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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: cristobel on Monday 27 March 06 13:21 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Hoping someone may be able to assist knocking down my brick wall.
I'm trying to hunt down the following births:
Surname - Johnson
Mary Jane b. 4/12/1856
William b. 30/8/1858
Robert b. 5/9/1861
John b. 27/2/1865
James b. 24/2/1870
Charles b. 6/7/1872
Thomas b. 27/12/1874
There may also have been a Margaret -no birth date known.
All are children of William Ferdinand Ludwig Johnson & Margaret Johnson (nee Ryan) . Most of the children married in SA, but I cant find any birth details. I'm wondering if they were born in Vic or NSW.
William F.L. came from Denmark and his surname may have been Johannsen or similar and he changed it to Johnson on arrival in Aust. He died in SA in 1887 age 68. His wife Margaret came from Ireland, & died in SA in 1919 age 82. I haven't got a marriage for William and Margaret either, at least not in SA.
Here's hoping someone can shed some light.
Cheers, C
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Hello,
Hoping someone may be able to assist knocking down my brick wall.
I'm trying to hunt down the following births:
Surname - Johnson
Mary Jane b. 4/12/1856
William b. 30/8/1858
Robert b. 5/9/1861
John b. 27/2/1865
James b. 24/2/1870
Charles b. 6/7/1872
Thomas b. 27/12/1874
There may also have been a Margaret -no birth date known.
All are children of William Ferdinand Ludwig Johnson & Margaret Johnson (nee Ryan) . Most of the children married in SA, but I cant find any birth details. I'm wondering if they were born in Vic or NSW.
William F.L. came from Denmark and his surname may have been Johannsen or similar and he changed it to Johnson on arrival in Aust. He died in SA in 1887 age 68. His wife Margaret came from Ireland, & died in SA in 1919 age 82. I haven't got a marriage for William and Margaret either, at least not in SA.
Here's hoping someone can shed some light.
Cheers, C
Dear Ceebut,
There were 18 births in NSW to parents named William and Margaret Johnson, between period searched 1855-1875.
Of the 18 births, there was a Margaret Johnson born 1855.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
click on 'family history'
click on 'search historical indexes'
click on 'search now'
click on 'birth and death records' or 'marriage records'.
This search is for free.
You might also like to check the National Archives of Australia for when your ancestors arrived in Australia.
http://www.naa.gov.au/
click on 'record search',
click on 'search now as a guest', and then enter your keywords or dates.
In addition, below is a link to an excellent website 'Western Australian Genealogical Society' with many links to other sites all over Australia.
http://www.wags.org.au/genisite.htm
Hope some of this info was helpful.
Allycat, Queensland, Australia.
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Where did you get their birth dates from
could they have married before coming to OZ
have you an address in S.A.
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Hi allycat & flinders
Thanks for your replies.
I have an Old Testament owned by Thomas Johnson with the birth dates of his brothers & sisters.
I have the death certificate of his mother, Margaret Johnson and I've found burial info for his father William Ferdinand Ludwig Johnson - both died in SA.
I've no idea where they married or where the children were born. Some of the children went to school in SA.
I don't know in which state they entered Aust, and because I cant find any marriage and birth details here in SA, I thought Vic or NSW would be the next place to search. I cant get to a public library (at least not in the next few weeks) as I dont live near a major city. But when I do, I've got a loooong list !!!
The next place I'll have to look is to see if they married before coming to Aust. Thanks for your help.
Cheers, C
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no marrige or births in Victoria
What was the address on death certificate
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Hi flinders
The death cert for Margaret Johnson says she resided at Williamstown SA, which is near the Barossa Valley. She died in Gawler Hospital age 82 in 1919. Widow of the late William Johnson. She was 20 when married & had been living in the colony for 64 years. Place of birth - Ireland, county not known. She was a pensioner.
Perhaps Margaret & William never married ?
Cheers, C
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have you williams death certificate to see how long he had been in the colonies, alos one the childrens death certificate might say where they were born perhaps
regards jenn
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hi
was just looking through your info on william and margaret johnson. I am trying to locate info on a Thomas Johnson born 1874 in mt crawford sa. There is no birth record of this Thomas however going on info from his marriage cert his father was William. Was hoping you may have more info on this family. My Thomas Johnson was my great great grandfather and he married Alice Howe in Salisbury SA
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Hello and Welcome to Rootschat,
I could not locate birth in SA that would match the time frame and father William. tried under variants of spelling as well.
It is possible your Thomas may have been born interstate or overseas.
Do you know where and when he died
It would better if you started a new topic.
Jenn
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Hi deby32,
First of all apologies for not replying to Jenn way back in '06, soon after I joined R/C.
Welcome to Rootschat, deby32. It appears we are talking about the same Johnson family. Great how these things pop up unexpectedly. :)
I will PM you with some details.
Cheers, Chris.
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I have explained to deby32 about 3 posts/personal messages etc.
Chris.
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Hi Chris
thanks for the info re 3 posts/personal messages
Deb
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Hello ther
I don't know what information has been found since but I fave found these two births
GONSEN Mary Jane 4/12/1856 at Blumberg
father Wilhelm GONSEN and Margaret Kornway
Symbol V Book 9 Page 172
GANZEN Ludwig Wilhelm Ferdinand 30/8/1858 t Blumberg
father William GANZEN mother Margaret CORNWINE
Book 14 Page 200
Perhaps Johnson was the "english" name
Jenn
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Hi
thats interesting cause my aunt had william johnson and margaret conway as the parents of the children listed for william johnson and margaret ryan as above
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Yes I thought it was too much of a coincidence,
Do you have death deails for William Johnson, you mentioned Margaret had died at Gawler hospital.
thanks Jenn
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Hi again,
I have more information on the Johnson family since first posting this request in 06. :)
Their BDM's were sometimes under GONSEN/YANZEN/JOHNSTON/JOHNSTONE etc etc. But I still have some some unanswered questions too.
I will PM Deb with some more recent information so as not to include any living relatives.
Cheers, Chris.
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Ok no worries will not do any further research
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi Jenn
Thanks for the birth - GANZEN William 30 Aug 1858. I had his baptism as Jan 1859, where his parents are listed as William Johnson and Margaret CONVEY, but I didn't have the birth, except what had been written in the little New Testament. So thank you -another blank spot has been filled in ;D And another variation in the spelling !!
Cheers, Chris.
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no I have nothing about William still not sure if this william is my Thomas Johnston father only going on a suggestion of another researcher
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Children born to Alice HOWE and THOMAS JOHNSON up to 1906 in South Australia
Bridget Ann 8/1/1896 at Gawler Plains 578/284
Ellen 12/3/1897 at Para Plains 600/6
Esther 17/5/1900 at Rosewater 658/380
Margaret Alice 24/8/1901 at Rosewater 680/498
Irene 4/3/1904 at Rosewater 725/313
Alice 28/5/1905 at Rosewater 759/146
Jenn
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Hello Jen
Yes these children of Thomas Johnson and Alice howe were my great aunts I knew one of them the rest had past away when i was very young. I have the childrens information and some on Thomas but nothing on Great grandma alice howe
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A possible birth in South Australia
HOWE Alice born 17/1/1875 at Allendale East
Father John Howe and mother Sarah Elizabeth CORBELL
Book 146 Page 393 Symbol X
Also listed under Alice Howe CORBELL
The couple didn’t marry until 1884 and had a number of children after Alice before they married
John Howe aged 31 and single Father John Howe
Married
Sarah CORBELL aged 26 and single father John Corbell
25/2/1884 at the Holy Cross church Mount Gambier
Book138 page 662
Did you have Alice Howes birth date by any chance?
Jenn
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Hi Jen
I was convinced this was my alice Howe but further research revieled she wasnt. Alice was born at Thebarton SA I dont have her birth date and marriage and death certificates are a bit conflicting. I believe she was born around 1872- 1876. I have found a James Howe son of John Howe whom had children in the Buton SA area. On Thomas and Alice marriage cert it states they were living at Burton at the time of their marriage. I have a hunch her father was John Howe and her mother Bridget Teague but nothing confirmed.
Thanks Deby
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Interesting taht there are only two births recorded for that couple the last in 1860
Jenn
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yes found John and James only explanation I have been given is that they were catholic and that catholic families were not always keen to register births. Big mystery
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Hello,
Mary Ann is Registered as Gonsen, William (My mother's G'father) is Ludwig Wilhelm Ferdinand Ganzen, he died in 1951 as Johansen - buried Langmeil Tanunda I live in Adelaide SA
Hello,
Hoping someone may be able to assist knocking down my brick wall.
I'm trying to hunt down the following births:
Surname - Johnson
Mary Jane b. 4/12/1856
William b. 30/8/1858
Robert b. 5/9/1861
John b. 27/2/1865
James b. 24/2/1870
Charles b. 6/7/1872
Thomas b. 27/12/1874
There may also have been a Margaret -no birth date known.
All are children of William Ferdinand Ludwig Johnson & Margaret Johnson (nee Ryan) . Most of the children married in SA, but I cant find any birth details. I'm wondering if they were born in Vic or NSW.
William F.L. came from Denmark and his surname may have been Johannsen or similar and he changed it to Johnson on arrival in Aust. He died in SA in 1887 age 68. His wife Margaret came from Ireland, & died in SA in 1919 age 82. I haven't got a marriage for William and Margaret either, at least not in SA.
Here's hoping someone can shed some light.
Cheers, C
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Hi Rock C,
Yes, I had found the birth of Mary Ann under 'Gonsen'.
I had her father as Willhelm (William) Ferdinand Ludwig and mother as Margaret Conway. Thery married in 1856. Initially I thought that Margaret Ryan was the mother, but this proved to be incorrect.
Willhelm and Margaret had a son William - is this your line of the family.
And welcome to Rootschat - I hope you'll find it as helpful as I have. :)
Cheers, Chris.
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Hi,
Yes, that is my line. Some of Thomas's line is in Queensland (He was born as Jansen) The parents got married actually on the 8 apr 1855 at Catholic Church West Terrace in Adelaide His father come over from Germany as Jansen (But changed it to Johnson, although one relative uses Johnstone) on the Wandrahm from Varel and is most probably Swedish has the wide variation in surname.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for that info. Wonderful to find some new details for Willhelm.
I have William down as marrying Georgina Millington Gower. I've never been able to find a death or burial for William. I have a death date for Georgina, but no place of burial.
Cheers, Chris.
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This birth is could be hers, but a fellow researcher has her parents as John (Who come out on the Oithona and landed at Portland in 1855) and Bridget Teague. As one of her daughters is named Bridget Ann it leads weight to this being so.
Peter
A possible birth in South Australia
HOWE Alice born 17/1/1875 at Allendale East
Father John Howe and mother Sarah Elizabeth CORBELL
Book 146 Page 393 Symbol X
Also listed under Alice Howe CORBELL
The couple didn’t marry until 1884 and had a number of children after Alice before they married
John Howe aged 31 and single Father John Howe
Married
Sarah CORBELL aged 26 and single father John Corbell
25/2/1884 at the Holy Cross church Mount Gambier
Book138 page 662
Did you have Alice Howes birth date by any chance?
Jenn
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Peter,
I have Thomas as marrying Alice Howe and William Johnson as marrying Georgina Millington Gower. Is William who married Georgina the one you mention as being buried at Tanunda?
Chris
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Yes So I have connections through to both the Millingtons and the Gowers. As JE Gower died on the 18 Jan 1884 at Williamstown (4 Children born, two married). W Johnson & George Ann were married on the 12 Mar 1887 at St George Church Gawler. My G'Father was Charles John Johnson.
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Hello Peter,
I had 5 children for JE Gower and Georgina:-
Edith born 1875
Constance Ellen 1876
Herbert John 1878
George William 1881
Lydia Ann 1883
Then I've got 6 children born to William Johnson & Georgina:
William born 1887
Male child born 1889
Rosie born 1890
James Millington born 1893
Elsie May 1895
Adeline Mary 1897
Do you know if all these births are correct?
Chris.
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Gower is correct, William had 8 Children, the last two are my Uncle William George born 1899 and my G'Father Charles John (Johny) born 30 Jun1901. William's birth not in State cIndex but up at Gawler and he died in WW1.
Hello Peter,
I had 5 children for JE Gower and Georgina:-
Edith born 1875
Constance Ellen 1876
Herbert John 1878
George William 1881
Lydia Ann 1883
Then I've got 6 children born to William Johnson & Georgina:
William born 1887
Male child born 1889
Rosie born 1890
James Millington born 1893
Elsie May 1895
Adeline Mary 1897
Do you know if all these births are correct?
Chris.
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Peter, Just wondering if you have the exact date of death for William Johnson - who married Georgina.
I will send you a PM (personal Message). If you click on the green scroll on the left side of the screen under your name, this will enable you to send personal messages.
Cheers, Chris.
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Hi Peter and Chris,
I note Peter mentions the "WANDRAHM". Departed Hamburg 23 Apr 1854 arriving Pt Adelaide 8 Aug 1854
emigration states
JANSEN Wilhelm (no age listed) a kaufmann (businessman, trader) from Varel in Oldenburg
Cheers Kris :)
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Yes, I have been assured by my Qld Relative that he is the one.
Hi Peter and Chris,
I note Peter mentions the "WANDRAHM". Departed Hamburg 23 Apr 1854 arriving Pt Adelaide 8 Aug 1854
emigration states
JANSEN Wilhelm (no age listed) a kaufmann (businessman, trader) from Varel in Oldenburg
Cheers Kris :)
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hi everyone
i have just found out that most of the information i gave Peter is wrong and we think that Alice Howe was from Mt Gambier because we have found the birth records and a family member has found her certificate.
Hope this will help you all out
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Hello glen56
Welcome to Rootschat. Good to see more Johnson family information coming forward. :)
Are you able to give the details from the birth record for Alice Howe please.
Cheers, Chris.
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Hi there Kris,
Thanks for the dates for the "Wandrahm". Was Willhelm Jansen travelling alone?
I'm sure you would have mentioned it, if there were other 'Jansen' family on board. :)
Cheers, Chris.
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The marriage for Alice Howe and Thomas Johnson in 1896 lists her father as John Howe and his father as William Johnson.
Cheers, Chris.
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Hi Chris,
Yes he appears to be travelling alone. (Sorry meant to say) No other Jansen's or like on board. Only one other person on board was from Varel and they do not appear to be travelling together. Heinrick SIELING a Backer (Baker)
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Chris
can you tell me how you are connect in the Johnson family ?
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Hello glen56
I am connected through one of the children of William (Willhelm) and Margaret Johnson.
(see my very first post)
I will send you a PM
Cheers, Chris.
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Glen56,
You need to have 3 posts on the board before you are able to send personal messages (PM) then you can click on the green scroll on the left hand side of the screen.
I have sent you a quick PM.
Cheers, Chris.
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Hi Chris
I am new to this so I am not sure what you are talking about
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Hi there Glen56,
Well done. :) I have received your PM and I will get back to your shortly.
Cheers, Chris.
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glen56,
I have sent another PM. Perhaps when we have some more facts, we can post them on the board for others to see.
Chris