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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: KatieC on Tuesday 28 March 06 08:27 BST (UK)
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Can anyone read the first name of the witness on this death certificate?
It's -something- McGowan Son Present. I cant read the -something-
Thank you!
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First impression is William - but who knows ...
JAP
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Is it William McGlowan or McGouan ???
Certainly is 'son present'
Gadget
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I'd agree with William McGlowan!
Kerry :)
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Looking at the 'n' on the end of 'son', I would go for William McGonsin, but I think KatieC already knows it's McGowan, so I guess it's only the William that she needed and we all agree on that ??? ???
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I know for sure the last name is McGowan, as the name of the deceased was McGowan. I just couldnt make out the first name. William may be right, I just didnt have him on my list of children.
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Hi KatieC,
Looking at your previous posts, I take it that the parents are Thomas MCGOWAN and Agnes MCKECHNIE who married in 1845 in Gorbals.
The online IGI lists 8 children for them (including one - Bernard, 20 Aug 1864 - who was registered in both Hutchesontown and Dunoon & Kilmun which seems odd). Of these 8 children, only one is before the introduction of Statutory Registration (1855). So it rather looks as though there may well have been several children between the marriage (in 1845) and the first child recorded in the IGI (in 1854) - possibly including a William?
Do you have the family in the 1851 and 1861 censuses from ScotlandsPeople? If not, these could well include names of earlier children (assuming that there were some) - also, of course, ages and birthplaces.
Regards,
JAP
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Hi Katiec, I agree it looks like William. They did have a son William, here is the family in 1861 census index (Glasgow)
Census taken Hutchiestown.
Thomas McGowan age 41 born Ireland
Agnes (McKechnie) age 34 born Linlithgow
William age 14 born Gorbals
Agnes age 12 born Gorbals
Mary age 8 born Gorbals
Maria age 4 born Govan
Thomas A age 2 born Govan
Rosea F age 1 born Govan
Liz
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I too read William.
Following Capricorn's post i am sure it is William as the death cert then follows the tradition for the oldest child to take responsibility for registering deaths.
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Hi Capricorn,
That's good information!
From her previous posts, it seems that KatieC had Agnes (Agnes Liddell who married O'HARA) but not William or Mary.
So the MCGOWAN family now becomes:
From the 1861 census
William ca 1847 Gorbals
Agnes ca 1849 Gorbals
Mary ca 1853 Gorbals
From the IGI (OPR)
John McKechnie 1854 Gorbals
From the IGI (Statutory Register) before the 1861 census
Maria 1856 Hutchesontown (listed as Govan in the census)
Thomas 1858 Hutchesontown (listed as Govan in the census)
Rosanna Fletcher 1860 Hutchesontown (listed as Govan in the census)
From the IGI (Statutory Register) after the 1861 census
Margaret Adelaide Gray 1862 Hutchesontown
Bernard 1864 Hutchesontown (also registered in Dunoon & Kilmun, Argyll)
Elizabeth 1866 Govan
Peter McKechnie 1867 Govan
John McKechnie MCGOWAN is missing from the 1861 census - perhaps he did not survive. And, indeed, a free search on ScotlandsPeople finds the death of a John McKechnie MCGOWAN - and refining the parameters shows that he was aged 0 and the place was Hutchesontown.
There might, of course, have been a further child, or further children, pre-1854 who did not survive.
JAP
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wow thank you everyone. I didnt have William or Mary. I had Maria but I thought Mary/Maria were the same person.
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HI MY NAME IS PATRICK MCGOWAN, MY FAMILY ALL CAME FROM AROUND BAILLIESTON IN THE 1850S ARE AROUND THAT TIME I HAVE A DEATH CERT, OF PATRICK MCGOWAN KILLED IN A MINING ACC, AND HIS SON WAS PRESENT, AND ANOTHER ONE OF MARGARET MCGOWAN DIED 1862 AND HER SON WAS PRESENT,
PV MCGOWAN
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hi just seen the message, about william mcgowan, present, im one of the mcgowans and as far as i no williams father who was a miner died in his house,, also have o hara,s in family, they came from co. antrim in n.ireland and went to lanarkshire,, my granda,s brother patrick married a jane o hara who,s father was patrick o hara, born antrim,, if u need any help ill try and look up, p mcgowan
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hi katiec thats william mcgowan and he was reporting on patrick mcgowan who died after a mining acc. in 1857,, my name is patrick mcgowan and william was my g. uncle,
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hi katie im patrick mcgowan and i had a gg grandfather died 1857 he was from baillieston and he was buried from his sons housem the son was my g uncle and he was called william mcgowan. my email is (*)
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