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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Topic started by: m4uke on Thursday 23 March 06 20:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone
Looking for any information on John Ryder and Ellen Ryder (nee Forth). John was born around 1832 in Shropshire and Ellen in Portsea c1847.
They were married and lived in Portsea which i have found on the 1881 and 1891 census but I can not find the parental lineage. ???
Any information would be greatfully received.
Marcus
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There is an Ellen Ford aged 3 yrs in 1851 census- is it definitely Forth?
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Hi
Found them in the 1871 census as Rider
John Rider, head, age 37, cab driver born Shropshire Worthen?
Ellen, wife, age 23 born Hants Portsea
Annie S, dau, age 2 born Hants Portsea
Emily C Fowler, neice, age 6 born Hants Portsea
RG10 1141
folio 79 page 15
Portsea, hants
Nicky
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free BMD says Ellen Foot!
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Ignore that- it 1873! sorry.
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1861: Worthen
John Rider 31 yrs b Worthen - servant Workhouse Inn, Public House, Little Worthen
searched 1851 - none listed as born Worthen matching Ryder/Rider
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1851 has a John Ryder b about 1835 Welshpool - servant at Ford, Shropshire. There are servants there who were born Worthen so it's not too distant. There doesn't seem to be a match for this in 1861 - which may indicate he is yours.
I suppose the best thing to do now it is perhaps do a new post for 1841- Worthen maybe?
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Someone like to double check me if they have time Marcus but you may not be able to pick up the parental linage because of this info......
When tracking back to the 1861 i could only find this John with near enough birth date.
Shropshire District 6 RG9 4255
Worthen Township
Workhouse Inn ,Public House
Thomas Phillips Head M 40 Inkeeper
Mary Phillips 34 Westmeath Shropshire
Ann Tatt 15 Housemaid b Worthen salop
John Rider 31 Servant Unm b Worthen
John Griffiths 61 Lodger Cattle Dealer b UnK
Cannot find this John Rider in 1851 ::) but.......
1851 Shropshire FORD DIstrict 2 HO107/1991
William Wall Head 39 Farmer of 90 acres b Pontabury
Mary Ann Head 31 Farmers wife b Worthen
Richard Head son 14 b Ford
Elizabeth Head dau 7 b Ford
William Head son 5 b Ford
Margaret Ellen dau 2 months b Ford
Eliza Sheen 13 servant b Worthen
Emma Grice 20 servant b ''
John Ryder 16 servant b Whelshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
but cannot find this John ::)on the 1861. The nearest birth date to this John was 1842 or 1825. So like later years maybe he was either or? And maybe he parental lineage was in Wales.
Hope you found this some use . best wishes cheryle.f
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SORRY HEYWOOD :-[.....I just pressed the button as saw two new post....but hey presto we matched info so i dont feel so doubtful about my input now :D
best wishes to all Cheryle.f
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I'm glad you typed it all out- yes I agree with you and have just checked - there are Rider in Welshpool -1851 but of course it's the 1841 that Marcus needs to go for now. Welshpool/ Worthen and Ford are in a triangle and Welshpool and Worthen are 11 miles apart. Genuki says that part of the parish was in Montgomeryshire.
Hope Marcus can get some more info from all this!
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;D All i know for sure is that i would like some of whatever John had been drinking..... ;D 1861 he was 31 and 10 years later only 39 ??? Hee Hee little fibber! Have you already got the marriage info Marcus?
regards cheryle
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Hi everyone who helped....Sorry had to go out last night so only found the replies this morning.
Thats better than I have done....its fantastic....
I am going to recheck the birth date on the paperwork I have been given....but I think you probably understand my frustrations :'(
Never mind now though....I can start tracing back this info...
Thanks to all
Marcus
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Marcus,
I'm sure lots of people will tellyou- ages often varied. I don't suppose it mattered that much then about age!
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Hi Marcus.....found this last night and was thinking you already probably had....but just incase here is the daughter that shows in the 71.
Anna Sarah Ryder Portsea 2b441
July-Sep Quarter 1869
cheryle
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And i picked up too on the Ellen Foot idea in 1851 but i looked at this one and looking at the names of the mother and sister maybe it's more than coincidence.....
HO197/1659 Landport District 1tt Page 20
Green Lane
Thomas Foot Head 47 Farm Lab Portsea
Anna Foot Wife 45 ''
Sarah J Foot Dau 18 ''
Eliza V Foot Dau 14 ''
William G Foot son 12 Brickmaker ''
Anna M Foot Dau 11 Scholar ''
George Foot son 5 ''
Ellen Foot Dau 4 ''
best wishes cheryle
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Had a look through to see if the Foot name had been mistranscribed in the 51 and followed the 61,71,and still the same all through to the 81. Where yet again the daughter in this case takes their mothers name for the daughter.. This daughter married as a Foot so absolutley no mistakes here. There are no near misses even with the Forth surname and Ellen!!!!!!!
1881 Portsea District 25 RG11/1156 page 21
64 Hyde Park Road
Anna Tuck Head 41 Widow (income from the mangle) b Portsmouth
Anna Tuck Dau 5 scholar b Portsmouth
Elizabeth Tuck dau 2 b Portsmouth
Thomas Foot father 77 Widr Farm Lab b Portsmouth
Anna M Foot 1866 2b 714 Oct-Dec
Portsea Island Hampshire married John Tuck
No Ellen Forth born in 1847 Portsea that i can find but...
Ellen Foot 1847 Apr-June Quarter V7 1-2 Portsea Island hampshire. Where did you get the nee Forth info from in the beginning.
regards cheryle
PS Looks like heywood scored a direct hit earlier with the BMD info.
Ellen Foot 2b 655 1873 Jul - Sep Quarter Portsea Island
married John Ryder
so looks like in the 1871 they were not married in the census but said they were.
Thats it now :'( i'm going for a lie down ...i'm knackered ;D
enjoy ;) hope it all leads to something
best wishes cheryle
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Oh! just one more thing......
John Ryder Birth Date 1833
Died Jan - Mar Quarter 1907 age 74 11b 142 Forden Montgomeryshire Shropshire
night ;D
This is not your John as looks like he died between the 81 and 91 census's but John may turn out to have some connection with your tree as some similarities.
Looks like this could be your John....
John Ryder b about 1838
Year of Reg 1888 Jul-Sep Quarter age 50 Portsea Island 2b 276
regards cheryle
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Good evening (should say night now- nearly bedtime!)
IGI has the marriage of John Ryder 36 yrs and Ellen Foot 26 yrs (rare to have ages) 1st July 1873 (extracted from records). Could be ... do you think?
heywood
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Hi Heywood....i got looking at something for someone else and you know how it is.......i 'm glad your still on , as i would like to run this idea by you for Marcus then maybe this one can well and truly tied up! In the 1871 John and Ellen have Emily C Fowler living with them as Neice. In the 1851 for Ellen Foot her older sister is Sarah J Foot. In Portsea...
1854 Sarah Jane Foot marries John Samuel Fowles Ju-Sep quarter
2b 518a
That marriage you found has to be theirs....just too many coincidences in this whole thing not to be the right people. I think i would even make a wager on this all coming right in the end ::)
Marcus...good luck ;D
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Hi everyone
God - only went out for another evening and look whats happened.....
Got the name forth from a lot of family information...so they are obviously mistaken....getting older and more forgetful ???
Well I am going to look further at this info and get some certificates.....
Thanks for all the help and maybe I will be able to return the assistance one day.
Marcus