RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset Lookup Requests => Somerset => England => Somerset Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Anja on Sunday 26 March 06 05:16 BST (UK)
-
Hi,
I am trying to get confirmation on James and Elizabeth Denmead and their children travelling on the ship Escort in 1856/7. ???
We have calculated by birth dates they should have had 5 children and then Emma who was born aboard during the journey.
The ship Escort left the port of Southampton on 6th Oct 1856 and arrived in Melbourne Australia on 14th Jan 1857.
If anyone is able to assist in confirming the details of this family we would be most gratefull.
Thank you in advance. :)
Anna
Australia
-
Hello Anja
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
It would help us to help you if you could tell us what information you already have and what you are seeking.
Do you have the family on the 1841 and 1851 censuses? Do you know where they originated (Somerset?) and what James' occupation was?
The only likely marriage I can find is in Abergavenny, possibly to an Elizabeth HOLDER (freebmd - incomplete record)
Hoping to help
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
-
Could this be them in Wales in 1851?
HO107/2448/853/36
James DANMAID H M 30 - lab - Somerset Kingston
Elizabeth W M 28 - Somerset Long Ashton
Sarrah A dau 6 - scholar - Somerset Weston
Eliza dau 1 month - Monmouth Bedwellty
George SOUTH? lodger 34 - coal miner - Somerset Littleton?
John SUMMERS lodger 24 - coal miner - Somerset Commerton
Address: 353 Upper Row, Sirhowy, (can't read name of hamlet - Mwrchlaurlwa??), Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
A ;)
-
Hi Arranroots,
Thank you for your reply. :D, greatly appreciated. My apologies for not including more detail - my mistake.
I actually don't have much on them outside of Australia - only just found them today as travelling to Australia. We have their history of sorts in Australia.
Elizabeth Holder and James Denmead marriage is them 9th April 1850 Long Ashton but that is the record the lodged in Australia, which is 5 yrs after the birth of their first child Sarah Ann b:5th March 1845 Long Ashton.
From what I have been able to find out and all unconfirmed,
James b: 6th Jan 1821 Kingston Seymour,
Elizabeth Holder b:1823 Long Ashton (bapt: 4th May 1823 Long Ashton)
children
Sarah Ann - b: 5th March 1845 Long Ashton
Martha - b: ?1847 Monmouth Gwent Wales
Eliza - b: ?1848 Tredegar Monmouth Wales
Charles - b: ?1853 Long Ashton
Alfred Henry - b: 20th Aug 1845 Long Ashton
Emma - b: 6th Dec 1856 aboard the ship Escort
The rest of their children were born in Australia
I have not done English (now Wales) research before so am at a total loss where to start and how to go about it all. Your guidance in how to proceed is valued.
Regards
Anja
-
Thanks for the reply Anja - it is looking promising, with the coincidence of names and places! :)
Can I suggest you look for the births of the other children in the GRO Birth Index (currently free at Ancestry: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8964 )
Use the dates you have as a guide and you are probably looking for births in Long Ashton Registration District
Long Ashton
Created 1st January 1897 (renaming of Bedminster district).
Sub-districts : Long Ashton; St. George; Yatton.
GRO volumes : 5c (1899-1930).
Abbots Leigh, Backwell, Barrow Gurney, Bishopsworth, Brockley, Chelvey, Clapton, Clevedon, Dundry, Easton in Gordano, Flax Bourton, Kenn, Kingston Seymour, Long Ashton, Nailsea, North Weston, Portbury, Portishead, Tickenham, Walton in Gordano, Weston in Gordano, Winford, Wraxall, Yatton.
Registers now divided between North Somerset and Bristol districts.
and (I think) Pontypool
Pontypool
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Llangibby; Pontypool; Usk.
GRO volumes : XXVI (1837-51); 11a (1852-1930).
Glascoed, Goytrey, Gwehellog, Kemys Commander, Llanbaddock, Llandegveth, Llangeview, Llangibby, Llanhilleth, Llanllhowel, Llanthewyvach, Llantrissent, Llanvihangel Pont-y-Moile, Llanvrechva, Mamhilad, Monkswood, Panteg, Pontypool, Trevethin, Trostney, Usk.
Registers now divided between Blaenau Gwent, Torfaen and Monmouth districts.
Unfortunately, your family has left before the 1861 census, which would perhaps have confirmed this family. There were not many with surnames that were close to yours.
I would definitely recommend getting the marriage certificate - you can find the ref on Ancestry too, but shout if you get stuck! That was lucky, guessing at the correct one! I told you the name is unusual!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
-
definitely
This deffinately is them - how can I get a copy of it without going through Ancestry Com as I do not have a subscription to them and don't have the funds to join.
What does HO107/2448/853/36 mean ??
Noticed that Sarah is spelt with 2 'r's - is that right ?? not seen it spelt that way before - rather novel if it is.
Thanks for your help - it is appreciated.
Anja
Australia
Could this be them in Wales in 1851?
HO107/2448/853/36
James DANMAID H M 30 - lab - Somerset Kingston
Elizabeth W M 28 - Somerset Long Ashton
Sarrah A dau 6 - scholar - Somerset Weston
Eliza dau 1 month - Monmouth Bedwellty
George SOUTH? lodger 34 - coal miner - Somerset Littleton?
John SUMMERS lodger 24 - coal miner - Somerset Commerton
Address: 353 Upper Row, Sirhowy, (can't read name of hamlet - Mwrchlaurlwa??), Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
A ;)
-
Hello again
First, don't worry about the spelling! Sarah probably would have been surprised too! When transcribing censuses we look at the image and try to write exactly what was written - it could just be that the enumerator couldn't spell!
The HO107 part indicates that it is either the 1851 or 1841 census (unfortunately they both start the same) In this case 1851. The rest is a unique reference for this family in this census - Piece number, Folio number and Page in the enumerator's book. It is a good idea to get into the habit of making a note of these with your records, then if you need to ask someone to find the next censes it is a quick way for them to look at this one first. Later censuses start RG, so RG9 = 1861, RG10 = 1871 etc.
At the moment the full BMD indexes are available FREE on Ancestry, but payable on sites such as 1837online and Familyrelatives. Freebmd also covers a lot, but is not yet complete.
To purchase a cert you need the reference number and names, plus date & place - to order from the GRO. Or you can order direct from the local Registrar.
Have a read of the Beginners Board - there is lots of useful info on there.
Let us know how you get on.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
-
this could be elizabeth in 1841-
living at a place called arch grove,long ashton somerset in 1841-
charles holder 40yrs farmer
sarah 35yrs
elizabeth 20yrs
james 15yrs
ann 13yrs
albinia 11yrs
martha 9yrs
alfred 6yrs
isaac 4yrs
john 2yrs
SOURCE INFO-H0107-0944
FOLIO-3/32
PAGE-23
regards
alli
-
sarah ann holder birth march qtr 1845 beminster district(which covers long ashton) vol 11 page-6(97).
maybe this is your starting point?
regards
alli
-
Alli,
I am not sure if this is her parents, her Australian death registration has Charles and Sarah, it certainly looks promising. The ages fit - thank you so much for looking - it is appreciated.
Thank you
Anja
this could be elizabeth in 1841-
living at a place called arch grove,long ashton somerset in 1841-
charles holder 40yrs farmer
sarah 35yrs
elizabeth 20yrs
james 15yrs
ann 13yrs
albinia 11yrs
martha 9yrs
alfred 6yrs
isaac 4yrs
john 2yrs
SOURCE INFO-H0107-0944
FOLIO-3/32
PAGE-23
regards
alli
-
Alli,
This certainly is my Sarah Ann - I found a birth date - 5th March 1845 and baptism 2nd July 1848 Tredegar Wales. Question is why would they baptise her in Wales - seems a bit odd.
Again - thank you for spending your valuable time looking.
Anja
sarah ann holder birth march qtr 1845 beminster district(which covers long ashton) vol 11 page-6(97).
maybe this is your starting point?
regards
alli
-
sounds to me like they were in wales by 1848 cant find the older children that say they were born in cold ashton. :-\
regards
alli
-
Alli,
What I think has happened is when Eliza b:1848 was born in Wales they baptised all the older children at the same time as Eliza.
For that era, it makes you wonder why they would travel all the way from England to Wales for a few years and then travel all the way back again. It certainly would have been one heck of a journey to take with such small children.
I know looking at Australian travel back then it was a huge thing to travel between townships and states (counties) by either foot or bullock and dray. Even now I travel 4hrs to see my parents in the country by car, back then it would have taken many weeks if not months because of the mountains that needed to be crossed, not to mention a ocean inlet.
Regards
Anja
sounds to me like they were in wales by 1848 cant find the older children that say they were born in cold ashton. :-\
regards
alli
-
if the 41 is your family then here is charles in 1851-
living at long ashton
charles holder 53yrs widow farmer of 70 acres emplying 2 labourers
james son 25yrs framers son
albinia 21yrs daughter unmarried
martha 19yrs unmarried daughter
alfred.e son 17yrs
isaac 15yrs son
john son 13yrs
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1946
FOLIO-48
PAGE-10
regards
alli
-
That certainly fits then because wife Sarah is supposed to have died in 1843 age abt 43 yrs.
I don't know how your finding this stuff but I am grateful for your assistance.
Regards
Anja
if the 41 is your family then here is charles in 1851-
living at long ashton
charles holder 53yrs widow farmer of 70 acres emplying 2 labourers
james son 25yrs framers son
albinia 21yrs daughter unmarried
martha 19yrs unmarried daughter
alfred.e son 17yrs
isaac 15yrs son
john son 13yrs
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1946
FOLIO-48
PAGE-10
regards
alli
-
I have just found your informationm about the Denmead family. I have been researching the Denmead/Holder family for a friend and have a lot of information on the families. I live in Camperdown, Victoria. Where are you?
I look forward to hearing from you.
-
Hi kolora
Thank you for your post message- I am in Victoria on the Mornington Peninsular.
Would be very interested to learn what you have found. :)
-
Hi Anja
I am doing the Denmead research for a friend. Her line is
William Denmead 1770-1848 and Rachael Andrews 1782-1861
James Denmead 1821-1901 and Elizabeth Holder 1823-1899
Sarah Ann Denmead 1844-1923 and John Hester Vesey 1842-1898
John Hester Vesey 1871-1940 and Georgina Pell 1880-1960
Jean Elizabeth Vesey 1918-1970 and Irving Joseph Nathaniel Bennett 1906-1995
Helen Bennett
I have a bit on the Denmead/Vesey families.
I have been to Kenn in Somerset and looked at the church records. My family originated in Kingston Seymour which is next to Kenn.
I look forward to hearing from you again.