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I have the indexes for Bethnal Green. Gives all names, ages and place of birth.
Please send personal message. I have caratacts which make it hard to look at the compuer. I will try to answer as soon as possible/
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When you have a moment, would you be kind enough to see if you have any GREENEs in Bethnal Green?
Many thanks
lsp
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Hello Isp
There are lots of Green families. Only one Greene and that has a question mark. Ann Greene? age 50. You should not stick too closely to the ones with an e as the name would be changed by whoever wrote it.
If you give me some names and possibly ages I can look at those.
Sylviaann
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Sylviaann
Many thanks for your reply - I apologise for the delay in acknowledging it.
I must admit that my request was a long-shot - as you know, we amateur genealogists have to make the most of any opportunities that present themselves!
Whilst I do not have any specific details of GREENE family members in Bethnal Green in 1851, it occurred to me that I might just find my elusive gggGreat Grandfather, David Polhill GREENE, lurking in Bethnal Green!
He died in 1854 - age 70 years - in Somers Town and I cannot find him in the 1851 Census at the address shown on his Death Certificate (Union Street, St Pancras).
One of these days, he'll turn up on a census and I will finally get a clue as to his birthplace - fingers crossed!
Many thanks again for the trouble you have gone to.
Best wishes
lsp
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Sorry the only David Green was aged 2. I looked at David Polhill just in case it had been misindexed but there was no-one there.
Hope you find him soon
Sylviaann
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Sylviaann
I think I'm getting the hang of this now! Kazza will be relieved; o)
Thanks again for the further checks you have made - they are much appreciated.
Best wishes
lsp
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Hi
Would you mind looking for a Benjamin Riggs for me please with Wife Harriet. They married in Bethnal Green in 1849, so I'm hoping to find them still in the area. 1861/71 they were living in Globe Rd, Benjamin was a shoemaker
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Hello
Is this your Benjamin and Elizabeth?
Benjamin Riggs age 36 born Shoreditch St Leonard
Harriett Riggs age 26 born Shoreditch St Leonard
Folio 418
1851 Census BETHNAL GREEN - Sub-district HACKNEY ROAD (P.R.O. Ref. HO 107/1539)
Enumeration District 19 No. of Persons 590 Folios 415 - 430
All that part of the Parish of Bethnal Green within the Ecclesiastical District of St Thomas comprising RAVENSCROFT STREET, east side of BATH STREET, BARNET STREET, west side of BATH STREET, JAMES STREET, PROVIDENCE PLACE, BATH STREET south side including the COURTS
Sorry I can't tell you the actual street.
Hope this helps
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Hi
Thanks very much they probably are, there ages fluctuate all the time, he was 42 when he married in 1849, she was only 19, so they were obviously a bit on the fairytale side on the census.
Thats great.
Diane
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Hi isp,
I think I'm getting the hang of this now! Kazza will be relieved ;o )
;D ;D
I am always happy to lend a hand where needed, sometimes even where not.
Kazza. ;)
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Hi,
Would you mind looking for a Benjamin Kendal Govey born approx 1802 and his wife Elizabeth born unknown, and their daughter Caroline b 1843 Bethnal Green and John Thomas Norris born 1842 Bethnal Green please
Thank you very much
Regards
Bev
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Sorry I couldn't find your Govey family although there are a few Goveys living in Bethnal Green.
I found the following Norris family which could be yours but may not be.
Bethnal Green sub district Church
PRO bundle HO 107/1541 folio 483
John Norris age 30 born Holborn St Andrew or St George the Martyr
Mary Ann age 31 born Born Bethnal Green
John Norris age 9 born Mile End
Sarah age 7 born Mile End
Jane age 4 born Bethnal Green St Matthew
Tomas age 1 Bethnal Green St Matthew
folio 447 - 503
St James the Great: Squirries Street, Robert Street, South Street, Harts Lane (East side), Brady's Buildings, William Street
St Matthew: Gossett Street (from Gibralta Walk), King Street, Daniel Street, Cross Street, Harts Lane (West side)
Hope this helps
Sylvia
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Not sure if this lot are going to be in Bethnal Green or Shoreditch.
Not the most common of names, to be sure.
Richard Manhead (47 in 1871 so 27 in 1851) + wife Honor 48 in 1871
Logsdail (the earliest I have is 1853, but if any are found, I'll either have 'em or eliminate them from the enquiry)
Thanks,
Pauline
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Hi,
Could you look to see if there are any Holts or Hardys on the census? I am looking in particular for:
Thomas Henry HOLT- born in 1833 (parents possibly Samuel and Susannah HOLT)
John HARDY- son, Henry, and daughter, Elizabeth who was born in 1838. Elizabeth was supposedly raised by an aunt named ASWELL, so if you see that name, that would be much appreciated also.
I suspect they may be in Bethnal Green at this time, as Thomas Henry and Elizabeth get married there in 1856.
Thank you!
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:)Sylvia
Thanks very much Sylvia, for looking up on Bethnal Green 1851 Census for Norris and Govey, Yes, you have found my Norris! You said there are a few Goveys living in Bethnal Green and please can I have the details of the Govey who living in Bethnal Green.
Thank you
Bev ;D
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Other Goveys
Bethnal Green Church district HO 107/1641 folio161
all born Bethnal Green St Matthew
Benjamin Govey age 37
Margaret age 33
Benjamin age 9
William age 7
Margaret age 5
Esther ahe 4
Ann age 3
Hackney Road district
HO 107/1539 folio415/416
William Govey age 40 born Cripplegate
Jane age 35 born St Marylebone
Farie(f) ??? age 10 born Shoreditch
Mary Ann age 7 born Bethnal Green
Wm Henry age 4 bethnal green
Elizth age 3 bethnal green
Green district ho 107/1540 folio 532
Alfred age 10 born Stepney St Dunstan
Charles age 37 born Poplar all saints
Edward age 5 born Stepney
Elizabeth age 34 born Surrey
Elizabeth age 12 born Stepney
Emma age 8 Stepney
Louisa age 3 Stepney
also
Mary age 76 born Spitalfields folio 294
Sylvia
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would you mind looking for a Montague Kelly/kelley. He may be a cricket bat maker. He should be about 24. Also are there any Morrants/Morants who are clergyman/
I am extremely grateful.
thankyou
Louise
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Sorry no Montague Kelley/Kelly in Bethnal Green
Sylvia
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Hello!
If you have a chance, would you mind looking for a James Sandford in the census?
Thank you!
Brenda
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Hello xpress4
You did not give me any ages but I found the following.
Bethnal Green 1851 Church district HO 107/1541 folio 289
James Sanford age 23 born St Lukes
Susan Sanford age 25 born St Matthew Bethnal Green
James Sanford age 1 born Hoxton
Hope this is the right family
Sylviaann
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Hi,
My ancestors was a chemist and lived in Bethnal Green in 1863. Is he there in 1851? Love to know. He would have been c17 years. His name is Henry Griffith WATERS.
Huge thanks. Can return the favour with the 1891 census but I have not index.
Cheers,
Sharon
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Sharon
Sorry no Henry Waters in Bethnal Green 1851.
They did move around London a lot in those days/
Sylvia
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Huge thanks - I would have had to read the entire film to get the same result!
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Hello ,Thanks for your kind offer of lookups in Bethnal Green.I am looking for Philip James Goddard who may have been living in the home of his father John Goddard and Emma Chapman who would have been living with her father James Chapman,Thanks Kate
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Hello Kate
You didn't give me any approximate ages but there was no Emma in the same household as James Chapman. There was an Emma aged 10 where the head of house seems to be Ann aged 43.
There was no Philip Goddard. There was a James aged 5 living with John aged 29. In Bethnal Green Church district.
HP 107/1541 folio 528
The family is
John Goddard aged 29 born Wil?
Caroline aged 27 born Bethnal Green
James aged 5 born Behtnal Green
John C aged 3 born Bethnal Green
Hope this helps
Sylvia
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Would this census cover Whitechapel & whitefriars?
If so please could I take you up on your kind offer for a search on Thomas Henry COONE his wifes name is Adelaide nee Barham. In 1862 they lived at 1 Asher ( e) Terrace court, Whitefriars. Thats all the info I have I'm afraid ( taken from birth cert. of their son ).
Thank you very much for your time and trouble.
Much Happiness
from an ex east ender : )
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Hello Daisy Dee
Bethnal Green does not cover Whitechapel or Whitefriars but I looked at the index anyway. I'm afraid there was no-one with the name Coone.
I have a surname only index for St George in the East and I did find one Coone in the St Mary District. If you are able to view a film of the census the reference is HO 107/1547 folio 147
St George in the East is next to Whitechapel and families did move around a lot.
Sylvia
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Thank you very much for your time and trouble - very kind of you
Much happiness
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Hi Sylviaann
Could you be kind enough to look up a James Hunter. From the 1891 census he was born in Bethnal Green and 51 years of age, which would make him about 10 yrs of age in 1851. Thanking you in advance.
All the best
Sandra
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Hello Sandra
Is this him?
Richard Hunter 46
Ann Hunter 13
James Hunter 8
Richard Hunter 6
All born Bethnal Green St Matthew Dist
Bethnal Green Church district pro bundle ho 107/1541 folio 171
The nearest I can get to a Street
Sub district Church folio 169-189
Little Collingwood Street, Foster Street, York Place, Duke Street, East side only Wellington Street. (ST Bartholomews)
The only other James Hunter was 41. Don't know where the mother was if she was still alive.
Sylvia
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Sylvia
That's great! It must be him, because he did have a younger brother called Richard staying with him in 1891. Thanks for looking him up for me.
All the best
Sandra
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William and Elizabeth (bc1805) Gower were married in Stepney but may have moved to Bethnal Green by 1851. I would be grateful if you could check your index. Thanks.
Richard
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Sorry, William and Elizabeth not in Bethnal Green 1851.
Sylviaann
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Hello,
I wonder if you could help me out with your Bethnal Green census. I am trying to find Annie SMITH, who was married in B G in 1854. All I know about her is that hse was born in Scotland about 1835, and her father was James SMITH, a "Carrier".
Thanks very much,
John
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Sorry no Ann or Annie Smith born in Scotland.
I do sympathise with you. I have a Thomas Anderson Smith. I managed to get back because he had a middle name but his father was just Thomas and there were hundreds on the IGI born about the right time.
Sorry
Sylviaann
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Hello Sylviaann,
Thanks very much for looking anyway - at least I know ehre she wasn't!
Thanks again,
John
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Hi Sylviaann
I don't have a lot to go on, but I am looking for the family of John Joseph Dowsett, born circa 1837 at Bethnal Green. His Father was Henry Dowsett and he was a Traveller. Thanks.
Lilibet
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Hello Lillibet
No Henry Dowsett in Bethnal Green but I did find
Joseph age 14? born Bethnal Green Hackney Road Sub-district HO 107/1539 folio 182
This could be your John Joseph living with a different family. I'm afraid you will have to look at the original to see the record.
Sylviaann
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Hi could you look for Thomas William Foreman and his wife Sarah Elizabeth please. Thomas was born around 1784 in Shoreditch.
Thanks
Di
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Thanks Sylviaann for taking the trouble. It was a long shot anyway.
Cheers
Lilibet
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Hi.
Thank you for your kind offer. Could you please look up a Matthew Taylor and his wife Sarah (nee Bouchard). They would be aged around late 60s. Sarah was born in Bethnal Green so I am hoping they may still be around there.
Irene
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Sorry no Matthew or Sarah Taylor or Tayler or Tailer
There was a Sarah aged 60 but she was born in Lancashire.
Sylviaann
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Hi
Thank you for the lookup. Very much appreciated.
Irene
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Hello,
Can you please tell me if you have ATTLE on the list HENRY,
Thanks Jennie
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Sorry no Henry Attle.
There is a Joseph aged 37 and his family, a John aged 40 and his family, a Susana aged 61, and a Thomas aged 37 and his family. If you want more details of these families send me a message.
Sylviaann
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If you get a chance to help me. I found out two days ago that my Great Grandparents Oliver FRATER and Ellen BUTLER married in St James the GREAT in 1869. At that time they lived in 10 South Street and 3 South Street reepectively. I presume with their parents (fathers) James FRATER and George BUTLER respectively.
I do not know the area or how long the family were there. Please can you help by telling me if they exist in your census indexes.
Many Thanks
Kerry
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Kerry
Sorry no Fraters at all and no Ellen Butler in 1851 Bethnal Green.
Sylviaann
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Hello,
Thanks for info on Attle.
Please could i have details on these people and their
families.
Thanks so much.
Regards Jennie
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Thanks you for searching for me.
Regards
Kerry
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hi kerry
I am researching Butlers London,but not doing to good,However I have 1881 census for address-
94 Islington Rd, London,Middlesex
Oliver Frater Born St Pancreas age 30 head
Ellen Frater Born Middlesex age 28 Wife
Ellen Frater Born Middlesex age 11 Dau
William Frater Born Middlesex age 6 son
Goerge Frater Born Middlesex age 4 son
James Frater Born Middlesex age 3
Oliver Frater Born Middlesex age 3 Months
Oliver and Ellen were married 1869 Bethnall Green
Ellen would have only been 16-17 years of age
I can not find either of them in 1851\61\71
I guess you already know all this but I thought .Just in case it would help.
Regards Anna
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Thanks for the details. I have to admit, I've had a break through recently. I recently found the granddaughter of my grandfather's sister. She had the marriage cert. of our Gt Grandparents Oliver FRATER & Ellen BUTLER.
They were married 21 Mar 1869 in The Church, Parish St James the Great, Bethnal Green.
From ther certificate she was the daughter of George BUTLER and Elizabeth ?. His job was a Carpenter. The 1871 census have 89 BUTLER's in London but only one was a carpenter. This is
RG10 230 Page 21/35
2 Moray Road, Islington, Upper Holloway
George Butler, Head, Married, 47, Carpenter, Middlesex, Islington
Elizabeth Butler, Wife, Married, 45, , Middlesex, Islington
Benjamin ?, Son in Law, Married, 20, Turner, Middlesex, Islington
Emily ?, Daughter, married, 20, , Middlesex, Islington
Emily ?, Grand daughter, u, 1, , Middlesex, Islington
James Butler, son, Unmarried,23,Painter, Middlesex, Islington
This makes George born circa 1824 in Islington. I have no other details about them but I am very confident that this is the right family as teh names match. The names George, Elizabeth, Emily & James appear in the children's names somewhere. They lived very close to Oliver & Ellen.
After the marriage Oliver became a house painter. Thought this was strange given the trades of the family. But if they were close to Ellen's parents then he may have started working with James, which would explain the change of profession.
I don't have ther ceritificate here at the moment but I the time of the marriage I believe both the FRATER & BUTLER families lived in South Road.
Kerry
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Sylviaann
I posted a message on the census lookup page today (heading Wm Olive / Matilda Wright London) then I saw your message. My Gt-Gt-Grandmother was a widow living in Plumstead in 1871 but I have details of a William Olive who died aged 56 in Bethnal Green in 1866. I don't know if he was living in Bethnal Green - would you be able to check? Matilda would be too young to be his wife in 1851 so I might be barking up the wrong tree - but it would be an avenue for me to explore.
Thanks
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Hello Dino25
There is a William Olive aged 39 born Clerkenwell
I am not sure if he is married or not.
1851 Bethnal Green sub district Green HO 107/1540 folio 145
Paople at the same address
Amelia 44 born Hoxton
Frank 3m born St George in East
James 24 born St Marylebone
James 2 born St George in the East
Mary Ann age 37 born Surrey
Sarah M age 12 born Bethnal Green
You will have to look or get someone to look at the folio number to find the relationships
You didn't say how old Matilda would be. There are 2 Matilda Wright one aged10 (poss parents Thomas & Mary Ann)and one aged 18 probable parents John & Mary. If you want either os these please let me know preferably by personal message
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylviaann,
Could I have you check for the following names in Bethnal Green 1851 census?
The first two are very uncommon
Perridge
Bitcheno
The next ones are very common.
Harrison
Warner
Taylor
Thanks Ellen
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Hilton
No Perridge or Bitcheno in Bethnal Green
As you say there are a lot of Harrison (55 in one part of 4)
Warner and Taylor. There are too many for me to type out. You will have to give me names and ages or the indexes are available to purchase from EOLFHS.
Sylviaann
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I would be very grateful if you could please see if there is a
William Stanhope SAWTELL
b 1795 Bristol Gloucestershire
His wife was Harriet
His family seem to have moved from Bristol to Bethnal Green.
Many thanks
Rosemary
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Rosemary
Sorry there is no-one called Sawtell in 1851 Bethnal Green, St George in the East or Shoreditch.
Sylviaann
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SylviaAnn
Do you have the surname Manlove in Bethnall Green in 1851 census please.
They were about in 1880 and into mid 20th century.
Hoping to find a connection that could break down a brick wall
BrianM
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Syviaann
Thank you so much for checking the Sawtells so promptly for me. They must have moved on!
With best wishes
Rosemary
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Sorry no Manlove in Bethnal Green.
I did find one in 1851 Shoreditch sub district Haggerstone West PRO HO 107/1537 folio 355.
This is a surname head of house only index. You will have to look at the original census to see any other names.
Hope this helps
Sylviaann
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Hi sandra
I am doing the Hunter family, mine appear to be Shoreditch, Bethnal Green, Walthamstow. How far have you got back? I am trying at the moment to sort out somes Jameses, I have got a George Hunter who married Jane Hunter in 1873, and her father was James. I also sent for a birth certificate for a George before I realised I had the wrong date and this one has come through with James the father 1845.
Maybe we are working on the same line.
Sue
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Hi
Im looking for a James MILLER 38 b Whitechapel
Chalotte Miller 38
Son James Miller 18 b Bethnal Green
Emma
John
Esther
This is my first posting i hope ive done it ok, Do you reply Personally ????
Thanks
Rob Bailey
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Helllo Bob
Welcome.
Is this your family in 1851 Bethnal green sub district Green
HO 107/1540 folio 528 and 529
James Miller 38 born Whitechapel
Charlotte age 38 born City of London
James age17
Ann age 10
Charles age 4
John 13
William 7
Children all born Bethnal Green
Folio 526-547
Green Street, Globe Road, Ely Place, James Street.
This is an index only. Somebody else with the census may be able to look up the actual address for you.
Good luck.
Sylviaann
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HO 107/1540 folio 528 and 529
11 Globe St. Bethnal Green.
James MILLER H M 38 Cordwainer(Master) Middx.Whitechapl
Charlotte W M 38 City Colman St.
James S U 17 Cordwainer(sews) Middx.Bethnal Gn
John S U 14 " " " "
Anne D U 10 " "
William S U 7 " "
Charles S U 4 " "
Charlotte D U 1 " "
Hope that helps.
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Hi, Would you be able to have a look for a John Hazard in Bethnal Green please. I know he had a son born 1851 there but no info on John so far. Wallaby :)
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Sorry there is no John Hazard in Bethnal Green in 1851.
There are Charles and Mary and James and Sarah
There is a John age 20 in Whitechapel but he seems to be on his own
Sylviaann
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Hi, Thank you for your reply. I have answered your other message with the family names. Have a great day.
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Back in October you kindly looked for ABBOTT DURELL in Bethnall Green with no luck.
Would it be possible for you to list any other DURELLS that are listed as I am wondering if the Christian name could be wrong as all the details I have point to to this area.
In 1881 the family name was listed as DUVELL so could you give that a whirl as well.
Many thanks
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1851 Bethnal Green
ho 107/1540 folio 528
Durrell
Charles age 35
Charles age 6
George age 2
Henry age 4
James 8m
Mathilda age 30
all born Bethnal Green
1851 Whitechapel
ho 107/1543 folio 231/232
Durrell
Eliza 3
Esau 14
James 12
Jane 10
John 19
Rachel 39
Rachel 16
Sarah 8
Thomas 5
Wm 41
Hope this helps
Sylviaann
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1851 census Bethnal Green
ho 107/1540 folio 172
Ann age 18 Spitalfields
Henry 8 004
John 11 004
Maria 16 004
Phebe 49 Shoreditch
Richard 49 Stepney
richard 25 Spitalfields
richard 3 Poplar
sarah 1m 004
susan 25 004
susan 6 Spitalfields
folio 23
Ellen 27 Hereforshire
mary 13 Spitalfields
richard 3 004
william 39 004
william 10 004
folio 182
martha 11m 004
rebecca 35 Whitechapel
richard 39 004
richard 15 004
004 = Bethnal Green
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Hi sylviaann.
Could you please look up Manning Harvey, who would have been about 6 years old at the time? Might be Emma Street.
If you could help I'd be very grateful
Thank you
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Sorry no-one called Manning Harvey or Hervey found in 1851 Bethnal Green or Whitechapel.
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylviaann
Thanks for looking. Thought I might run into some trouble with this one. I think he may have changed his name to Harvey at some time as he was Jewish and married a non Jewish girl. I'll keep looking for clues
Thanks again
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I am researching the crispin family in bethnal green. Elizabeth crispin was born in 1847 and married henry wood in 1867 i believe. I am looking for her parents --could you look in the 1851 census for me. Cheers Fireheart
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Hello!
I would love it if you could help me with Enoch TEAGUE, a carman, with a daughter Charlotte aged about 13.
Secondly, are you able to find the KNELLER family, headed by George Kneller, a weaver, with son George Henry Kneller, aged about 16 and a daughter Emma?
Thanks so much!
Sammi
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Fireheart
Is this your family?
1851 Bethnal green HO 107/1542 folio 664
Ann age 33
Ann age 15
Edward age 10
Elizabeth age 3
George age 5
John age 11months
William age 17
all born Bethnal Green
Father does not seem to be at home.
Someone will look up the full census for you. I they don't then ask again quoting the reference.
Sylviaann
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Sammi
1851 Index Bethnal green
HO 107/1542 folio 57
Teague
Ann age 9 born Bethnal green
Charlotte age 13 born Middlesex
Emma no age born Middlesex
Enoch no age born Goucestershire
Jessey age 11 born Middlesex
1851 index Whitechapel HO 107/1544 folio 68
Kneller
Alfred age 3
Ann age 10
Ann age 38
Ellen age 5
Emma age 12
George age 39
George age 16
Henry age 14
William age 3m
Someone will look up the full census for you. If they dont then ask again quoting the full reference.
Sylviaann
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Thank you Sylviaann!!
Cheers
Sammi
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I have the indexes for Bethnal Green. Gives all names, ages and place of birth.
Please send personal message. I have caratacts which make it hard to look at the compuer. I will try to answer as soon as possible/
trying to trace an elizabeth crispin born bethnal green around 1845-47 ? married a john henry wood in 1867-- could you look up the crispin family in the 1851 census when you can. cheers fireheart
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There are two Eliza/Elizabeth Crispins aged 3 in Bethnal Green in 1851 index. You didn't say what her fathers name was. You can get this from the marriage certificate
HO 107/1542 folio 150
Eliza aged 3
John aged 35
John aged 7m
Mary aged 32
Mary Aged 10
all born Bethnal green
HO 107/1542 folio 664
Elizabeth aged 3
George aged 5
John aged 11m
William aged 17
Ann aged 33
Ann aged 15
Edward aged 10
all born Bethnal Green
Father does not seem to be at home
Someone will look up the actual census for you. If they don't then ask again quoting the reference numbers
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Syviaann
Could you pls look for a William Day born abt 1842 in Bethnal Green. I'm looking for his parents and if he had any siblings. All the best.
Sandra
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The only William of about that age is William Day aged 5 born St George in the East.
Reference HO 107/1540 folio 470
Elizabeth age 44
Elizabeth age 3
George ag
James age 42
Stephen age 1
Someone else will look up the full census for you.
You will not know if this is your family unless you have William's birth certificate which will tell you his fathers name.
Sylviaann
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Syviaann
Many thanks for your help. It is much appreciated. All the best. Sandra
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Hi
If you still have a bit of spare time could you please look up Thomas Woolmore at 6 Albion Street. He was there in 1861 aged 51 with wife Jane also aged 51.
At that time it looks as if Jane's mother Mary Ann Duvell/ Durell is living with them and it is her I am am hoping to find.
Many thanks
SueB
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Sorry could not find them in the name index for Bethnal Green or Whitechapel or even the surname only indexes for St George in the East or Shoreditch.
You could try asking for an address lookup to see who is there.
You are having a hard time with your family. Our ancestors did move around London a lot and they could be in Stepney of Limehouse or even south of the river.
So Sorry not to find them
Sylviaann
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thank you for the info re: crispins--i will check out other leads--,looks promising as the elizabeth iam searching for was born in 1847--any further info will be much appreciated--cheers fireheart
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Hi Silvi. Would you look up any Dodds families in your 1851 Bethnal green index please. Many thanks. Bob Dodds.
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Yes there are lots. Do you have some first names and approximate ages?
Sylviaann
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How about :-
Thomas 75, Charlotte 75 ish, Charlotte 45, William 36 (there should be others in between those two), John 34, Joshua 32, Ruth 29, Esther 28, Valentine 25. The city and East End was a bit of a hot bed of Doddseys! William married Rachel Keeler (11 children to my knowledge)Joshua married Ellen (2 children by 1851) Valentine married Helena. Thomas's place of birth is of great interest. Many thanks. Bob
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Found these in 1851 Whitechapel
HO 107/1544 folio 73
Charlotte age 66
Thomas age 74
Valentine age 25
There is a William age 38 at folio 397
Elizabeth 41
Joseph age 3
William age 7
In Bethnal Green HO 107/1542 folio 37
William age 35
Edward 5m
Eliza 5m
Elizabeth 7
Rachel 33
Rachel 4
William 3
Can't find any of the others, they must be out of the area or the women will be married
Someone will look up the references for you. If they don't then ask again quoting surname and reference
Sylviaann
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Thanks Sylvi.
How about Harriett 40, Spencer William 37, George Edward 31, Charles 28, or John Bennett m. Rebecca 24.
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Sorry none of thos found in Bethnal Green or Whitechapel
Sylviaann
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Thanks once again Sylvi.
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Hi
I am searching for information of Frederick Blackhall. b. 1850, labourer.
In the 1881 census, he is listed as being at 42 Edward Street. Whether this is in Bethnal Green or not, I don't know, as the information I have just says London.
It seems that he was living with his parents, Thomas, head aged 72 and Frances Blackhall, wife aged 70, hawker.
Also at that address is Mary Ann Blackhall, who is his sister. b. 1835.
Frederick has no wife with him when the census was taken.
He had a daughter b. 1876. Maybe his wife died in childbirth.
Does a wife show up on earlier censuses?
Thanks for any help.
Ken
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First you did not say where Frederick Blackhall was born. I looked at the 1881 census and it says Bethnal Green. There are lots of Edward Streets in London but there are some in Bethnal Green.
You are assuming that Frederick was Thomas son but I would think he is Mary Anne's son. Thomas and Frances would be too old to have children. They will be his grandparents. The only way to prove this is to get Fredericks birth certificate. He is on Freebmd as being registered in the March quarter of 1850 in Bethnal green ref 2 91
They are not in 1851 Bethnal Green or Whitechapel.
There are no Blackhalls in St George in the East or Whitechapel but there are some Blackalls as follows
HO 107/1538 folio 152
HO 107/1547 folio 97
Someone will look up these references for you. If they don't after a week then ask again on a new post quoting the names and references.
You should make seperate posts for other census years.
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylvi. Thanks for all the info you have sent seperately.
The search conntinues.
Ken
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Hi Sylviaann
Could you please look for Abraham Wartski and his family. They were Polish/Russian immigrants who arrived in East London about 1850'ish.
Thanks Dave
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Sorry could not find any Wartski, Watski or Whartski in 1851 Bethnal Green, Whitechapel, Shoreditch of St George in the East
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylvi
Wonder if you can look up a couple of names on the 1901 for me, probably Bethnal Green?
Harry Brawn Edwards, b. abt 1878
Annie Pardoe b. abt 1879
Thanks a bunch.
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Thanks a lot for the lookup, Sylvi, they must have arrived after census day.
Any chance for a check in the 1861 census, any Wartski will do.
Regards Dave
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Hi Sylvi
Have done a search on FreeBMD for harry Edwards and the Brawn should read Braun. I thought it should have been, as my Birth Mother used it when she remarried in 1944.
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I only have indexes for 1851 Bethnal Green, Whitechapel, Shoreditch and St George in the East.
Anywhere else and any other year you should put in a seperate request.
Ken
You can look at the 1901 census yourself on the PRO site. www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylvi
Think I am getting the hang of this board now, having spent most of the morning reading the postings.
I'll try the PRO. Have just found that Frederick Blackhall got married, June Qtr. 1874, Bethnal Green, 1c, 70_a, but putting a search for his wife, is proving difficult. Will have to open up the images on FreeBMD
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Ken
I think you will have to buy the certificate. There is usually no other way to find the wife's name except on birth certificates.
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylvi
Yes, I think you are right, unless I can find out on the 1901 census.
Looks like I shall have to get some work in, as my pension keeps running out, with all these certs I have to keep buying and there is a queue building up, the further I get back!!
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Ken
I'm afraid this hobby can be costly. You need certificates to prove parentage. You will probably need 28 birth certificate and 14 marriage certs. Forget about the death certs. I used to ask for them as birthday and Christmas presents.
I don't know how you will find a maiden name on the 1901 census.
Sylviaann
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Ken
I'm afraid this hobby can be costly. You need certificates to prove parentage. You will probably need 28 birth certificate and 14 marriage certs. Forget about the death certs. I used to ask for them as birthday and Christmas presents.
I don't know how you will find a maiden name on the 1901 census.
Sylviaann
It's costing me a lot now and I have ended up getting the wrong certs. :)
My birth mother had a daughter, who is my eldest half sister, with the same name and I have noticed that Frederick Blackhall's sister has the same name as her mother!!
I found Frederick's marriage entry by searching FreeBMD, but open any image for that quarter.
Ohwell, I will have to put some posts up on here and see what it throws up. Seems to be a great board.
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Sylviaann,
I have the wedding cert for Elizabeth Emerson to my GtGrandfather on 29 aug 1875.
It shows her age as 23.
She appears in all census after the marriage but there appears to be no reference
before then.
If you have time could you see if she is traceable in 1851 census
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Bumblebee
She is unlikely to be in the 1851 census if she was born in 1852 but I looked anyway and could not find her.
You need her birth certificate then someone could look for her parents.
Sylviaann
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thanks for not pointing out how stupid I am. I do know her fathers name was Robert born 1823 and he was living in Marylebone in 1871, she had moved by then
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Sorry no Robert Emerson in 1851 Bethnal green or Whitechapel
Sylviaann
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Ken - you cannot find a wife's maiden name on a census. Frederick's wife was Charlotte [1881 census] but the transcript of the marriage record is incomplete.
Only certificates contain such detail. 8)
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Please Note
I am going away for a couple of weeks.
It is better to post seperate requests for Bethnal Green lookups. I have indexes but others have partial indexes for greater areas of London. Even if I find them on the index someone else has to look up the actual census
I will try to catch up on the London Lookup forum when I get back
Sylviaann
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Hi Sylvi
Have a good time
Ken
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Ken - you cannot find a wife's maiden name on a census. Frederick's wife was Charlotte [1881 census] but the transcript of the marriage record is incomplete.
Only certificates contain such detail. 8)
Thanks for that, Hack. Looks like it'll have to join the queue, until I get some more work in.
Ken
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Hi - any chance of a look up for a Henry Mears - age approx 12 or 13 on the census. any family with him would be appreciated... His birthplace may be listed as stepney or bethnal green....
thank you very much!!!
Tom
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Hello Tom
Welcome to rootschat
I did find a Henrey Mears aged 12 in Bethnal Green
Ref HO 107/1540 folio 13
Ann Mears age 35
Charles age 6
George 72
Handrietta age 10
Henry 33
Henrey 12
Martha 8
Mary 70
Sarah 4
all born Bethnal Green
Looks as if you have grandparents as well if this is the right family.
I only have indexes.
Hopefully someone will look at the actual census for you. If they don't after a week then ask again in a seperate post on the London Lookup Requests board quoting the name and reference number.
Good luck
Sylviaann
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Hi
1 Bonner Lane, Old Ford Road. Bethnal Green. 1540/13b - 1851 Census
MEARS all born Bethnal Green
George Head M 70 Silk Weaver
Mary Wife M 70 "
Henry Son M 33 "
Ann Dau d/o 25/35? "
Henry Son U 12 Scholar
Henrietta Dau U 10 "
Martha Dau U 8 "
Charles Son U 6
Sarah Dau U 4
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This is what is says, no mention of grandson etc. Assume the children were Henry's?
regards
Reyz
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please could someone look up the full 1851 census for the crispin family reference: 1851 bethnal green census HO 107/1542 folio 664 thanks
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Hi
67 Shacklewell Street, Bethnal Green
CRISPIN all born Bethnal Green
Ann Head W 33 Tumming? Maker
William son 17 Tue? Wood Maker
Ann dau 15 Tumming Maker
Edward son 10
George son 5
Elizabeth dau 3
John son 11 months
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Rz
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Thank you so much on your lookup for henry mears. It seems that there wa sa gentleman that passed away in 1999 that had given me similar information claiming a relation but he passed before I could find out more... NOw it's just flushing out the info I can get from these names... THank you So much!!!
Now - to find some bethnal green parish registers.....
Tom
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Hi - hope you are still around. I am looking for Robert Richard born around 1838 in London. His father was also Robert. Not sure if he was in Bethnal Green at that stage but he married there in 1868 so this is just a long shot.
Thanks
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Hello lyraea
I could not find him in the 1851 census index for Bethnal green or Whitechapel.
It would be better if you postes a general 1851 request on the London Lookup requests board. Other people have more general indexes. It would also help if you knew in which part of London he was born. Have you found him on any other census? If you have you should quote all information you have already. You seem to know his fathers name. Where did you get this information. If it was from a marriage cert then you should post this information too. Every bit of information helps to track him down. You could try for his birth on Freebmd.
Hope this helps
Sylviaann
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Don't know if you can help but this is my problem. Charles Popkin was 12 in the 1851 census, living with his parents William and Elizbeth Popkin in Bethnal Green. Later Charles "married" Louisa Smith, no record found for the marriage. I wondered if there was a Louisa Smith there, she would be about 8 years old. Their second child was born in Shoreditch while the first and all others were Whitechapel. Thanks for any help you can offer, pegdoll.
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This is a difficult one as without the parents names you will not know if any of them are correct.
I found three aged 9
HO107/1540 folio 453
ho 107/1545 folio 618
ho 107/1543 folio 289
age 6
HO 107/1540 folio 371
ho 107/1543 folio 353
If you get a birth certificate for one of the children then it would give the fathers name and make it easier to trace Louisa
It is best to post a seperate request as more people will look at the post.
The 1851 census is now online
Have you asked for an 1861 lookup? This might also be difficult without a father's name.
Good Luck
Sylviaann
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Thankyou for the time you have spent on my behalf. I will follow on with this. thankyou again,pegdoll.
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I am looking for an Elizabeth Ricketts born in Bethnal Green who, in 1851, would be around 20 (give or take a year). In 1871 she was a book binder. I don't have much more information about her (such as parents names, place) so if there are many Elizabeth Ricketts of that age, there won't be much point in pursuing the search. But on the off chance there are just one or two of that age....
Much appreciated!
ard
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Sorry I could not find Elizabeth Ricketts in either Bethnal Green or Whitechapel.
It would be best to put in a request for London 1851 census. Our ancestors did move around quite a lot.
Sylviaann
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Thanks for your quick reply, Sylviaann! I'll give that a try.
ard