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Hi to all Sussex Researchers
I have now acquired Volume 1 – 12 of the PBN 1841 Census transcription for Sussex.
Volume Area Covered
1. Arlington, Hailsham, Herstmonceux, Wartling, Hooe, Ninfield
2. Hollington, Bexhill, Catsfield, Crowhurst, Westfield, Sedlescombe, Ewhurst
3. Pett, Guestling, Fairlight, Ore, Hastings all Saints
4. Whatlington, Mountfield, Battle, Brightling, Dallington, Penhurst, Ashburnham
5. Lamberhurst, Frant
6. Burwash, Ticehurst, Etchington
7. Pevensey, Westham, Willingdon, Jevington, Folkington, Willmington, East Dean, Friston, Seaford, West Dean, Litlington, Lullington, Alfriston
8. Wivelsfield, Ditchling, Westmeston, East Chiltington, Streat, Plumpton, Harnsey, Chailey, Newick, Barcombe, Ringmer
9. Hastings St Michael, St Andrews, Holy Rrinity, St Mary in the Castle (Out bounds), St Mary Magdalen, St Leonards on Sea, St Mary – Bulverhythe
10. Hastings St Clements, St Mary in the Castle.
11. East Grinstead, Crawley, Worth & East Hoathly
12. Rye, East Guldeford, Iden, Broomhill & Playden
Also
1841 Census for Eastbourne - Publication by Eastbourne Local History Group.
1861 Census for Eastbourne - on CD
NEW* Pigot's Trade Directory of Sussex 1832-3-4
Willing to search the CD's for your Sussex Ancestors
Chris in 1066Land
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John WILLIS age 33 (in 1851 was in Winding St, Hastings (All Saints)
Wife: Sarah age 31
John, 3
Both born in Hastings.
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Richard WENHAM age 30 (in 1851 was in Lennox St, Hastings)
Wife: Sarah age 29
Richard, 6
Sarah, 1
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George WENHAM
Wife: Charlotte age 49
Location: Hastings
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George PETERS
Wife: Mary
George, age 27, born Bexhill
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Harriet ELDRIDGE, age 10 - 16 (depending upon later census returns!) born Bexhill or Battle. Daughter of James and Sarah.
Location: Battle, Westfield, Hollington
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;D Thank you so much
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Hi Twink
John WILLIS age 33 (in 1851 was in Winding St, Hastings (All Saints)
Wife: Sarah age 31
John, 3
Both born in Hastings.
1841 Census – Meadowcroft, All Saints, Hastings
WILLIS John, 35, Mariner, born Sussex
Sarah, 35, born Sussex
Harriett, 10, born Sussex
John, 4, born Sussex
Eliza, 1, born Sussex
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Richard WENHAM age 30 (in 1851 was in Lennox St, Hastings)
Wife: Sarah age 29
Richard, 6
Sarah, 1
1841 Census – Lennox Street, St Clements, Hastings
WENHAM Richard, 30, Labourer, born Sussex
Sarah, 30, born Sussex
Richard, 7, born Sussex
Sarah, 2, born Sussex
Not Known, Female, 1 month, born Sussex
Hope that helps verify / furthers your Family History
Will do the others after dinner
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi again Twink
George WENHAM
Wife: Charlotte age 49
Location: Hastings
Sorry, but I can not locate a George with wife Mary.
There is only 1 George Wenham, Aged 60, Shoemaker in The Union Workhouse, Ore
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George PETERS
Wife: Mary
George, age 27, born Bexhill
These are the only George & Mary Peters that I could find, – but they are to old.
PETERS George, 50, Ag Lab, born in Sussex
Mary, 55, born Sussex
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Harriet ELDRIDGE, age 10 - 16 (depending upon later census returns!) born Bexhill or Battle. Daughter of James and Sarah.
Location: Battle, Westfield, Hollington
1841 Census – Hollington Street, Hollington, Hastings, Sussex
ELDRIDGE James, 40, Ag Lab, born Sussex
Sarah, 40, born Sussex
Harriot, 10, born Sussex
Robert, 5, born Sussex
Sophia, 5, born Sussex
Charles, 5, born Sussex
The Census Enumerator went a bit wild with this batch of returns - his brief was:
Round down the ages of Adults over 13 to the nearest 5 years.
Children under 13 - record / show their exact age
So, I expect that Robert, Sophia and Charles were not triplets as suggested by their ages. All other children on the same batch of returns are the same ages, 5 or 10 years of age.
Chris in 1066Land
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Many thanks for looking into all of those for me.
These are the only George & Mary Peters that I could find, – but they are to old.
PETERS George, 50, Ag Lab, born in Sussex
Mary, 55, born Sussex
Please could I have the address for the above - it is possible that the George and Mary mentioned are my ggg grandparents.
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Twink
George PETERS
Wife: Mary
George, age 27, born Bexhill
These are the only George & Mary Peters that I could find, – but they are to old.
Borough of Hastings, Mount Pleasant, All Saints Parish
PETERS George, 50, Ag Lab, born in Sussex
Mary, 55, born Sussex
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris,
I have just discovered my 3xG Grandparents lived in Hastings during the 1830s/40s. Could you possibly see if you can find them for me?
Michael Paffett
Rebecca Paffett
Possibly with children:
Eliza Paffett (christened St Mary in the Castle)
Victoria Paffett (chr. St Mary Magdalene)
Albert Paffett (chr. St Mary Magdalene)
I think Rebecca was born in Portsmouth, but I`m not sure about Michael.
Many thanks for your time,
Rebecca :)
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Hi bex
There is a paffett family in Hastings in 1841 and 1851 but it is John / Caroline and Family - not your Michael / Rebecca and family
Do you trhink they are relatives
Chris
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They could be, I have a few Carolines in my Paffetts from Portsmouth.
I guess maybe Michael and Rebecca had moved back to Portsmouth by the time the census was taken, the latest I have them in Hastings is 1840.
Thanks very much for looking,
Bex
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would you be able to look up Moon in Hastings, please? thank you!
Jennifer in Ontario, Canada
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Hello Chris,
Would you be able to find my 2 x great grandfather and/or 3 x great grandfather on the 1841 census?
Both were named James Phipps, My GG grandfather was born in Warbleton c1780, GG grandfather's date and place of birth unkown but probably also the Warbleton area.
Many thanks
Pam
I was born in sussex but now live in Notts !!!
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Dear Chris
It's very kind of you to do 1841 look ups; please could you try these for me:
1) Edward and Sophia Miller, living in Hankham, near Westham. Don't know address, they had about 7 children by then.
2) Would it be possible to find out who was living in the Old Dial House in Westham Street in 1841? I'm hoping it was Millers who should be Edwards parents. Can't find out anything about them yet but I believe they had a connection with Zoar Street Chapel, Upper Dicker.
Many thanks.
PS Edward Miller is my GGG Grandfather.
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Hi there Moon
Sorry for the delay, but have been on holiday.
Took a quick look on the local census transcriptions and found:
1831 a couple of entries
1841 some 23 entries
1851 over 40 entries
If you can be more specific, will give you fuller details.
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there alord
Sorry for the delay - have been away on holiday
1) Edward and Sophia Miller, living in Hankham, near Westham. Don't know address, they had about 7 children by then.
2) Would it be possible to find out who was living in the Old Dial House in Westham Street in 1841? I'm hoping it was Millers who should be Edwards parents. Can't find out anything about them yet but I believe they had a connection with Zoar Street Chapel, Upper Dicker.
1841 Census Transcription, Parish of Westham
Westham Street
MILLER Richard, 79, Poor Man, born in Sussex
Henry, 40, Ag Lab, born in Sussex
Sarah, 55, born in Sussex
Westham (Hancomb Street)
MILLER Charles, 32, Shoe Maker, born Sussex
Caroline, 31, born Sussex
Alfred, 4, born Sussex
George, 2, born Sussex
Hankham Street
MILLER, Edward, 38, Cordwainer, born Sussex
Sophia, 38, born Sussex
Meren, 15, born Sussex
William, 12, born Sussex
Andrew, 10, born Sussex
James, 8, born Sussex
Luther, 5, born Sussex
Ruth, 3, born Susex
Dorcas, 5months, born Sussex
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Pam4Mat
Sorry for the delay, but have been away on holiday.
Do not have 1841 census data for Warbleton as per yet
Only 1 entry in the 1851 census for Warbleton:
HO107/ 1638/ Folio 357/ Page 11 - Dog Farm, Warbleton, Sussex.
PHIPPS James, Head, 71, Ag Lab, born Heathfield, Sussex.
Ann, Wife, Marr, 32, born Dallington
Mary, Dau, Unm, 9, born Warbleton
James, Son, Unm, 6, born Warbleton
William, Son, Unm, 3, born Salehurst
Sarah, Dau, Unm, 1, born Warbleton
Chris in 1066Land
PS - I was born in Notts, but now live in Sussex. (we must have crossed somewhere)
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Chris, Many thanks for that information. Hope you had a good holiday. I am going down to Sussex next week for a few days to take a look at some local records and hopefully tie up some loose ends.
Thanks again.............Pam
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Hi again
"I am going down to Sussex next week for a few days to take a look at some local records and hopefully tie up some loose ends."
Seems strange to hear someone saying that, but it is all downhill from Nottinghamshire aint it.
Hope you have a successful trip and go back 'up north' with loads of new ancestors
Chris in 1066Land
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1841 census Westham
Thanks very much Chris. :) You have been a great help. Now more information to add to the jigsaw!
I think my next step must be to track down the chapel records at Upper Dicker. (Zoar), and I think a trip to either the East or West Sussex Records office is required, unless you have any other suggestions?
Happy Easter to you.
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Hi there alord
It is the East Sussex Record Office that you want in Lewes.
I will be going there before the end of the month - am quite willing to look up 'specific enquiries' as against blanket research.
Is there anything else that I can help you with
Chris in 1066Land
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RE Record Office Lewes
Thanks a lot, that would be a great help.
I will come back to you with a specific request re the Miller family once I have sorted out my notes.
I will be back again for help, I am sure!!
Many thanks for your time and effort.
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Hello Chris,
It would very helpful if you could look up the following family for me in the 1841 census for Hastings (either All Saints or St Clements). In 1851 the father (with a different wife) was living in Bourne Street.
James Tassell (b 1811)
Margaret Tassell (wife, birth unknown)
Margaret Maria Tassell (b 1836)
Mary Ann Tassell (b 1838)
Maria Tassell (b 1840)
Any (if you have time!) this family (maybe too young to have own home?):
John Carey (b. 1819)
Francis Carey (b. 1823, I think)
Samuel George Carey (b 2nd Qtr 1841)
Both born in Hastings (her maiden name is Sherwood). I understand that the 1841 census was 6/7 June, so the child may be on the census, or may not. Don't yet know where in Hastings he was born, so if this is too wide search don't bother. If you have the 1851 census for Hastings and can find them, that would be helpful too.
Thanks very much,
James
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Hi James
1841 Census – Bourne Street, Hastings Old Town (All Saints)
TASSELL Margaret, 25, born Sussex
Margaret, 5, born Sussex
Mary, 2yrs 6months, born Sussex
Maria, 70, born Sussex
Will look for the others after I have had my supper
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi James
1841 Census – Bourne Street, Hastings Old Town (All Saints)
TASSELL Margaret, 25, born Sussex
Margaret, 5, born Sussex
Mary, 2yrs 6months, born Sussex
Maria, 70, born Sussex
There is no sign of James anywhere in the 1841 census – but there are several Tassell / Tassel families, the head of each is a Fisherman, so possibly James is at sea on the night of the census.
1841 Census – Castle Terrace, St Mary in the Castle, Hastings.
CAREY John, 30, Cordwainer, Not born in Sussex
Frances, 25, born Sussex
John, 3, born Sussex
Female Not Named, 1 week, born Sussex
SHERWOOD, Sarah, 17, Servant, born Sussex.
Sorry, census says that baby is a girl – but they could have got it wrong.
HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 179/ Page 123 - 5 East Hill Passage, Hastings.
CAREY Francis, Head, Widow, 34, Shoebinder, born Hastings
Samuel, Son, Unm, 9, Scholar, Hastings
Elizabeth, Dau, Unm, 8, Scholar, Hastings
Sarah, Dau, Unm, 4, Scholar, Hastings
As you can see from the above, they did get it wrong, she was called Samuel.
Hope the above is to your liking
Chris in 1066Land
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Thank you very much Chris (a very quick response!). That improves our picture of the family greatly and confirms our theory that James Tassell married twice. I suspect the 70 year old Maria may be 7m (month) old Maria, but it could be his mother.
We have another branch of the family living in Hastings in 1841/51, please could look these up too when you have time :)
William Upton
Susannah Upton (daugther, born 1845 Hastings)
Susannah lived Pleasant Row/East Beach Street (1871/1881) once married.
William was a Land Pilot in 1866 (Susannah's marriage cert). I think that means he met ships and guided them into port or up a river (just called a pilot now).
This family is a bit more sketchy (e.g. we don't know the mother's name yet).
Thanks again for your help,
James
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James
Have found you Uptons in the 1851 census in 'Flora Cottage'
Am now looking for them in the 1841
Will post in a few minutes
Chris in 1066Land
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James
HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 178/ Page 115 – Flora Cottage (All Saints)
UPTON William, Head, Marr, 48, Labourer, born Hastings
Maria, Wife, Marr, 46, born Hastings
William, Son, Unm, 14, Scholar, born Hastings
Ruben, Son, Unm, 12, Scholar, born Hastings
Zebulon, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, born Hastings
Caroline, Dau, Unm, 7, Scholar, born Hastings
Susannah, Dau, Unm, 5, Scholar, born Hastings
Being as you mentioned East Hill Passage
HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 179/ Page 117 – 8 East Hill Passage. (All Saints)
UPTON Samuel, Head, Marr, 32, Labourer, born Hastings
Matilda, Wife, Marr, 33, born Boreham, Sussex
George, Son, Unm, 9, Scholar, born Hastings
Ann, Dau, Unm, 5, Scholar, born Hastings
Sophia, Dau, Unm, 3months, born Hastings
1841 will follow shortly (got to help get kids to bed)
Chris in 1066Land
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James
1841 Census – Hill Street, All Saints, Hastings.
UPTON William, 35, Labourer, born Sussex
Maria, 35, born Sussex
George, 14, born Sussex
Mary, 12, born Sussex
Sarah, 10, born Sussex
William, 4, born Sussex
Ruben, 2, born Sussex
Zebulon, 1month, born Sussex – Transcribed as SWELAN ?
1841 Census – Hopper Street, All Saints, Hastings.
UPTON Samuel, 20, Labourer, born Sussex
Matilda, 20, born Sussex
Joseph, 1, born Sussex
Chris in 1066Land
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Thanks again Chris. Now to digest all this information and piece together the years of birth etc.
James
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Hi James
There was a couple of odd 'Uptons' in Hastings, but no more complete families
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Norman
In reply to your private message:
Would appreciate your assistance in finding any information on the Cake family from Sussex. My grandfather was Frank Cake born St Mary in the Castle on 19th January 1889. His father was William Cake, a waiter but that is about as much information as I have.
RG12/ 761/ Folio 114/ Page 35 - 64 Plymmleman Road, Hastings (St Mary in-the-Castle)
Will look on the other census soon as I have finished my Lunch.
Chris in 1066Land
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Norman
Here is the full page scan of the 1891 census
Name, Age in 1891, Birthplace, Relationship to head-of-house, Civil parish, County.
Cake, Agnes, 27, born London, Wife, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex
Cake, Beatrice E, 4, Hastings, Sussex, Daughter, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex
Cake, Frank, 2, Hastings, Sussex, Son, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex
Cake, Fredk C, 18days, Hastings, Sussex, Son, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex
Cake, William G, 28, Wembourne, Dorset, Head, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex
Cake, William G, 6, Portsmouth, Son, St Mary in the Castle, Sussex.
As William Senior was born in Dorset, and the oldest child was born in Portsmouth - it is highly likely they married in that part of the country in about 1885
Chris in 1066Land
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Norman
Checked the 1891 Sussex census . for your Cake Family - they are not there. (very few counties have been transcribed to date)
So went into the 1901 through the PRO (all counties transcribed - but it is a pay site - but only used the index part) to look for them - with limited results:
Found some of them in Portsmouth
William Cake, 39, born Wimboune, Dorset, Waiter.
William Cake, 16, born Wimborne, Dorset, Brewery Lad
Frank Cake, 12, Scholar, born Hastings, Sussex.
No sign of Agnes, Beatrice or young Fred.
Chris in 1066Land
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My sincere thanks for such a comprehensive response in such a short time. I had found a lot of Cake families in the Dorset area between the 1790's and 1880's but was unable to make any real connection. You have provided me with some good clues to chase. Thank you.
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Hi Chris
Hope you can help, I am looking for James Honeysett born c1830 in Ashburnham. The only information I can find is in the 1881 Census.
He is shown as living in Herstmonceux with wife Mary born Warbleton c1826 and his five sons born in Hooe, Ninfield and Herstmonceux.
Many thanks
Lel
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Hi Lel
Found your 1881 census entry
Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Disability
James HONEYSETT, Head, M, Male, 51, Ashburnham, Sussex, England, Carrier
Mary HONEYSETT, Wife, M, Female, 55, Warbleton, Sussex, England, Carriers Wife
George HONEYSETT, Son, U, Male, 23, Hooe, Sussex, England, Groom (D)
Henry HONEYSETT, Son, U, Male, 18, Hooe, Sussex, England, Painter
William HONEYSETT, Son, Male, 15, Ninfield, Sussex, England, Ag Lab
Edward HONEYSETT, Son, Male, 13, Herstmonceux, Sussex, England, Scholar
John HONEYSETT, Son, Male, 9, Herstmonceux, Sussex, England, Scholar
Source Information:
Dwelling Gardner Street
Census Place Herstmonceaux, Sussex, England
Family History Library Film 1341247
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1042 / 24
Page Number 6
Now come the problems.
Honeysett is quite a popular name in this part of Sussex and there are many variations of it:
Hunnisett, Hunset, Honeyset, Honeysett, Honneysett, Honnisett, Honesett, Honnesett, etc, etc.
If James was born 1830 (from age in 1881 Census) then would expect him to be 10 / 11 in 1841 depending on which side of the census he was born.
In the 1841 census there is a 11 year old James at Wartling, son of Robert & Mary and in the IGI, there is the following:
78. JAMES HUNNISETT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 AUG 1851 Wartling, Sussex, England
Married Mary Gander aged 24 – Father was William Gander; Groom was 22 - Father was Robert Hunnisett. (2 years difference in ages at marriage)
Your James and Mary have 4 years difference, although she is older than him as in the marriage above.
As yet, I have not been able to locate a Mary Gander in the 1841 with a father named William.
Have looked in the 1851 census, but not as yet managed to match up with your details. What we really need is the 1871, 1861, etc - then follow them backwards; but dont have access to them at home.
Not as yet been able to tie up the Ashburnham or Warbleton as shown in 1881 census - but all the places mentioned are with 5 - 10 miles of each other.
Will keep looking though
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Chris,
Some time ago I asked you for a look up for a Paffett family in Hastings. There was a family there, but not the one I was looking for.
Do you think you could possibly give me the info on that family, as I am finding that all the Paffetts around the country seem to be "mine", and I`m trying to work out where they originated. ???
Many thanks,
Bex ;D
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Hi Bex
Here is the 1841 entry - dont forget ages were rounded down to the nearest 5, so John and Caroline could be 21, 22, 23 or 24.
HO 107/ 1107/6 Folio's 17-22, Enumeration District 9 - West St Leonard
Fountain Cottage – Marina, St Leonards on Sea
PAFFETT John, 20, Fisherman – Not born in Sussex
Caroline, 20, born in Sussex
Henry, 5 weeks, born in Sussex
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Bex
Same family in 1851, but John has changed his birthplace, and Caroline obviously lied about her age in 1841, but at least little Henry is still living.
HO 107/ 1635/ Foilio 566/ Page 48- Market Passage, St Mary Magdalen Parish, St Leonards.
PAFFIT John, Head, Mar, 31, Labourer, born Hastings.
Caroline, Wife, 29, born Hastings
Henry, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, born Hastings
Mary A, Dau, Unm, 7, Scholar, born Hastings
John, Son, Unm, 5, born Hastings
David, Son, Unm, 3, born Hastings
Frederick, Son, Unm, 1, born Hastings
Market Passage was only a few yards from Fountain Cottages.
Chris in 106Land
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Many thanks Chris,
I`m not sure where they fit yet, but it`s just possible that John is the son of my Michael and Rebecca :)
Bex
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Hi Bex
Found this on line today - a name and address to write to in case they may have done research or be related - You never know.
(http://callisto.ggsrv.com/imgsrv/Fetch?banner=40a0ec82&digest=8742f19c4503e35a05872bd47fc39c55&contentSet=LT&recordID=0FFO-1983-OCT13-015-F&highlight=ff99ff+1+3782+5320+135+49+4287+5911+221+40&format=png&scale=0.330&highlight=ffffff+0+1358+1722+12+291&crop=1141+1717+453+301)
Chris in 1066Land
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Thanks very much for all the info Chris. The childrens names are all names that run in our family, so it looks promising!
I actually saw that article in the times, and wondered if I should write.
Thanks again,
Bex :)
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Many thanks for your quick response Chris I am really grateful.
I initially thought there might be a Gander connection but the spelling was incorrect. (I have since learnt not to take too much notice as all my surnames appear in various guises!) I am not totally convinced with my Gander theory hence further searching but I have been hitting brick walls. Could you tell me which would be the best library in East Sussex to access the censuses you suggest and I will try and make a day trip over.
Lelapsley(novice but learning fast!)
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Hi Lelapsley
The most obvious place is the East Sussex Record Office at The Maltings, Lewes where you will find all the Sussex Census on Film.
Also there are all the church registers, but most important of all there are books of Parish Register transcriptions freely available on the shelves in the searchroom.
This means you can check the various churches of Ashburnham, Wartling, Warbleton, etc, etc and follow their baptisms and marriages - possibly deaths as well.
I will still keep looking though - you never know, we may crack it together.
Chris in 1066Land
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Thanks you're a star!
Lel
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Hello Chris -
Would you please take a look at FRANT and see if there is an Edward Sales with a wife either Hannah or Emily. Ages i'm not sure about but by calcualtion 55 upwards.
I'm not sure if the ladies are one and the same or i'm looking at two Edwards with different wives.
Suey
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Hi Suey
These are the only Sales people on the 1841 census for Frant
Frant Hill, Frant.
SALES James, 50, Ag Lab, born Sussex
Sarah, 40, Sussex
Miriam, 15, Sussex
James, 14, Sussex
George, 12, Sussex
Henry, 10, Sussex
Stephen, 7, Sussex
Charles, 4, Sussex
Frederic, 4months, Sussex
Wells Road, Frant
SALES Thomas, 40, Ag Lab, Born Sussex
Elizabeth, 30, Sussex
Henry, 10, Sussex
Jacob, 8, Sussex
Samuel, 5, Sussex
David, 2, Sussex
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Again
The above two families are on the 1851 census in Frant .
Will post details if you can connect them with your family
Chris in 1066Land
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;D Chris - many thanks - I thought there would be a lot more Sales than that !
Not sure about James his is the only name I don't have on my 'Sales' list :-\
I'm pretty sure the Thomas and Elizabeth are mine, Thomas should be a brother to my Richard in Lewes 1851. Thomas married an Elizabeth Mepham in 1831 so looks good to me. The ages and birth of first child all fit - so yes please details would be good.
Suey