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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: elsie ellen on Friday 24 March 06 11:06 GMT (UK)
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Greetings from Australia!
I would welcome 1841 census details for James Urne and his family who were from Middlesex. I don't have any other information to allow me to be more specific as to where in Middlesex, I'm sorry. .James would have been about 40/41 in 1841. If you came across any other URNEs it would be great to have that information as well.
Hoping someone can help me find him and his family.
Thanks
Elsie
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Hello there,
On the 1841 only one Urne comes up,spelt like that.
Dorothy URNE age 60 living in Finches? Court, Poplar Middx,she was born in the county.
HO107/ 702/9
I wonder how else they could have spelt it? ???
Carol
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Hi Elsie,
This couple came up too, but this James is 10 years too young...
HO107/661/9/12/17
Falcon Court, St. James Clerkenwell, Middlesex
James Uren, 30, Mason(?), born in county
Jane Uren, 20, born in county
I found several James Uren, but all from Cornwall - seems to be a common name there.
There are various other spellings that are possible, like Ern/Earn/Urn, or ones that are possible mistakes, like Uren/Urem/Uran.
Who are the other family members you expect to be with him?
MJP
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Hello!
Hope this might help.
The following are the names of James' family :
Mary Ann (nee James)
Elizabeth born circa 1833
Lavinia birthdate as yet unknown
Susanna born circa 1830/31
Emily born circa 1838.
All the information I have been able to obtain through BD&M records, the South Australian Biographical Index and a passenger list all use the spelling URNE. I have come across noone else in Australia with this surname. Perplexing.
Cheers
Elsie
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Hello Elsie
Still no luck with any of the censuses I'm afraid.
BUT ;D I did find a birth of a Lavinia Emma URNE in the Dec 1/4 of 1845 in Islington- any good?
Great to have an unusual name to search,but so much more chance of it being mistranscribed.....I know I have Rapkin to look for .
Regards
Carol
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OOOo Elsie
Do you know about the website www.GenesReunited.co.uk
There is someone called Rebecca searching for the very Lavinia I've just told you about.
Good luck. ;D
Carol
PS that's not you is it?
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Hi Elsie
Do you know what James occupation was as there is a possibility in the 1841 that I have found. The surname is hard to read, looks like A, or M, or H..rne.
Cazay
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Hello Carol.
Lavinia Emma Urne is the name of one of the daughters. I did not know about Genes Reunited until you mentioned it...I am not Rebecca!
I've just had a quick browse and will have to consider subscribing before I can establish contact with her. This would be fantastic...surely there can't be two Lavinia Emma Urnes!
Thank you so much for your help today, and especially for this new lead.
Cheers
Elsie
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Hello Cazay!
James occupation is noted as a Gardener on the passenger list to Australia as well as the death certificate of Jane. I do know that for a time in Australia he was also a teamster/bullocky.
He seems to have moved around a tad! I am presuming that he worked as a gardener when he was on the Island of Jersey but I have nothing concrete to substantiate that statement.
Does this information help?
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Elsie
PM me with your email address and I'd be happy to contact this Rebecca lady on your behalf.I wouldn't pass it on till you had a chance to contact her yourself.
Send me a little note of what you'd like me to say to her.
If she doesn't know anything useful it might not be worth joining GR yet ;D
All the best
Carol
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Elsie
This James is a Tailor so I don't know whether he could have changed occupations but better to give you the option.
Carol may be able to assist reading the street as I am not sure.
Ancestry have transcribed the name as Hune
H0107/681/3 F17 p29
James Hune 40 Tailor Born county no
Mary Hune 30 Born county no
Susanah Hune 10 Born county yes
Elizabeth Hune 8 Born county yes
Emily Hune 3 Born county yes
St Pancras Mdx
Cazay
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Cazay
Aren't you clever ;) I think it could easily say Urne- and the street is College Street by the way- easier to read on the second page of the image.
There is a word underneath that but couldn't say what it is though.
Hope this helps.
Carol
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Thanks Carol, always someone who can work it out. I thought perhaps the word underneath was West.
Cazay
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Hello!
I have just reread this entire correspondence again and I have to apologize for an error that I have just noticed...this James was a tailor. Another James I am researching from the same time period was the gardener. Sorry.
This leads me to think that this is the correct family. Names, ages and occupation are correct.
Thanks for your wonderful sleuthing.
Elsie
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Hi
I hope people are still around who created this thread ??? ... I have just been searching Lavinia Emma Urne when I stumbled upon this thread in a Google search and I noticed the mention of a Rebecca searching for her and her father James..... I think that may have been me unless someone else called Rebecca is searching too, what a coincidence that would be..... I was on Genes Reunited many years ago and had her listed in some of my information and the fact that I was searching for her..... My membership lapsed and on top of that I had found a bit of a nasty side to Genealogy with some people so I decided to cancel my membership at GR and just fly solo.
Elsie, I'd love to know your cnnection to James....... Lavinia Emma Urne is my Great Great Grandmother. Lavinia was born 23 October, 1845 Islington London and married Thomas Shepherd in 1869, Thomas and Lavinia's child Annie Mary Shepherd is my Great Grandmather who married Arthur Thompson, Arthur and Annie's child Leonard Thomas Thompson is my Grandfather..... There is very little information on James I have come across and if anyone has been able to add any further to him I would be most grateful to have contact with them..... What I have found about the Urne family name is that it originates in Cornwall, not sure if anyone else has information or that connection too but I'd love to chat and see if we could substantiate that information.
Cheers in Advance .... Bec :D
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Hello Bec!
Our connection to the Urne family is through Lavinia's elder sister, Elizabeth. She was my husband's gr gr Grandmother. Elizabeth married Henry Oscar GATES. Their son, Henry married Emma BROWN.
James Urne and his wife, Mary Ann JAMES, have proven to be a challenge to research. I definitely would welcome the opportunity to have a chat about this family.
With a smile
Elsie