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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: B.E. on Monday 27 March 06 20:01 BST (UK)
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Another branch of my wife's family goes back to Daniel Maggs (b.1795) and his wife Mary (b.1791).
Daniel (and/or Mary) must have been deeply religious, since they called their kids Elijah, Levi, Martha, Ephraim and... Jane!! Our link is through Ephraim. Source: 1851 census.
Can anyone get Mary's maiden name for me or does anyone know anything about the family that will get me back another generation?
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian, thought I would try 1841 in case there was anyone of interest in the household...pity
HO107/1176 Folio 4/8 Page 10
Hacklestone Tything
Hacklestone
Fittleton
MAGGS Daniel 40 Y (Yes born in County) Ag Lab
MAGGS Mary 40 Y
MAGGS Elijah 15 Y
MAGGS Jane 11 Y
MAGGS Levi 7 Y
MAGGS Martha 4 Y
MAGGS Ephraim 10 Months Y
same page
Hacklestone Manor House
home of William Bruges 45 - farmer
MAGGS Elisha 20 Y Ag Lab
this is the oldest person in the parish
HO107/1176 Folio 4/4 Page 2
Fittleton
Hacklestone
Fittleton
DREWITT John 20 Y Ag Lab (Ag Lab is ditto down erest of household and Edith even the 1 year old!)
DREWITT Eliza 20 Y
DREWITT Charles 3 Y
DREWITT George 4 Y
DREWITT Henry 1 Y
MAGGS Edith 72 Y
also household of George 40 and Mary, William 20 and Mary (not Georges son as he has a 15 year old)
Hope it helps....Kris :D
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Kris,
Thanks for that, despite there being no breakthrough information. A couple of questions, if I may:
1. I understand that the 1841 census involved the rounding down of ages to the nearest 5 years, but the discrepancies between the ages recorded here and in the 1851 census seems a bit extreme. In ten years Daniel has risen from 40 to 55 and Mary from 40 to 59! Any thoughts?
2. Do I take it that the 1841 census failed to record the relationships between members of the household? Thus we have no way of knowing who Edith Maggs was and why she was living in the Drewitt household?
I have to admit to being a less than assiduous researcher who often prefers the speculation to the facts. Thus, even if we can't establish the truth of the matter, I can readily form a picture of Daniel and Mary in their little hovel running out of room as they extend their family and gradually kicking the older kids out. Goodness only knows where Abraham, Noah and Methuselah ended up, but it looks as though Elisha went over the road to the big house and maybe Eliza was ordered to take Granny Maggs with her when she married John Drewitt (the deal was that Granny would help with the harvest - or at least babysit while Eliza did!!). Wow, Elisha, Elijah and Eliza all under the same roof? And sister Martha was recorded in 1851 as being deaf - great fun for lip-reading when they all came round on Mothering Sunday, that!
Cheers,
Brian
PS: I didn't get your last sentence. What is George's surname? Who can't be George's son because "he" (who?) already has a 15 year old?
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Sorry Brian it isn't Me Honest ;) ...1841 census has many shortfalls. No POB is listed only born in or outside the County. Relationships are not listed, adult names are rounded down in 5 year blocks therefore Daniel listing as 40 should be between 40 and 44....Now Mary if she was close to 45 she would appear as 40 and come next census you get a discrepancy. We don't know who provided the information to the enumerator! so we often get large discrepancies unfortunately. I have one of my main couples who between 1841 and 1851 he ages only one year while she ages 17 years to go from a big age difference between this couple om 1841 to suddenly being nearly the same age in 1851 (definitely the same family) No wonder I can't confirm him.
Perhaps parish records will help you. You can order Parish Records in to your local LDS family history centre worldwide for very little cost and hopefully sort it all out. I did mention the other Maggs on the parish in case it helped you sort out your family...there is George MAGGS and family with a son (presumably) William aged 15 so I was just pointing out that the other William listing as aged 20 probably wasn't his so may be one of yours....Kris :D
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Kris,
Thanks for the additional information.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian, my name is Brian too and I have traced myself back to Daniel Maggs. I have just stumbled across your posting whilst doing some research prior to a visit to the records office in Trowbridge to try and go back further than Daniel and to find Mary's maiden name.
I have not got back any further than you have on the Maggs side. I would be most interested in sharing research details with you and in seeing how I and your wife are related.
Bye for now,
Brian G.
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Brian,
Yes, let's share what we have - I've seen your post to the Green thread, so I can see where you now fit! I'll send you a personal message so we don't bore everyone else rigid...
Cheers,
Brian
PS: My wife and I drove through Fittleton/Haxon today. I dropped by the churchyard to try a bit of grave-spotting, but nothing to show for it - I guess the Maggses were either too darn poor or too darn wicked for a gravestone!!
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Hi Brian, I will look forward to hearing from you.
Did you get up to Trowbridge to get more info??
We have not been to Haxton yet but have been to Winterslow (last year). With regards to the lack of gravestones, I am sure that it must have been the lack of money ;) and not the latter!!!
I have now found your posting re the Snooks too. My wife's side came from the Beaulieu area. I already have some Snooks in my records!!
Bye for now,
Brian G
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Hi Brian,
did you ever resolve your questions about the Maggs family? I am descended through John Drewitt & Eliza Maggs so have looked at some information on this. Happy to share if it is of interest.
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Suzie,
Thanks for your input. We moved on a bit after that last discussion (you can see it's several months ago and I haven't touched this family tree since about last April), but I'm always interested in extra (or confirmed) info. Maybe you and I should take this offline so as not to bore anyone to death - and then make a post later if we find we come up with anything new between us?
I'm going to send you a personal message.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Suzie, it is good to hear from you.
I will leave my namesake to liase with you but could you copy any new developments to me as well please.
Brian has my email address.
Bye for now,
Brian G.
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Hi
Haven't been back to this board for a while but noticed your post today. I'm connected via the Drewitt route (John Drewitt was my Grt x3 grandfathers brother) . Eliza Maggs c 31 Oct 1824 Fittleton, Wiltshire was the daughter of James Maggs abt1795 Fittleton, Wiltshire & Ann ? B abt 1799 Wiltshire. Her grandmother who was living with her and her husband John Drewitt & family in 1841 - was Edith Unknown B abt 1769 Wiltshire her husband was James Maggs b abt 1768 Wiltshire.
Daniel spelt DANYEL in th Fittleton Baps is down as being bap 11 Sept 1796 bbs of Ann Mags.
Other baptisms found for Daniel & Mary as follows
Elijah 8 Aug 1828 Fittleton
Elisha 30 Sept 1821 Fittleton
William 10 May 1818
Hope its of help
M
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Hi Mak. It is great to hear from you. We have traced our family back through Daniel Maggs 1794, Ann Maggs 1770 to William Maggs and his wife Betty.
I already have James Maggs 1768 in a separate database along with lots of other Maggs'. I see that his parents were William Maggs and Elizabeth Brazier. I had not considered before now that the mother of Ann Maggs is Elizabeth Brazier. Is that what you have? If not, have you tied Ann Maggs 1770 into your family in any other way?
Bye for now,
Brian G
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Hi Brian
I didn't have James Maggs 1768 parents. I have the Fittleton Baps & Burs and gleamed some Maggs info from there. But it was a little confusing as sometimes it was Betty and then Elizabeth then James Snr James jnr! Have only just touched on this side when I realised there was an Eliza Maggs in the Drewitt camp.
Still keeping with Maggs have you got any info on Sidney Ernest Maggs going back - who married a Daisy Sheppard B 1907 Ablington, Wiltshire (Daisy is also a descendant from a Drewitt who was John Drewitts brother! breathe)
Many thanks
Mak
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Hi again Mak. Upon reflection, I think that I did decide that the William and Betty family was different from the William and Elizabeth family. Both families had a Sarah; one born 1773 and the other born 1779. It is possible that the first one died so they named a later child after the one that they lost. I think, however, that the vicar was showing that there were two similar families and was trying to avoid them being confused.
I don't have a copy of the Fittleton baptisms and burials but did study the one in Trowbridge. Unless you spot anything to the contrary I thing it best to assume that there were two couples. They would probably tie in a bit further back but I doubt if we will be able to work out how they do.
Can you view Gedcom files on your home computer? If so, if you would care to give me your email address, I can send you a copy of what I have worked out. I can also send copies of some of the entries in the registers.
No, I don't have any info on Sidney Ernest Maggs, unfortunately.
Bye for now,
Brian
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(This is B.E. trading under a new moniker!!)!
I've lost track of Mary Elizabeth Green (nee Maggs) b.1865, who ought by rights to have been living with her spouse, Charles, and children, including Gladys Maude, b.1903, at 7 Manor Terrace, Portswood, Southampton. I had the impression (from family folklore) that she was still alive at that time.
One possibility is that she was "confined" with her newborn daughter, Mary Octavia - I note that Mary Octavia's census record is flagged "Institution".
Can anyone help me out? Better still, can anyone find a death record for Mary Elizabeth Green, presumably in the Southampton area?
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Hi Brian
I'm a Maggs and I have traced my family back to Daniel son of Ann Maggs (unmarried ?). Not sure of her parentage William and Betty or Elizabeth ? have you any information on this.
My branch of the family is through Edward Charles son of Ephraim.
Cheers
Tony
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Tony,
Sorry, I haven't been able to go any further back than the unmarried Ann Mags (Daniel is described as "bbs" which indicates his mother was unmarried). It seems that Betsy, Betty, Eliza and Elizabeth were used interchangeably - where did you find Ann's parents?
Edward Charles must have been Mary Elizabeth's brother. She was born/baptised at Northam, Southampton, in 1867.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Are you Brian Green and do you live in or near Southampton.
I grew up in Southampton but now live in Norfolk.
Yes Edward Charles was Mary Elizabeth brother and from my information she had three other sisters and 3 other brothers. I have more information on Ephraim and Rhoda Elizabeth Maggs their parents that I can send you if you let me have your email address.
I can't remember at the moment where I got the information on Ann's Parents but it is not confirmed at present.
Tony