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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: bertoli22 on Sunday 02 April 06 02:44 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone.
I'm absolutely begging for help on this one.
John Briggs, his wife and five children arrived in South Australia on the "Poictiers" from London via Plymouth in 1848.
My gg grandfather George was one of those children. He married Ellen Mc Manus and ended up living in Young New South Wales.
I have as many certs relating to George as I can get and have lots of info about his time in Australia and his descendants. I can't find any info about his father John Briggs, the remaining children or his mother Kate (Duiett).
The place of birth on George's death cert is Leicestershire. His year of birth could be anywhere between 1829 1nd 1832 as different ages are on each source of info.
I haven't been able to find any Duiett's in the IGI and other databases that I've checked out.
Any ideas about how I can find out info about the remaining family who arrived in SA and about ancestors in the UK?
TIA
ciao Bertoli
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Hi Bertoli
This website:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Has record of a Bridget BRIGGS, who died Grafton district, NSW in 1884.
Father: John. Mother: Kate
A (spinster?) sister to your George perhaps?
(I've modified this message, as I realise in a comment before, I confused Kate McMANUS and Kate DUiETT :P)
Re: DUIETT
If you search spelling: DIUETT / British Isles on IGI, there are a lot of them with various spelling variations.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello.
Do you have the names of John/Kates children that arrived in 1848
and their ages.....I ask because there is a marriage of a John to one
Ann Campbell, father given as John and this was in 1857, his age
given as 22, which means he was born 1835.
Mike.
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Hello Saddler and Ambly
Thanks for your replies - I've been stuck on this family for a while.
I don't know the names of any of the other children - I only know that there were five chn in 1848 from the passenger records.
Saddler, is the John & Ann Campbell marriage in SA? The time would fit nicely as George was there until at least 1858 when my g grandmother was born. The rest of their 8 children were born in and around Young NSW between 1861 and 1876
Ambly, I think I'll get the Bridget Briggs death cert - it is worth checking out. i'll also revisit the IGI. I've looked pretty thoroughly before but it is worthwhile checking again.
Thanks to both of you.
ciao Chriis
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Hi.
Yes, the marriage is in S.A. and I have the S.A. marriages from 1842-1937
and deaths 1842-1915......unfortunately my births disk no longer works.
If this John is the son then being born in 1835 makes his fathers birth
around 1815, assuming this John was the first born, this however would take your idea of John senior born around 1829 back some.
I also have the 1841 census for S.A. and only one Briggs (Henry) is shown
Mike
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Thanks Mike
John Briggs is highly likely to be George's brother. George was also married at the Catholic church in Mintaro in 1857 - at the time he was a farmer living at Wakey Valley in SA (no one seems to know where that was :( )
George was born approx 1829 - 32, I don't have a date for his father John and have no info about him. I haven't found him or Kate in BDM searches in Vic, NSW & WA.
Where did you buy your cd? It might be worthwhile me getting a deaths cd as there may be a few Briggs to check out as most seem to have stayed put in SA.
ciao Chris
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Hello Chris.
I have the deaths CD its the births CD that does not work, and this is
because I was asked a couple of years ago if I would loan my set to
the local senior citizens, so I backed them up and presented the set
for them to use, they returned Marriage/deaths and forgot the Births
CD which was then stolen, I should have made them pay for a new one
but as I am a pensioner I decided not to, then late last year my backup
copy ceased to function, now I wonder if the others are going to do tha
same!.
You can obtain the CD's from
http://www.macbeth.com.au/
The births(1842-1906) have gone up in price to $260
There are some 58 Briggs deaths and I have only extracted the Mintaro
ones.
Mike.
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Thanks Mike
$260 is quite a bit - I'll have to think about that one :)
Thanks heaps for the list of Mintaro deaths - I'll check these out. John Briggs age 84Y died at Parkside - was that the the name of the psychiatric hospital in Adelaide?
ciao
Chris
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Hi Chris.
There are 11 births all told for John Biggs & Mary Campbell
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Regards
sidsmith
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Thanks Sidsmith
Many of the names are very similar to George's children so I'm pretty sure these are the right family.
Thanks heaps.
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Could Wakefield possibly have been known as Wakey Valley? George and the witness to his and Ellen's wedding both lived at Wakey Valley. and I haven't been able to find it anywhere.
ciao
Chris
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Hi
Would someone mind checking the SA deaths cd if there is a death which could be Kate Briggs (nee Duiett) wife of John Briggs? I guess that she and John would have been born around 1800 - 1810.
I'll order death certs for the likely candidates- it is the only way that I can think of sorting out where they came from and their children's names.
Thanks Chris
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Hi Chris.
No death record in S.A. for Kate/Cath/Catherine/Katherine Briggs
but there is one in NSW
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I think you said that George went to NSW, perhaps she also went
to NSW after her husbands death?
Mike.
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Thanks Mike
I've seen that entry before but haven't ordered it because I thought that she would have died in SA as none of the Young rellies knew anything about John and Kate. I'll order the death cert for the NSW catherine Briggs today.
Thanks heaps for your help - I feel as though I'm finally getting somewhere with this lot now - a few good leads to follow up!
ciao Chris
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Hi Chris.
I wish you luck, hope it is your Kate, let me know.
Mike.
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Hi
If the NSW Kate isn't the one I 'll check the Ann who died in SA in 1867 aged 71.
All of the info that I have on Kate Duiett is from son George Briggs' death cert.
George was 82 when he died and info for the death cert was provided by his 34 yo son. Maybe this son didn't know much about his grandmother and got the name wrong.
The NSW Bridget death cert may also have further info. Thanks everyone for your help I'll let you know how I get on.
ciao Chris
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Hi
Got the death cert for Bridget Briggs from Grafton whose parents were John and Kate. No match unfortunately. Bridget's married name was Briggs and parents were John Malone and Kate (surname unknown).
Happy to pass the death cert on to a good home :)
ciao
Chris
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hi there
just a thought if you have george"s birth place in england
and his mother and fathers names perhaps you could post in the uk section for leictershire spelt wrong to seee if someone has the 1841 census as they didnt arrive here until 1848 you just might pick them up from that it could be worth a try
regards jenn
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Hi Jenn
I've asked about George+ family and the 1841 census on a leics list that I'm on but didn't get any takers. The 1841 census should be the place to find them. I have a subs to ancestry UK & the 1841 census is supposed to be up by the end of April so I should really wait until then and do the work myself.
ciao Chris
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Good thinking Chris
hopefully ancestory wont want to charge any more for the 1841 but we will have to wait and see
regards jenn
from the hot tropics of northern queensland
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Hi I am the great great grandaughter of George Briggs & Ellen McManus if you are still on email I would love to share family history. Plus that photo you have of a young Ellen, I just compared it to a photo I have of her not long before she died and you can see the resemblence.
Anyway I hope you are still out there given your last email was some years ago.
Ciao
Lou :)
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I believed from my family history great aunties etc. that John Briggs wife was Kate Divett not 'Duiett'? However, I have not seen any source documents with her name on it to verify that.
Cheers
Lou
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Hello, I am a Briggs and my father grew up in Grenfell. His uncle was Sid Briggs, who's father was George Briggs and they were in Young. I have recordings from both Sid and George from the National Library. They are incredible to listen to. If you never track them back any further it wouldn't matter after listening to these recordings, but if you have I would love to hear from you. One last thing, I grew up thinking I liked music because of my maternal ancestors...perhaps because my dad died quite early, but I now know differently. Amazingly talented bunch the Briggs's!
Michele
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Hi I have heaps of info that I can share with you. Unfortunately not all the info that George and Sid had was correct. I will send you a private message
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Hi I am back on the family trail. My Great great grandfather was John Briggs (Jr) George's brother. Firstly, yes all of John's descendants are very musical - except me!!!!!!
I have now discovered George, John, Rosanne and William were 4 of the 5 children who came to Aust with John Briggs (Sn) and his wife Anne Butler. Have not found child no 5 yet???? Also John Briggs (Sn)( whose father was Robert Briggs) had a brother Frederick who also came to Aust and settled in South Aust.
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Just read some earlier posts. Yes John Briggs (Jr) did marry Anne Campbell in the Mintaro Church 19/2/1857 and they had 11 children. Only their eldest child Mary Ann born 7/1/1858 (my great grandmother) married. I have details of births and deaths of all the children, four of whom entered the Convent of Mercy. Two are buried in Coolgardie WA