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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: Lady Di on Saturday 01 April 06 12:32 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
This is my gggggrandfathers headstone. I think it says:
...... Robert Moule......
...seventh son of Adams & Mary Moule.....
Can anyone work out the rest please. ???
Would anyone have any Parish Records for Whaddon? or be researching the Moule family of Whaddon? (with 7 sons, you'd think there would be plenty of descendants ;D
Many thanks
Di
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I think it says:
In Memory of ROBERT MOULE seventh son of ADAM & MARY MOULE who departed this life February 20 1855 aged 89 years
I can't read the inscription at the bottom but I think it's a verse rather than an inscription for anyone else.
I think I've found him in the 1851 census as well if it would be of any use.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Many thanks for the transcription.
I believe the father's name is AdamS - which is rather unusual (Robert also called his son Adams). It must have some meaning in the family somewhere but nothing is showing on the IGI!
Nice to see that he lived to a ripe old age anyway.
I have a rough outline of the 1851 census - thanks.
Much appreciated
Di
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I agree with Di about Adams. Coincidentally, perhaps, there is a marriage of an Adams Moule to a Mary Livett on 3 July 1755 in Willingham by St Ives, Cambs. [IGI Batch no M130621]
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There is another IGI batch C130623 which covers baptisms at Willingham by St Ives from 1653 to 1874. Infuriatingly, it's one of those batches that consists entirely of female baptisms. >:( Not much help if you're looking for seven sons!
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Hi Di, I agree that the bottom bit looks like a verse, probably from the bible. Its probably quite legible if you are standing in front of it.
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There's also this in the I.G.I.
Adams Moule m. 25 Dec 1802, Bassingbourn, Cambridge,
Sarah Farr.
Adams Cole Moule b. 25 Oct 1816, Parents: Robert Moule &
Mary Cole.
m. 28 Oct 1856, Melbourn, Cambridge,
Hannah Dickason Titchmarsh.
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I agree with Di about Adams. Coincidentally, perhaps, there is a marriage of an Adams Moule to a Mary Livett on 3 July 1755 in Willingham by St Ives, Cambs. [IGI Batch no M130621]
Thanks Dave,
I did see the Adams and Mary record but haven't found any of the sons - assuming that they are the parents of my Robert ??? (a bit too coincidental if not)
Is Willingham by St Ives near Whaddon?
I had noticed that Robert's place of birth was Whaddon on the 1851 so assumed (wrong thing to do I know!) that the boys were all born there ???
I'm just trying to work out which parish film to order from LDS!
Thanks Linda - I hope to see it in person next year 8) !!
Regards
Di
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There's also this in the I.G.I.
Adams Moule m. 25 Dec 1802, Bassingbourn, Cambridge,
Sarah Farr.
Adams Cole Moule b. 25 Oct 1816, Parents: Robert Moule &
Mary Cole.
m. 28 Oct 1856, Melbourn, Cambridge,
Hannah Dickason Titchmarsh.
Oh wow - I obviously didn't look to closely at the IGI. I know the second Adams is mine but where did the 1802 guy come from. Bet he was a son of one of the brothers ::)
OK - where do I go from here? :-\
Many thanks everyone
Regards
Di
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Hi Di
Whaddon isn't that close to Willingham, but Willingham may have been Robert's mother's parish.
IGI Batch number C073451/ FHL Film 0990297 supposedly covers Whaddon baptisms from 1599-1851 and I see a fair number of Moules are listed, but none for the period you are interested in.
Dave
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Thanks Dave,
Darn it - why did I ever think this would be easy ???
Although I have found many entries on Parish films that have not been recorded by IGI - hoping to find 7 sons is probably a little optimistic :-\
A minor challenge awaits :(
Appreciate your assistance
Di
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Have you tried the Cambs FHS website on http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
which has a Baptism Index 1801-37? This covers all parishes in Cambs.
Regards
david
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Hi David,
Thanks for that link. I have visited Cambs FHS web site previously and have found them to be one of the best sites around. They really supply so much information - easy to use - easy to read - and it's all free.
What more could we ask for? ;D
(well, maybe info from the 1700's might be a bonus ;D)
Much appreciated
Di
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Hi Folks,
Hope I am not closing the door after the horse has bolted but the date looks like "February 20 1833" to me.......... ;)
......... looking again you're probably right! :-\
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Thanks for looking at the headstone. I have found him on the 1851 census (aged 85) - still a farmer with children/adults living at home so I guess the date should be after 1851.
Much appreciate your help
Di
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Hi Di,
You might enjoy a closer look at Cambridgeshire. A really good Satellite image is available on Google Earth........ 8)
Pam
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Thanks Pam, I will check it out
Regards
Di
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Whaddon Monumental Inscriptions recorded by Alan Bullwinkle and Margaret Wilson for the Cambridgeshire Family History Society 1993
1) In Affectionate Memory of Jessie Maria Moule b. 5 Oct 1807 d. 16 June 1884
2) In Memory of Adams Cole Moule late of Whaddon b. 25 Oct 1816 d. at
Leicester 26 Dec 1893
3) To The Treasured Memory of Rebecca Moule d. 10 Jan 1860 aged 60
4) In Memory of Hannah (Dickason) beloved wife of Adams Cole Moule d. 8 Oct
1877 aged 51
Also Adams Edwards son of the above d. 21 March 1861 aged 3 months
5) In Memory of Robert Moule seventh son of Adams and Mary Moule d. 20
Feb 1855 aged 89
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6) Broken headstone (Adams Moule) (1806)
7) Illegible headstone (Moule)
8) Sacred To The Memory Of Stephen Moule (remainder illegible)
1-8 in one family group.
9) In Memory Of Susannah the daughter of Joseph and Mary Moule d. 23 Nov
1787 aged 57
10) In Memory Of Stephen Moule son of Joseph and Mary Moule d. 11 June
1769 aged 11
Also Joseph the (son) of Joseph and Mary Moule (remainder illegible)
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11) Possibly a Moule as it is among the others.
In Memory Of (illegible) d. (28 Nov) 1749 aged (50)
12) In Memory Of Susannah wife of Joseph Moule of this parish d. 28 Oct 1747
aged 65
9-12 also in one block and two headstones away from Susannah was
13) In Memory Of Zachariah Moule d. 7 Dec 1785 aged 54
I have Whaddon parish register 1599-1851. Any thing I can look up?
Be lucky Andy Loates
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is this any of your family
sylvia
http://www.bobcopeland.net/all-o/p729.htm#i21857
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Well this is a pleasant surprise.
Thanks Loates for the great MI's from Whaddon. I'll have to check my files but I know that although I have most of the death records for Moule of Whaddon, the MI's provide a lot of extra information. I'll match your info with what I have and see if there's anything further that I'm missing. Many many thanks.
Thanks MJB for the cleanup of Robert's headstone - much appreciated.
Sylvia - thanks for the link to the Copeland/Moule family. I've come across that branch previously and we haven't been able to make a connection. I know there was a Moule family living in Whaddon in the 1600's and it's possible that both families are descended from the same source. Proving that has been harder then we ever thought possible.
BTW - since I originally posted this picture I have been able to confirm each of the seven sons - Roberts siblings, plus a few sisters as well. I have family for most of them, including some very informative wills.
It appears that most of Robert's siblings either went to live in nearby Royston or immigrated to Hartford in USA. Generally the Moule family has been found in all corners of the globe since that time.
Thanks for reminding me about this family - I really must get back to them and see if there's any new leads.
Much appreciated everyone.
Di
sorry - that wasn't meant to be a saga!!
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My 3XGGF was John Moule bc1811, probably in the Cambridgeshire area, but no real idea where. Does he fit in as another descendant of Adams Moule please?
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Hi Roger,
Do you have your John Moule on any census? That should give us some idea of his place of birth. Even an occupation may help. He doesn't appear to be a descendant of the Whaddon Moule family though.
Di
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Thanks for that Di. I have just noticed an error on my tree, I give the births of both John and his wife Elizabeth as 1811. This is extremely unlikely as their oldest child Lydia was b 1822, however I think the children of her brother John, do look the most likely
as their known children had the following names and dobs, Lydia, b1822, Elizabeth b1826, Sarah my 2XGGM(1829-1906) and her sister Mary also b1829, I don't know whether they were twins, or Jan and Dec births etc.then a gap to the only son William b1836, and his sister Jane b1839, so it seems possible that my John was possibly the son, or more likely the grandson of Adams Moule. On checking his record I do find that I have some census information which may account for the age error. I have 1841 census where the ages were rounded, so John and Elizabeth could have been born as early as 1806, which, while young is possible.The 1841 census shows |Osborn Terrace St, Andrew the Great, Cambridge, and his occupation is given as Maltster in 1847 at the marriage of Mary. Hope that helps.Don't see any ready connection but my ancestor, Sarah, married a William Brignell and their occupation was painters and decorators. Later the family formed a business, which still functions in Cambridge I believe.
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Roger,
I've had a quick look through the CFHS site for the children's baptisms and also checked the IGI and on the IGI there is a submitted entry for John and Elizabeth Moule and their children. It says that both John and Elizabeth were born in c. 1811 - even though their first child was bp in 1822!!
(It probably isn't wise to believe submitted entries like these ;) )
The IGI sub. entry also says that Elizabeth, John's wife died in Chesterton in 1843. Is this correct?
CFHS baptism index says they were living at Hills Road when William John was Bp in '36 and Mile Stone Close in '33 when Thomas was baptised.
Have you the family on the 1851 census? Where was John born and what is his age on that census? Are any of the children with him in '51.
Di
CFHS = http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BaptismIndex/index.html
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Thanks for the offer Di, accepted gratefully, I was at Kew yesterday and managed to get a look at the censuses: Nothing for 1851 but though they are not shown in chronological order I think this makes the most sense (At least to me!)
1871 Cambridge City St. Clements Parish, Trinity Ward
John Moule Father widower 68 Maltster b Chesterton
Lydia Taylor Head Married 45 Porter's wife
William Taylor Son U/M 15 Telegraph messenger
Robert Taylor Son U/M 12 Scholar
1861 78 Fitzroy St. Cambridge
John Moule Head Married 58 Maltster b Chesterton
Susannah Moule Wife 55 b Cambridge
1841 Back Lane Cottenham
John Moule N/S? 40 ??
1841 4 Russell St. Cambridge
Joseph Moule 70 Labourer Yes
Susannah Moule 35 Yes
1871 7 Wray's Almshouses
Joseph Moule Widower 86 Builder b Cambridge
1841 Green St. St. Michael's Cambridge
Joseph Moule 45 Carpenter b Cambridge*
Ann Moule 45
5 children
* Added detail for 1841
From these extracts I believe 1) We have two Josephs one bc1785, the other 1796 2) From the 1841 census it seems reasonable that the elder Joseph was living with his son John who happened to be away in Cottenham on census night, and John's wife Susannah.
Hope this makes sense.
ssell St. Cambridge
Joseph Moule 70
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Hi Roger,
Ok - so it looks like your John was born c. 1803 in Chesterton and he was a Malster.
My Moule guys were also Malsters too (mainly from Royston), but that really doesn't mean much as so many people in that area were in the same trade.
I'll follow up on the new info and be back soon.
Just found this interesting document that mentions Moules of Whaddon
aprilsancestry.com/files/GaddRowleyEngTmLn2.doc
(not too sure if that will work as a link though :-\)
I shall return ;D
Di
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Redroger -
PM has been sent
Di
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Di, Managed to find a link to Ancestry and skimmed the article, thanks, Roger