancocks
Birth 1749
Marr. 7 Jun 1767 St Thomas, Dudley: James Hampton
Death 1818
Father: William Hancocks Mother: Hannah Grainger
1. James Hampton
Birth 1770
Marr. 19 Dec 1790 Pedmore: Mary Heathcock
Death 1818
Burial 6 Oct 1818 St Thomas
2. Herbert Hampton
Birth 1772
3. Ann Hampton
Birth 1773
4. Sylvia Hampton
Birth 1775
Death 1776
Burial 31 Jul 1776
5. Sylvia Hampton
Birth 1777
6. Esther Hampton
Birth 16 May 1779 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Marr. 12 Dec 1796 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England: William Round
7. Phillis Hampton
Birth 1780
8. Daniel Hampton
Birth 1785
9. Mary Hampton
Birth 1785
Birth 1787
10. Jabez Hampton
Birth 1833
Sources for James Hampton:
Name:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R). (Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of February 23, 2006), NAME Family History Library, ADDR 35 N West Temple Street, CONT Salt Lake City, Utah 84150
USA.
Sources for Esther Hampton:
Name:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R). (Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of February 23, 2006), Film #: 456350, NAME Family History Library, ADDR 35 N West Temple Street, CONT Salt Lake City,
Utah 84150 USA.
Family Group Record for Mary Heathcock
Wife: Mary Heathcock
Husband: James Hampton
Birth 1770
Marr. 19 Dec 1790 Pedmore Mary Heathcock
Death 1818
Burial 6 Oct 1818 St Thomas
Father: James Hampton Mother: Sylvia Hancocks
1. James Hampton
Birth 1791
Marr. 5 Jun 1814 St Thomas Ann Gill
2. Susannah Hampton
Birth 1793
3. Joseph Hampton
Birth 1795
4. Herbert Hampton
Birth 1797
5. Sylvia Hampton
Birth 1799 Dudley, Worcestershire
Death aft 1871
6. David Hampton
Birth 1801
7. Elijah Hampton
Birth 1803 Dudley, Worcestershire
8. Enoch Hampton
Birth 1804
9. Mary Hampton
Birth 1806
10. Joseph Hampton
Birth 1808
11. Benjamin Hampton
Birth 1809
12. Tamar Hampton
Birth 1815 Dudley, Worcestershire
13. Eli Hampton
Birth 1818
There's more ...
David
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i have an emily ellis who married joseph beddows he was my uncle
other names i have are
hewitt/jones/loveridge/bunce/jones/rodds
angie x
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Any Attwoods anyone?
Trying to prove a link to the Dudley Suttons (yes, them at the castle) and my Richard Attwood married Eleanor 'Sutton or Dudley' in 1647 according the IGI PRs.
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Try looking at
http://www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
There's more than a few Attwoods there!! And Hamptons, too.
I would be extremely cautious of the IGI tree for Richard Attwood unless you can independently verify its authenticity.
There was a report in the Black Country Bugle a few weeks ago claiming that all Black County Attwoods are related. However, proving it is another matter entirely. I've been trying to track down my wife's Attwood ancestors, but trying to sort out them all out when family sizes were typically 11 or 12 children with no census data to go on, and parent's names not recorded on marriage register entries is a real nightmare. That's assuming they got married. If they were chainmakers in Cradley, they're just a likely to have "jumped over the broom" :o
David
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My Attwoods moved out of Dudley in 1730's and brought up their children in the Wellington area of Shropshire. Luckily there weren't too many Attwood's around in Dudley at that time so it has been fairly easy to trace them back using PRs.
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I'm interested in Steventons around the Dudley area (and Smiths - sigh - in the same area)
I have George STEVENTON (c. 1795/6 - 24/4/1869) m Ann SHAW (c. 1795/6-13/4/1868) on 24/5/1818 in Old Swinford. According to the 1841, 51 and 61 censuses, both were born in Dudley.
There was a family tradition down the Steventon-Smith line, still strongly asserted in the 1940s, that an ancestor was Lifesguardsman Shaw who fought at the Battle of Waterloo. Clearly the connection would be Ann Shaw, but what the connection is (if there is one) is unknown.
In the 1841 census (HO107; Dudley;Worcestershire; ED 34; Page: 10; ) George and Ann Steventon are living next door to a Joel Steventon and his family. Looking at the ages of George and Joel, I would guess they're brothers. Both called some of their children biblical (?) names (Noah, Gideon, Nimrod, Dorcas, Zillah) and others more "normal" names.
From the census returns I know that George and Ann Steventon had the following children:
- Ephraim (b. 1/4/1819, d. of typhus fever 5/1/1845 in Derby End, Dudley)
- Sarah (b. 10/3/1822 married Benjamin Johnson 1844 but not traced beyond that)
- Elizabeth (b. 11/12/1824, married Jesse Homer 2 Dec 1844 at Dudley)
- Beriah (b. 12/6/1828, and so far untraced beyond her baptism)
[li]Jemima (b. 5/3/1831 and so far untraced later than the 1841 census) - Dorcas (b. 22/1/1834, married George LONGSTAFF 8/6/1856 at Dudley & moved to Barrow-in-Furness mid 1880s, where she died 8/10/1889
- Nimrod (b.31/3/1836, d. 10/1/1858 in a lift shaft accident at the British Iron Company's Works in Rowley Regis
- Zillah, aka Priscilla, b. 25/11/1838 in Derby End, married Henry SMITH 9/6/1856 at Netherton Parish Church, like Dorcas & her family, Priscilla and her family moved to Barrow-in-Furness, but earlier - they were there by the 1871 census. They then moved to Blackpool between 1874 and 1876. She died 28 Apr 1893 (or 1892 if you believe her gravestone over the death certificate!).
Priscilla/Zillah (both her first name and her family name are slightly different every time it appears, until she marries Henry Smith - clearly clerks knew how to spell Smith) is my ancestor and link to George and Ann.
Priscilla's husband, Henry SMITH, was born in Derby End/Derby Hand, Netherton, Dudley c. 1837. He died in Blackpool, Lancs on 5th Jan 1903. At his marriage to Priscilla in 1856 and still at the time of the 1861 census he was a miner. After a period as a labourer, he became a fish and oyster dealer in Blackpool, a trade at least one of his descendants, Charlie SMITH, was still carrying out in RHO Hills department store in Blackpool in the 1950s.
On the 1841 and 1851 censuses Henry SMITH (1837-1903) is in Dudley. On the 1861 census he and his family are living in Bourn Brook, Rowley Regis. Between the birth of Emily in 1867 and the the birth of JJoseph in 1869, the family had moved up to Barrow-in-Furness. And then between the 1875 and 1876 the family moved to Blackpool, where a number of descendants still live.
Henry & Priscilla had 14 children:
+ Ann Maria (b. 20/4/1857 Rowley Regis, m. Joseph SMITH 12/7/1875 in Barrow)
+ Elizabeth (b. 12/10/1859, Old Hill, Staffs; d. unmarried 29/5/1874, Barrow)
+ Henry (b. 2/7/1862, Old Hill, Staffs; married Annie GALL, 12/3/1888 in Blackpool, 10 weeks before their 1st child was born! He died 14/12/1920 in Blackpool)
+ Jemima (b. 29/11/1864, Barrow in Furness, m. Thomas BILSBORROW or BILSBOROUGH from Preston 20/1/1885 in Blackpool, d. 23/2/1907)
+ Emily or Emmeline (b. 24/4/1867 in Dudley, m. Henry Thomas STEVENSON from Hulme, Manchester 16/11/1889. She died 27/4/1956 at Wesham hospital)
+ Joseph (b. 9/11/1869, d. 21/12/1870)
+ George Smith (b. 11/11/1871 in Dalton-in-Furness), m. Edith Louise PARK 16/8/1893 in Blackpool)
+ William Smith (b. 27/9/1873 in Barrow-in-Furness), m. Gertrude Mary MARTIN 8/12/1894 in Oldham, Lancs. He died 19/1/1948.)
+ Ephraim (born and died 8/5/1875)
+ Ann (b. 9/4/1876 in Blackpool, m. Mark BLACKBURN 17/9/1902 in Blackpool)
+ John (Jack) (b. 22/5/1878 in Blackpool, m. Florence Campbell 12/9/1898 in Blackpool; dided 27/1/1935)
+ Septimus (b. 14/8/1879 in Blackpool, d. 16/12/1958 in Blackpool, where he was a well known local "character")
+ Isaac (29/5/1881-9/2/1882)
+ Manasseh (11/7/1882-12/7/1882)
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Helo everyone I have a couple of the names mentioned here would be glad to have any information one any of the following
Sarah STEVENTON m Joseph CHAMBERS 1 May 1789 B'ham St Martin
Henry HANCOCK m Ann MOULE 31 Jan 1869 Ombersley Worc
Elijah BILLINGHAM son of James m Charlotte HOLLIOAKE 21 Oct 1839 Handsworth Sttfs 6 children Elijah James, Maria, George, Henry, Mary Ann, Joseph
James GRAINGER abt 1869 Dudley
Two families of PARKES Susannah m Abraham HOLLIOAKE27 Aug 1818 Aston
and Thomas Parkes m Susannah MOULE 1810 Hallow Worc and Sarah MOULE 1830 Worcester Worc
Trees
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Hi - I am looking for information regarding the parents/siblings of James Billingham (also sometimes called Bellingham), born Tipton c1819 and lived there working as a miner (in fact he was a sinker) with his wife Mary Ann nee Law and their children. These included Betsy, Martha, Timothy, Phillis, Elizabeth, Jane, and twins Maryann and James. I have found him on the census for 1841/51/61. This was not the James Billingham working as a chain maker or similar. I would be very grateful for any information, I seem to be completely stuck!
Thank you,
Judith
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Welcome to Rootschat Judith I hope you find lots of help as you can see from my last post my only BILLINGHAM is Elijah he is a similar age to your so maybe they will turn out to relate. On Elijah's marriage it says his father was James a Scale Beam Forger should you see him during your research please let me know. I'll keep an eye out for yours
Trees
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Hello Judith
There's this marriage on the IGI index
Timothy Billingham + Martha Sillitoe 9Nov 1801 at St Thomas Dudley
I thought it may be of interest as James had children with those christian names.
Jackie.
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Hello Judith
There's this marriage on the IGI index
Timothy Billingham + Martha Sillitoe 9Nov 1801 at St Thomas Dudley
I thought it may be of interest as James had children with those christian names.
Jackie.
Unfortunately, Jackie and Judith, that's a submitted entry. Entries for that year should now be complete on FREEREG but that one doesn't seem to appear under either name.
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Attwoods, Billinghams, Hamptons and Gills all on this site:-
www.bcconnections.tribalpages.com
Caters for the BC and Dudley area.
linell.
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Thank you all for you help. I have to confess that I believe I got his date of birth wrong - more likely this was c1806. I have failed on the leads you have given me so far, but perhaps this new date will ring a bell with someone?
Best wishes
Judith
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Hi
i've been doing my family history for about 3 months now on and off and came across your posts on google,when i had pretty much given up and on the verge of banging my head on the desk ;D. my g g grandfather was joel steventon and his grand father my ggggfather was also joel,im so relieved to find someone else with steventon history, i was wondering if i could ask you where you found your steventon info as im struggling (im a newby to all this) theres so many of them with the same christian names its sending me round the twist! I have steventons from the rowely regis area which then moved to kettering northamptonshire where im based now.also skeldings,waltons and watkins all in the dudley area.
any help would be great and if i can help anyone else feel free to ask.
kindest regards
jodie steventon
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Hi Jodie,
Joel Steventon (c. 1801-23/4/1875) is my great x4 uncle.
His parents Joseph Steventon and Zealous Dunn are my great x4 grandparents.
Joseph & Zealous married at Dudley St Thomas on 4th Dec 1794 (it's on the IGI and the Worcestershire marriages database that was on the former familyhistoryonline website, and is now on findmypast).
Joseph & Zealous Steventon had seven children (that I know about - their baptisms are on the IGI):
+ George 1795-24/4/1869 (the censuses put him born 1795 or 1796, but I was really fortunate that after a lot of detective work I tracked down the family bible that he started, where he says he was born in 1795)
+ Obadiah (c. Feb 1799 - 15/6/1868)
+ Joel (c. 1801/2 - 23/4/1875)
+ Nancy (c.1805 - ?)
+ Phoebe (c. 1808-between 1881 & 1891)
+ Kerenhappuch (c. 1812 - ?)
+ Gideon (29/10/1815 - ?)
I've not looked at these Steventons for a couple of years, so it's entirely possible that more records have become available, and it might be possible to track them down further.
Where they've got full death dates above, I've bought those death certificates and could let you have a copy.
George married Mary Ann Shaw (1795-13/4/1868) at Old Swinford, 24/5/1818 (Worc marriages & IGI) as in my post above, which I'll edit, as some of the info there is now superseded.
Obadiah marrid first Judith Darby (c. 1802-9/11/1840) on 23/6/1823 at Dudley and then secondly, Rebecca Mullett (c.1804-12/5/1884) on 31 May 1841 at Dudley. He had two children with Rebecca.
Joel married Sarah Skeldin (c.1802-26/7/1879) on 23/5/1825 at Dudley and they had 8 children.
Nancy I know nothing about other than her baptism
Phoebe married Christopher Plant (c.1807-1895) on 22 Oct 1827 at Tipton, Staffs. (Got her family's details from a family tree on tribalpages.com (http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=dennis47&view=0&pid=10611&rand=376945993) and they had 9 children
Kerenhappuch married Samuel Bissell 6 feb 1832 at Tipton, Staffs. I've not yet found anything further on this family.
Gideon I know only from his baptism.
I'm happy to share what I've got, and can email you a download from my family tree software, but we need to exchange email addresses via private message, and I think you have to have made 5 (or 10?) posts on rootschat before you're allowed to use the private messaging facility. I'll see if I can send you a PM - maybe you can read them, but not send them till you've met the number of posts. If that doesn't work, then you'll have to make a few more posts!
Which one of Joel the elder's children do you descend from? He had a son called Joel, b. c. 1833, but as far as I've been able to trace, he didn't have a son called Joel (which is a bit odd, now I think about it)
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Hi,
For info. on the Hancox family, have a look at:
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/106.html and
www.mark23.pwp.blueyonder/BARRET/HANCOX.htm
Haven't found the names you requested but both may give you leads. My maternal grandmother, Lydia Percival, comes from the Hancox family. so I have done quite a lot of research on them
RobPhill
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Hello Folks, my own interests in Dudley/Brierley Hill, are Forbes & Edmunds, glassworkers, they left for Glasgow around 1900.........Skoosh.
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Hi Aulus
Im decended from Joel steventon and sarah skelding,who's son noah steventon (1847) is my ggg grandfather,who married nancy watkins (1850) who had a son joel steventon (1885 dudley born) ,married mary/polly walton then moved to kettering and had my great grandfather george (1905) who married edith/ivy liddington,who then had my grandfather george henry steventon in 1931,phew! so we are probably very distant cousins! haha.
regards jodie
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Jodie, I make it that we're 5th cousins, once removed!
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Fantastic!!! haha, i ment to say i also have a birth cert for joel henry steventon (1885) and george henry steventon (1905). also i have the marriage cert for george henry steventon who married edith liddington in 1930, witnesses are john h steventon and ann steventon. Not sure if ann and john were married as there appear to be a few johns. I could let you have copies if you like,havent worked out how to use my scanner yet so i cant email them to you,joys of modern technology!!
regards
jodie
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On scanners and such like, I've given up on them. Far too temperamental beasties. I always use my trusty old digital camera as a "scanner" now. Much easier!
Thanks for your email, Jodie - I'll reply shortly.
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Hi
Scanners are a pain, so i took your advice and got the camera out,much better. I also men't to ask how did you manage to track down a steventon family bible,i'm still hunting, or is it a case of being in the right place at the right time so to speak?
kind regards
jodie
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Finding the family bible was a bit of luck followed by a few weeks' detective work, followed by a bit more luck.
In 1962 there was an article in the Lancashire Evening Post written by local historian Kathleen Eyre on one Sep Smith, the son of Henry Smith and Zillah Steventon. That article gave a list of all Sep's siblings drawn from a family bible, and all his mother's siblings too.
We had a cutting of that article in one of my dad's cuttings files but nobody had ever heard of there being a family bible. There was some memory of Sep having been interviewed by Kathleen Eyre, so we assumed that he must have had the bible and when he died it was chucked away with all his other junk.
Then one day, I was browsing through the catalogues of the Lancashire Records Office, and happened to find a reference to Kathleen Eyre - it turned out that when she died all her papers had been deposited there. So I thought there might be notes from her meetings with Sep. I never did find those, and unfortunately the deposit has never been catalogued. But after weeks and weeks of ploughing through box after box of papers, albums of clippings, albums of postcards and all sorts of stuff she'd collected over the years, I came across a clipping of the article we already had a copy of. Then on the next page, she'd kept all the correspondence relating to it. Cutting a long story a bit shorter, it transpired that following a chance meeting she'd borrowed the bible off a Smith cousin.
In separate researches, I knew about this cousin, but had no contact details for her, and anyway she was likely to be dead now. But I'd made contact with another cousin on the Smith side and had been keeping him informed, and he was in touch with a child of the cousin who'd loaned the bible to Kathleen Eyre. He got in touch, and was told the bible had been thrown away after it had completely disintegrated ... but the pages relating to family history had been kept. There are two sets, one from a much older bible, presumably pasted into the newer bible in the later 19th century, or in the 20th century. This is a very battered page with some barely legible scrawl on both sides listing George & Ann Stevanton (sic) and their children. The other more recent pages, from a bible with pre-printed pages for a "family register" lists the births, marriages and deaths of Henry & Zillah Smith. The deaths were maintained up till 1935.
I've not seen the original, only scans, and unfortunately by the time I'd got them, they only really confirmed what I'd already discovered following the leads given in the Lancs Evening Post article. Also in Kathleen Eyre's papers were a few of Sep's election posters (he kept trying to stand as a councillor in Blackpool) which are hilarious.
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Hello,
I am currently researching my ancestors that lived in Dudley in the 1850s and 1860s. They moved to the states in 1867. With the assistance of some very helpful people here, I've tracked them down as living on Wolverhampton Street in 1861. Incidentally, I walked down that very street today, trying to figure out which building they lived in.
There is a mystery name on the census: Elizth Green, daughter, age 5 in 1861. There is no mention of her on the passenger list or in any further census. I assume she died in the 1860sbut am having difficulties finding that information. Any pointers?
Thank you
Cassandra
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Hi Aulus
Im decended from Joel steventon and sarah skelding,who's son noah steventon (1847) is my ggg grandfather,who married nancy watkins (1850) who had a son joel steventon (1885 dudley born) ,married mary/polly walton then moved to kettering and had my great grandfather george (1905) who married edith/ivy liddington,who then had my grandfather george henry steventon in 1931,phew! so we are probably very distant cousins! haha.
regards jodie
here you joel steventon
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=17290&randi=757284401
but no joel born 1885 on 1891 or 1901 census ?
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Did your Bracegirdles come from Northenden, Cheshire?