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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: erin21 on Saturday 25 March 06 22:27 GMT (UK)
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Anyone out there familiar with this place or who lives near, I would love you to get in touch to see if you can help me with my research.
Erin21
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Hi Erin,
What information are you looking for? you should post it here!
John
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Hi John
I am looking for information regarding the butler family namely children of Thomas butler born 09/07/1879. The people concerned are Pierse born 14/07/1906 John born 08/04/1908 and Catherine born 06/12/1909. Any information would be gratefully received also anyone who has access to the church records of this area.
Erin21
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this looks like it could fit some where
BUTLER, Thomas Birth
born 2 Apr 1869 Birthplace: 767, Clonroche, Wex, Ire
Wexford, Ireland
Civil Registration
Fath. Pierce BUTLER
Moth. Margaret KEHOE
BUTLER, Thomas
born 11 Mar 1872 865, Clonroche, Wex, Ire
Wexford, Ireland
Civil Registration
Fath Pierce BUTLER
Moth Margaret KEHOE
audrey
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Audrey
Thank you thats interesting because the information I have been given so far says my Thomas Butler married Mary keogh in 1922 so theres a connection with surnames but dates and other names are not tying up.
Thanks for your help
Erin21
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Hi Erin,
I have a friend who is almost 92 and is from Oylegate. I havejust spoken to her on the phone and she has a vague memory of Pierse Butler. She said that there's a man in the village very interested in genealogy and he would probably know a lot more. She will ask him when she sees him and get back to me. She will probably not see him until Sunday.
Mary.
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Dear Mary
I am very excited to hear your news This person who is 92 may have remembered catherine Butler who was born on 06/12/1909 and if she were alive today she would be 96. She was born Ballyvake Oylegate the third child of Thoms Butler. Her brothers were Pierse born 1907 and John born 1908 John apparently moved to England to live.
Any help you may find will prove very interesting.
Erin
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Hi Erin,
Strange as it may seem my friend only remembered Pierse. I did mention Catherine as she was closer in age to my friend but she couldn't remember her. I hope I will be able to get some info. for you. I have successfully found info. for another lady on Roots Chat and I did this through speaking to an elderly friend.
Where do you live?
Mary.
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Hello.
The Griffiths Valuation gives the name of OILGATE in the parish of EDERMINE
county Wexford.
During the Valuation period 1847-1864 the is one Butler listed as follows:
BUTLER, Anne
County: Wexford
Parish: Edermine
Location: Mullinnagore or Oilgate
There were also a Laurene, Richard and Thomas Butler in the same parish
but at different locations.
Mike.
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128 Butlers listed in Wexford to many to post hear send me E mail by PM
I will send you the list put Butler so I will know what file to send
audrey
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Dear Mike
Thanks for your information I appreciate it
Erin
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Mary
Thanks for the information. I live in England.
Catherine seems to be an illusive person I know she was living in Dublin in 1935 but no one seems to know what happened to her after that . I believe she also used the name Kathleen. Even her birth certificate is untraceable although her baptism details are in the local church.
Erin
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We'll just have to hope that my friend turns something up. Maybe Catherine wanted to "disappear"....it was not unheard of here in Ireland.
Mary.
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Mary
Yes I know what you mean and I can understand that in the 1930s but I cannot understand a person not wanting to contact a member of your family for a lifetime. maybe she died soon after1935, its difficult trying to trace a woman who may have changed her name .i have visited Dublin many times and ploughed through the "big books" in the record office but so far to no avail !!!
Erin
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Hi Erin,
Catherine would have been 29 in 1935. It is possible that she became pregnant outside marriage. That in itself would have been considered a terrible thing but for a 29 year old it would have been considered much worse because "she should have more sense"! I was born in 1947 and when I was growing up the worst possible "sin" a girl could commit was to become pregnant outside marriage. Somehow the boys were not considered to have committed a dreadful sin. I have an elderly friend who to this day considers that her brother broke her Mother's heart and brought shame and disgrace to the family. Said brother has been married for about 57 years but he is still the one who shamed the family!!! I know this is hard to understand....I grew up with it and I still don't fully understand that kind of thinking.
I'm just glad that "the times they are a changing".
Mary.
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Hello Mary
Yes you are very perceptive. In fact you have hit the nail on the head. The person I have been doing this research for (for 3 years now) is indeed the child of Catherine Butler. She is now 70 years of age and looking at the problem from the oyther side of the coin she has spent her entire life searching for information about her mother and has tried to come to terms with why she was abandoned for a lifetime. Through many avenues I have managed to find that her mother was this Catherine Butler but alas I can find no more details YET !!! I shall continue to try to find out what happened to her. any way thank you for your thoughts. I know what you mean. I was also born in 1947 and growing up in England things were very similar in those days.
Thanks again
Erin
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Hi Erin,
This was not just perception....it was growing up in Ireland and knowing how the Irish minds of that time worked. I will certainly do my very best to see if I can help you get to the bottom of this.
Life was very cruel back then.
Mary.
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Thanks Mary
I really appreciate your help.
Erin
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Hi Erin,
Was the lady you are researching for adopted? Does she have her original birth cert.? Where was she born? Her plight has really stirred me emotionally and now I want to find a link for her to her mother.
Feel free to email me on my personal email. I will send it to you in a private message.
Mary.
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Hi Erin,
This was not just perception....it was growing up in Ireland and knowing how the Irish minds of that time worked. I will certainly do my very best to see if I can help you get to the bottom of this.
Life was very cruel back then.
Mary.
Happy Easter Everyone,
I have just been doing a bit of research on the subject of Catholic Christenings pre 1843. I must have googled slightly off subject matter but in doing so came across a book title which may interest some of you.."The Girls Who Went Away: The Hidden History of Women Who Surrendered Children for Adoption in the Decades before Roe v Wade" by Ann Fessler www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0143058657?v=glance&st=* .
All the Best, Chris
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Hello Chris
Just back from an Easter break and read your message. That book looks interesting I shall have to browse it when it is published. Mary is helping with my search for Catherine Butler. no luck yet but you never know !!!
Erin
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Audrey
do you by any chance have any details of later births of the Butlers in Wexford after 1875?
Erin
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Erin
sorry they only go up to 1875 in Wexford
audrey
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Audrey
Thank you
I think I may have made an important breakthrough in this inquiry. Yesterday I came across someone searching for Catherine's father. I have emailed the person and am awaiting a reply. I just need a bit more information on Thomas's siblings but I am 99% sure I have found a contact. I am very excited
Erin
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Audrey
By the way Thomas was the father of Catherine born about 1872/79 He had 6 sisters and 2 brothers (I think )
Erin
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Erin, Thomas Butler son of Pierce and Catherine Cullen was my husbands Grandfather. His mother, Thomas daughter Mary Agnes came to England and married during the war. Her brother John (Jack) as he was known, also left Ireland, Joined the airforce, married and moved to Oxford where he worked as a kind of Bursar at the one of the colleges at the University. My husband will know which as he used to stay with him for holidays.
I have been contacted by a lady researching on behalf of someone who has been told they are the daughter of Kathleen Butler, sister of Mary Agnes so my husband Aunt. This was the first I had heard of this person and the first time I knew of this Aunt. I have been trying for a number of years to get information on my mother in laws family so am trilled to have found you. Maybe we can get our heads together and come up with a true list of siblings and get to the bottom of what happened to Catherine/Kathleen Butler after 1935 for her daughter.
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Erin
Just to let you know that because of your and Diana's interest in Catharine/Kathleen, I checked out 1837 online for marriages in that name after 1936 when she left Dublin. (Diana says she was told Kathleen stayed on there for 18 months), I found a marriage in Oxford which would tie in if she had gone there at the same time as her brother John (Jack). Certificate should arrive any time now so keep your fingers crossed......
Arijaba.
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Know it well. Going there next week.
What do you want to know?
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Me again.
I have passed Butler information onto someone else on the Rootsweb Wexford list yesterday - is this all the same enquiry?
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Alan
Thank you for replying Yes the Butler info is all linked to the same enquiry.
At this stage I am paticularly interested in the grave yard internments . can I send you a private message?
erin
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Sure - we are just down the road in Colwyn Bay
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My husband is a Butler on his late mothers side.
Her name was Mary Agnes Butler born 4th May 1913 to Thomas Butler born 9 May 1883 at Coolanick, Oylegate and Johanna Murphy 1 Jan 1886 of Courtnacuddy, Wexford who married 30th April 1906. Their witnesses were Katie Butler and David Redmond (They themselves married each other in about 1906.
Thomas and Johanna had 6 children in total:
Pierce born 1906
John born 1908
Catherine born 1909
Mary Agnes born 1913
Arthur born 1917 and
Michael born 1919
Thomas died in about 1957 and I have the newspaper obituary.
Johanna died in 1920 of a bleed on the brain in the hospital of the local workhouse, Thomas re-married a Mary Kehoe who it seems was the architypical Step Mother from Hell.
John moved to Oxford in England, met and married a lady called Irene Winifred Maisey in 1936. They had two children. John died in 1975, Irene in 1970.
Catherine appears to have become pregnant, was taken to Dublin where she gave birth to a daughter Annie Theresa Butler in 1935. Annie contacted us through a friend some years ago but nothing from her for some time.
Mary Agnes passed away in December 1985.
I have no additional information on Pierce, Catherine, Arthur or Michael.