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Thanks to JohninAus I've found another generation of my family and would be grateful for a census look-up to confirm some details.
I'm interested in George CRABTREE born c.1768 in Belton in Axholme. His wife, if she is still alive, is Elizabeth, born c.1769 in Crowle. I believe that George died in 1857 in Belton.
There was also a son, William CRABTREE, born c.1791 in Belton.
Thank you,
Jo.
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Hi Jo
..1851..
Wm Crabtree 61 Head. Grocer and Draper
Hannah 42 Wife
John 21 Son. Ag Lab
George 14 Son. Scholar
?Alicey 12 Daughter
David 11 Son. Scholar
Ann 8 Daughter. Scholar
Eliza 6 Daughter. Scholar
George 83 Father.Wid. Annuitant
All born and living in Belton.
HO107/2349/91/7
Sarah :)
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Hi
here is the 1841 census
all born in county
George Crabtree, age 70, ag lab
Elizh Crabtree, age 70
and next door
Thos Crabtree, age 80, ind
Ann Crabtree, age 85, ind
Ann Sykes, age13, f servant
Westgate, Belton, Lincolnshire
HO 107 0627
folio 16/27 page 37
Nicky
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and `84` for son
all born in county
William Crabtree, age 50, draper and farmer
Hannah age 30
Thos age 18
Mary age 16
Elizh age 15
John age 12
Wm age 9
Frances age 7
George age 5
Alice age 3
David age 1
Westgate, Belton
HO 107 0627
folio 16/25 page 33
Nicky
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Deep breath! ........
1841 Census of Belton
HO107/627/16 folio 25 page 33
Westgate
Wm Crabtree, 50, draper & farmer
Hannah, 30
Thos, 18
Mary, 16
Elizh, 15
John, 12
Wm, 9
Frances, 7 [girl]
George, 5
Alice, 3
David, 1
All born in Lincolnshire!
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SNAP!
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Wow, thank you Dave, Nicky and sem73. That's a lot more information and does confirm a lot of my information. The Thomas Crabtree in the 1841 census fits with a brother of George baptised in 1759.
It looks like Elizabeth Crabtree died in 1846 - there's two burials listed for that year in Belton on familyhistoryonline. Neither have ages given but it's a fairly safe bet that she is one of them.
I'm going away to digest all this new information now.
Thank you,
Jo. ;D
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Hi Sasha
my great grandmother was a Frances Crabtree b. in Reedness, Yorkshire. Her father seems to be Thomas Crabtree b. Belton abt 1782.
I have only just started looking for this part of the family and would welcome any help. Do they tie in with with your Crabtrees? I am intrigued by the mention of Ann Sykes as Frances went to stay in Yorkshire with a Sykes family after her husband George Hunt died.
Chota
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Hi Chota,
I've only just started looking for this family too - they are a new discovery as of today. There does only seem to be one Crabtree family in Belton so there is a very good chance that we are looking at the same family.
What I have is from the IGI and starts off with William and Alice Crabtree who had the following children in Belton.
Hannah 13 Aug 1748
Susannah 13 Aug 1748 (not sure if these are twins or the same child transcribed twice - there's a burial for Susannah 1750)
Martha 25 Sep 1754 (buried 1755)
William 15 Feb 1756
Thomas 16 Feb 1759
David 29 July 1761
Samuel 27 Sep 1763
Anne 27 Sep 1766 (buried 1767)
George 25 Nov 1768 (my 5xGt-Grandfather)
If I find out anything else I'll let you know.
Jo. :)
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Hi again Chota. :)
Looking on the IGI there is a baptism for Thomas Crabtree on 2nd Feb 1782 at Belton, son of Thomas and Mary Crabtree. I wonder if this is the same Thomas Crabtree aged 80 on the 1841 census found by Nicky? The Ann Crabtree on the 1841 census could be his second wife and there is the Sykes link against that entry too.
There are two burials for Mary Crabtree showing up on the NBI on familyhistoryonline:
Mary Crabtree buried 5th April 1792, Belton in Axholme All Saints (no age given)
Mary Crabtree buried 20th Feb 1817, aged 57, Belton in Axholme All Saints
There doesn't seem to be any marriages for Belton on the IGI so I can't check out my theory of a second marriage for Thomas.
Jo.
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Jo
Crabtree in Belton isn't very fruitful...
William mar Elizabeth Tune 10 Apr 1815
William(wid) mar Hannah Meggott 30 Jun 1829....looks like a second marriage given Hannahs age on census relative to the eldest children
David mar Jane Crackell 14 Apr 1818.
Then in Althorpe, ...
Samuel mar Christiana Waud 3 Aug 1787
Nothing in I of Ax earlier other than Frances/Marmaduke Some in Gainsborough
None in Manlake Deanery or Corringham Deanery.
Looks to me like a Yorks name rather than a Lincs name
John
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Did William marry twice? Quite possibly ... NBI2 has the following burial record:
Elizabeth CRABTREE (age 35)
bur. 4 Jan 1829
Belton in Axholme, All Saints
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Some earlier burials in Belton in Axholme, All Saints
Anne Crabtree - bur 14 Mar 1767
Alice Crabtree - bur 4 Apr 1784
Mary Crabtree - bur 5 Apr 1792
William Crabtree - bur 16 Jul 1806
Mary Crabtree - bur 20 Feb 1817, age 57
William Crabtree - bur 8 Jun 1817, age 28
David Crabtree -bur 14 Aug 1824, age 66
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Thanks for the NBI information Dave. :)
It does look like William married twice (and quite quickly at that - he buried one wife in January 1829 and married the second in June of that same year!), and I can place some of the other burials too.
Jo.
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Thank you all for your help. I only stumbled upon this thread by accident and couldn't believe my luck! There is still a way to go before I have these Crabtrees sorted out. Is it pushing my luck to ask if anyone can find Thomas Crabtree in the 1841 cenus. In 1851 he is in Reedness, Yorks with his wife Sarah (?Davey) b. Althorpe and his daughter Sarah b. Reedness. I would be very grateful!
Chota
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Hi Chota
My 2xgtgrandfather Robert Knipe's first wife was called Elizabeth Hunt, born Flixborough circa 1844, daughter of George and Frances Hunt.
I have read your interest in Thomas Crabtree and I am aware he is the father of Frances above so I have some further census information for you.
1841 Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree b 1786
Sarah Crabtree b 1786
Sarah Dodds (dau) b 1811
1851 Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree
Sarah Crabtree
Sarah Dodds
Frances Hunt (gddau) age 14 born Gunhouse
Frances is the daughter of George and Frances and is living with her parents in the 1841 census
1841 Gunhouse
George Hunt - 30 - Ag Lab
Frances Hunt - 25
Sarah Hunt - 8
Frances - 4
Thomas is still around in 1861 living with granddaughter Frances again, however this time she is married. And Elizabeth is also there.
1861 Whitgift
Whitaker Burton - 25 - Shoemaker b Whitgift
Frances Burton - 23 - Shoemaker's wife b Gunhouse
Walter Burton - 1 - Shoemaker's son b Whitgift
Elizabeth Hunt - Vis - 18 - Dressmaker b Flixboro
This is squashed in but I think it says Thomas Burton - son - b Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree - Vis - Wid - 74 - Lab - b Belton
You will note that in the 1881 census where Frances Hunt is with the Sykes there is a girl called Mary Frances Burton as the niece, I believe this is the daughter of Whitaker and Frances above. Also I think the Ann Sykes married to John is Frances' sister.
Hope that all makes sense and helps you out.
All the best
Janda
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Hi Chota
My 2xgtgrandfather Robert Knipe's first wife was called Elizabeth Hunt, born Flixborough circa 1844, daughter of George and Frances Hunt.
I have read your interest in Thomas Crabtree and I am aware he is the father of Frances above so I have some further census information for you.
1841 Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree b 1786
Sarah Crabtree b 1786
Sarah Dodds (dau) b 1811
1851 Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree
Sarah Crabtree
Sarah Dodds
Frances Hunt (gddau) age 14 born Gunhouse
Frances is the daughter of George and Frances and is living with her parents in the 1841 census
1841 Gunhouse
George Hunt - 30 - Ag Lab
Frances Hunt - 25
Sarah Hunt - 8
Frances - 4
Thomas is still around in 1861 living with granddaughter Frances again, however this time she is married. And Elizabeth is also there.
1861 Whitgift
Whitaker Burton - 25 - Shoemaker b Whitgift
Frances Burton - 23 - Shoemaker's wife b Gunhouse
Walter Burton - 1 - Shoemaker's son b Whitgift
Elizabeth Hunt - Vis - 18 - Dressmaker b Flixboro
This is squashed in but I think it says Thomas Burton - son - b Whitgift
Thomas Crabtree - Vis - Wid - 74 - Lab - b Belton
You will note that in the 1881 census where Frances Hunt is with the Sykes there is a girl called Mary Frances Burton as the niece, I believe this is the daughter of Whitaker and Frances above. Also I think the Ann Sykes married to John is Frances' sister.
Hope that all makes sense and helps you out.
All the best
Janda
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Thank you Janda,
Since posting my request in April I had managed to find out most of the census information myself but thank you very much for taking the time and trouble. People are so very kind. Are you descended from Robert Knipe and Elizabeth Hunt or from Robert and his second wife? If from Robert and Elizabeth then we share some great grandparents.
Have you gone any furthur back with the Hunts?
Best wishes and many thanks,
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
I am descended from Robert Knipe and his second wife Betsey's (nee Howlett) daughter Beatrice Louisa. But since Robert and Elizabeth had 4 children before she died I decided to have a look at the Hunt family. I have not managed to find George's baptism/parents or his marriage to Frances but know he was born in Luddington, Lincs around 1809. Do you have that information? I have found George, Frances and family in the 1841/51/61 census and Frances as a widow in 1881. I know besides Elizabeth their other children were Sarah, Frances, Mary, George, Thomas and I have found Thomas later as an adult.
Best wishes.
Janda
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Hi there
George Hunt was b. Mar 1809 in Haldenby Yks. but gives Luddington in 1851 census. He married Frances Crabtree (b. Mar 1813) on 11 June 1832 in Whitgift. Thomas John Hunt was my great grandfather. He married a Henrietta Gibson from the Howden, Yks. area, she was the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Gibson who has turned into a mystery as I haven't been able to trace her birth.
Have you Elizabeth Hunt Knipe's death date?
best wishes,
Chota
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Hi Barbara
Nice to hear from you again.
I don't have Elizabeth Knipe's (Hunt) exact date of death but can tell you it was in the March quarter of 1873 and she was 28 years old. Robert wasn't single too long afterwards as he married Betsey Howlett on 13 May 1874.
I can also give you Elizabeth's marriage details:
8 August 1864 - Parish Church, Flixborough
Robert Knipe - 26 - Bach - Labourer - Residence: Whitton - f: James Knipe, Occ: Lab
married
Elizabeth Hunt - 21 - Spin - no occ - Residence: Flixborough - f: George Hunt - Occ: Lab
Witnesses: Charles Pickersgill and James Blackbourn
Charles was Robert's future brother in law and James was his cousin.
I noticed on some earlier postings about Thomas that he was the son of Thomas and Mary but there weren't any marriages in Belton listed on the IGI. I have the Belton Parish Church of All Saints transcription booklet and I can tell you that Thomas Crabtree married Mary Saxon (of Crowle) on 5 December 1780. Later a widowed Thomas Crabtree married Anne Saunderson on 25 May 1795. So the burial in 1792 for Mary Crabtree that was given is a strong contender and the 1841 census is most likely Thomas and his second wife.
I also have the baptism book so if you would like Thomas and Mary's other children let me know.
All the best
Janda